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Posted on 03/26/2012 1:38:33 PM PDT by NYer
Golden colored cups and the artwork you call a monstrance are not Holy...And the people drinking out of them are not the dogs of scripture...
No more so than the Ark of the Covenant.
"The account given by the Liturgy of the life of this holy Doctor is so complete that we need add nothing further. But it will be well to give a short summary of the definitions by which in the eighth and sixteenth centuries the Church has avenged the holy Images from the attacks made on them by hell. The second Council of Nicaea declares that: 'It is lawful to place in churches, in frescoes, in pictures, on vestments and the sacred vessels, on the walls of houses and in public streets, images, whether painted or mosaic or of other suitable material, representing Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, our most pure Lady, the holy Mother of God, the angels and the saints; and it is equally lawful to burn incense before them and surround them with lights' [Second Council of Nicaea, Session VII.]. 'Not that we must believe that these images have any divinity or virtue of their own,' says the Council of Trent against the Protestants, 'or that we must put our confidence in them as the pagans did in their idols. But the honour which given to the images is referred to Christ the prototype, to whom through them all our veneration is addressed, and to the saints whom we venerate in their portraits' [Council of Trent, Session XXV.]."
Speaking of propaganda and falsehoods, I'd still like to know where you get your information from.
I can't imagine those sources to be more accurate than whatever Natural Law posted.
I’ve never observed NL to post particularly valid info.
Natural law proponents usually tend to be secularists, and atheists.
I used the Bible primarily. The Revelation prophesied the papists, and The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire records the fulfillment. Professor Walter Veith also does an excellent analysis on it. The links on that have been posted her many times for those intellectually honest enough to read them.
Of course, Nicea and Trent were excellent dog and pony shows for those wishing to sidestep the second commandment (the real one, not the catholic version).
Neither of them were for true Bible believers.
So you think that Revelation says that the Catholic Church was founded by the pharisees in the Fourth Century?
If so, any particular verses?
Speaking of propaganda and falsehoods, I'd still like to know where you get your information from.
I can't imagine those sources to be more accurate than whatever Natural Law posted.
True. N-L's posts are usually quite accurate and to the point. He is not blinded by antiCatholic hatred.
Very good. Non Trinitarians are exposed as non Christians. Thank you for pointing this out. Would you be able to help us in further identifying further departures from the Christian faith as canonized by the Church?
The bride of Christ doesn’t need nicolaitan canons; it has the Holy Spirit to guide Bible study.
Of course, catholics have no more concept of how the Holy Spirit works in the real church than a blind man has of a color wheel.
Keep on thrashing; you remind me of Sambo’s tigers running around the tree until they turn into butter.
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The “he who lets” that was taken out of the way was the Roman empire, and the very first pope, rising in the aftermath of Rome was the second fulfillment of the “little horn.”
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What has led you to interpret those lines that way? Could it be a commentary by Veith?
That has been the traditional way that the Calvinists interpret it, and this time thay got one right.
The most important point in understanding Revelation lies in understanding that the book is mostly to be read literally; then everything falls into place, including the wound unto death that was healed when the popes were restored to power in the political realm.
Freedom of speech and association not your thing?
I have never heard Calvinists say that the Catholic Church was created by Pharisees in the Fourth Century.
The most important point in understanding Revelation lies in understanding that the book is mostly to be read literally
Your interpretation is not literal, or else the "little horn" would really be interpreted as being an actual little horn.
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The 2nd Amendment forbids all imagery, except that it does not. It is part of the prohibition of idolatry, which the worship of no god except the God who has no image. Except our image, which is the shape he assumed. But Christians worship an incarnate God, and hold to a paradox, that the one God is yet three, that the Great God is the same as the small. That the Word can be made flesh. That we die and yet live.
The written word needs a true interpreter. I am reminded, someone of the Star Treck episode where the primitives Kirk encounters have a sacred writing and he understands nothing.Until he looks at the document and sounds it out differently, discovering it to be in fact something familar to every American.
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