Skip to comments.Rome excommunicates four Ukrainian bishops
Posted on 03/30/2012 6:39:55 AM PDT by Gillibrand
Four bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church excommunicated
More in Spanish here- detailing some extraordinary career paths
Former monks of the Basilian Order of St. Josaphat who appointed themselves bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in 2008 have been excommunicated for disobedience
They appointed themselves bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in 2008. After trying to be recognized by the Ukrainian state as a Ukrainian Greek Catholic Orthodox Church, four former monks of the Basilian Order of St. Josaphat, a Ukrainian, Slovak and two Czechs have been excommunicated. Their relations with the Vatican deteriorated four years ago
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What the article does NOT state is how they “made” themselves bishops. Did they go to an Orthodox, Thuc-line or (carefully chosen) Old Catholic bishop for orders? If not, there is not even a pretended claim to Apostolic Succession.
These four men are real posterboys for disobedience, arrogance and large-headedness/conceit. AMAZING.
And yet they won’t discipline the pro-abort pols here in America.
“Their grievances? The “heretical views” taught by the faculties of theology, “syncretism with pagan religions,” the “presence in the episcopacy and priesthood of homosexuals and pedophiles,” especially within the Greek Catholic Church.”
I saw that too. I remembered that bishops have the authority to ordain priests to become bishops. The Orthodoxies HAVE retained their correct line of authority and thus retained THEIR union with Rome when it comes to ordaining priests and bishops that are still true priests and bishops.
If they were only priests, they did NOT have any authority to ordain themselves bishops. I didn't see anything about that. However, it's early in the morning and I might have erred.
Obvioulsy, Protestants DIDN'T keep the true/correct line of authority and thus did NOT retain its union with Rome.
I only know this because I asked the same question repeatedly on web sites and to priests..for years. I always got the same answer, so I assumed it was the correct one.
I don't assume to know what every or any bishop in America has done or said to any/every pro-abort pol in our total political scene, Catholic or not.
I don't THINK (and I might be wrong here) that any discipline would be public.
I don't assume that there HASN'T been any discipline administered.
I don't assume to know about the outcome of any said discipline. I can't believe that any pro-abort pol would even admit to being disciplined by his/her bishop. Also, would bishops of Protestant faiths discipline their flock? I don't know.
Ah me, the day of public humiliation in the STOCKS is past, isn't it? Now THERE was a public humiliation worth its salt. :o)
Did they go to an Orthodox, Thuc-line or (carefully chosen) Old Catholic bishop for orders? If not, there is not even a pretended claim to Apostolic Succession. . . . .
The thing is, this only makes a difference to Roman Catholics. While Protestants claim to be a part of the Universal Church (Catholic) their leaders were excommunicated centuries ago and according to Catholic Church doctrines have no part of the linage of the Apostolic Succession.
Protestants would say that the Roman Catholics lost their authority centuries ago from corruption.
If you believe that the Roman Catholic Church is dead, evil etc. then why would you want to claim to be a part of it the way Protestants do?
Leaders of some churches that I have spoken to say they get their authority from “The Word” and don’t need Apostolic authority. Others have told me they get their authority from “The Sprit” which has anointed them.
I feel it is impossible to judge another persons religions beliefs except by their works. If a person does evil he is probably evil. If a person does good he is probably good. In either case it is not my job to judge.
These Bishops excommunicated themselves by their actions. I suspect they don’t care. Luther didn’t care that he was excommunicated, he kept right on truckin. If their church was wrong why would they still want to be a part of it?
So many people here judge others as “Christian” or “Non-Christian”, on whether or not they claim to be a part of the Roman Catholic Church or it’s renegade off shoots.
Are these break-a-way Bishops still Catholic? Are they even still Christians. If being excommunicated makes you non-Christian then all of Protestantism is non-Christian.
I think, and I realize it isn’t important to anybody else what I think, I know that, but I think if the “bishops” think they are Christian, let them think it, it is not for me to judge.
Good Lord, just what we need. Another so-called Ukrainian Group claiming to be Orthodox!