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I Miss Women Wearing Hats and Veils in Church. A brief reminiscence of days gone by
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | april 10th, 2012 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 04/11/2012 5:08:39 PM PDT by Salvation

I Miss Women Wearing Hats and Veils in Church. A brief reminiscence of days gone by.

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

I know, I know, I am so hopelessly old fashioned. But I want to say, I miss women wearing hats. I have written before (HERE) of how I miss them wearing the veil in Church. But even before the veil, the hat was more commonly worn by women in 1940s and before (See photo  below left, of my parish taken in the early 1950s, click photo for a larger view). Veils became popular in the later 1950s and 1960s before head coverings for women (and men) all but disappeared in the late 1960s (along with just about everything elegant).

The Easter Bonnet, once a main tradition at Easter, now provokes stares of confusion when mentioned to younger people today. “Easter Bonnet?…What’s that?!” Too bad, gone with the (cultural) wind.

Frankly we have become a very informal culture and we almost never dress up any more. Jeans and a T-Shirt, even for Mass. When I was a kid in the early 1960s I would not set foot in the Church without trousers, a button down shirt, a necktie and (in the cooler months) a dress jacket). Women and girls always wore a dress and a veil or hat. Frankly too, we would not think of going to a restaurant in those years either, without dressing up a good bit.

Yeah, I know, I am hopelessly out of date and some of you feel judged. But I’m just going to say it again, I miss the fact that we almost never dress up any more, and that things like hats, jackets and ties for men, formal and pretty dresses for women, veils (or hats) in Church are gone.

In the African American Community where I have served for most of my priesthood, dressing up for Church and women wearing hats and veils, hung on a lot longer, but it too has largely subsided. I read an article in the Washington Post yesterday that largely read the funeral rites over hat wearing in the Black congregations. There’s still a few with the “ole time religion” but they are far fewer. Here are a some excerpts from the article:

For generations, church sanctuaries across the nation on Sunday mornings, especially in black churches and especially on Easter, transformed into a collage of hats: straw ones, felt ones, velvet ones, every shape, size and color, with bows, jewels and feathers, reaching for the heavens.

But anyone walking into today’s services expecting to see a nonstop parade of women making fashion statements on their heads will be sorely disappointed. Many daughters and granddaughters of the women who made bold and flashy hats synonymous with the black church have not carried on the tradition.

Anita Saunders, 42… grew up watching her mother’s generation flaunt their hats in church. “And I always loved it,” says the Indianapolis resident. “It was part of Sunday, the experience of the hats. We looked forward to seeing what hat Sister So-and-So was going to wear. My friends, we all grew up in the same church with mothers who wore hats, but we don’t. And so, yes, it seems it’s fading out.”

Elaine Saunders…is part of that generation of black women who launched hat-wearing into the stratosphere…..Their style was dignified, elegant, sometimes irreverent and even humorous, but it was always eye-catching. “You have a certain air when you put on a hat. If you put on the whole shebang and you’re satisfied, you walk different. You act different. And people treat you different,” says Saunders….

The whole shebang would be a hat that matches the suit that matches the shoes that match the bag….

Mother and daughter not only wore hats and gloves to church but also donned them for shopping trips downtown. “If you were dressed up, they thought you were somebody important, so you’d get waited on,” Saunders said.

“I guess as I got older, around my teens, I started flirting around with different hairstyles,” said Sylvia Magby, 58, “I started cutting my hair, and I just never found a hat that fit my head.” Her youngest sister, Anita…won’t go near a hat (except the emergency baseball cap for bad hair days). She was much younger when she first rebelled against them. “I was maybe 6, and I was very concerned that the hat would disturb my bangs, and I wanted nothing to do with it,” she recalls.

Many women say, “I have hats from my mother and other relatives, but I don’t wear them,” or “Hats don’t look good on me,” [But] as Saunders sees it, “there will be a set of women who will wear hats forever.”…there, in all its splendor,  that poof of fuchsia and iridescent feathers, … for all the world to see.

Read the Full Article Here: Church Ladies and their Hats, A Fading Tradition

Some will doubtless say, “Well look, it sounds like it was more about pride and getting seen, than worshiping God.” Others will doubtless remark that the Scriptures envision a woman covering her head before God as a way of covering her glory (i.e. her hair) and thus being humble before God. OK fine, but I’d just like to add that there is also something wonderful about the dignity of dressing really well to go to God’s house, something classy, something fitting. And again I’ll just say, I miss it, and always appreciate when I see it.

We men too have let things drop often marching into Church with sandals, jeans and a t-shirt. I regret too that we so seldom wear suits or hats anymore. Priests still wear the suit, but a fine cassock is hard to find and there is a lot of sloppy and poorly set forth liturgical vestments and altar cloths. Finer things are few and far between.

A small boast form your host, I have worn a fedora in the cooler months since my 20s. Not only do I think it looks good, but it is also does a great job keeping the cold away. I am amazed at what a difference a simple hat can make. Think about it men, a good hat can be classy and warm.

And ladies, I don’t DARE tell you what to do, but let me just say it again, I MISS the veils and hats. Yes, a real touch of class. Uh oh, now the comments are open.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; culture; current; feminism; hats; hatsandveils; msgrcharlespope; tradition; veils; women
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To: Salvation

Yeah well I miss men being men. Three years ago when my son was a newborn I sat cross legged on the floor and fed him during Christmas eve mass. This year I did the same with my daughter. We attend mass every week yet have no place to sit during Christmas and Easter masses. I have yet to be offered a seat by an able bodied male.


51 posted on 04/11/2012 7:06:42 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Salvation
wears a veil in church and she says if affords her privacy as she is praying. No distractions.

Tuning out your small children is a major strategic error. Even your spouse may get up to who-knows-what atrocities while you're recollected!

Wearing a veil - or my hat with the big red rose on the back - will have to wait for my Retirement Years, I'm afraid.

52 posted on 04/11/2012 7:08:06 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; Craftmore

“Habib” means “beloved.” Its use responding to a post about JFK made me snicker a little, but the feminine is “habiba” and the plural “habibi.”

“Habib” really calls to mind one Barack Hussein Obama ...


53 posted on 04/11/2012 7:12:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Salvation

I adore hats! There is nowhere to buy them locally where I live. Any good online shops?


54 posted on 04/11/2012 7:15:09 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Newt Gingrich 2012 - The Man With a Plan)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; Craftmore

I think Craftmore meant hijab.


55 posted on 04/11/2012 7:22:53 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Lilyjuslan

At my parish in Havana, some of the women wore tube tops and very short shorts to Mass.


56 posted on 04/11/2012 7:31:57 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Marie Antoinette

If you look up mantillas you will find some in colors.

I found a wonderful white wide brimmed hat at a local Oregon store. Keep looking.


57 posted on 04/11/2012 7:36:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ottbmare

Where I live (in the Southwest) it is very unusual for men to wear a tie to Sunday Mass, even in middle class areas. Our suburban parish sanctuary holds about 1000 people and on a good day you’ll see a dozen ties. They really stand out here.
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I’ve often thought that the fear of looking holier than thou in Church as somewhat overblown—most people are much too self-absorbed to give much thought to how others are coming across (I admit this may be a bigger problem in smaller parishes. All of the parishes I’ve belonged to have been on the large size).


58 posted on 04/11/2012 7:36:36 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: redhead
I remember the good old days when women and girls had hats for winter and hats for summer

I remember when young men knew enough to take off their hats when coming inside. They now even sit at the dinner table (not MY dinner table) wearing their baseball hats.

59 posted on 04/11/2012 7:37:39 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Tax-chick

You’re right. Someohow I managed five, though with a hat on.


60 posted on 04/11/2012 7:37:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ladyjane

**I remember when young men knew enough to take off their hats when coming inside. **

This bugs me, especially when the men continue wearing a stocking cap in church.

At the dinner table, I think I would politely ask them to remove their hat and then be seated. But I’m old fashioned.


61 posted on 04/11/2012 8:19:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

My mother had a beautiful mantilla (a Spanish style lace veil) she always wore that. She wasn’t really into hats, but her mother, my grandmother was. My grandmother had actually been a milliner when she came here from Ireland.

I bet grandma was a good one too, because she would take any little left-over remnant if she made a dress (they made a lot of their own clothes) and hem it out into a little scarf. And then she’d just wrap that around her beautiful snow white hair and stick a big old hat pin through it and she looked as as smart as could be.

I also remember us gals putting little Kleenex on our heads if you wanted to go into a church and you hadn’t planned to be there. I remember doing this with tourists to NYC.

And then I turned 7 and it was all over.

And I have yet to recover from that in any meaningful way.

So, wow, you post touched off a lot of thoughts!


62 posted on 04/11/2012 8:20:19 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Salvation
At the dinner table, I think I would politely ask them to remove their hat and then be seated.

They wouldn't get past the door in my house much less near any dinner table. No manners, no welcome.

63 posted on 04/11/2012 8:23:41 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Chode

“i guess gloves are something not seen in three or four generations then...”

I also remember my mother wearing gloves. When we were little, this would be the early 1960s, every time we went out anywhere we would be looking even 1/2 way nice she’d wear gloves. Not to do errands, I guess, but most other stuff.

And the weird thing was, she wouldn’t wear both gloves, she’d just wear one and carry the other. Even with 3 little kids to deal with!

Well, even I wouldn’t want to be bothered with stuff like that every day. I just gotta say that on this thread.

Church is one thing and yes, in general I’d like to dress up more and restore more formality to more occasions, a big one with me is Thanksgiving. I always try and dress pretty nicely on that day and then I got to whoever’s house and everyone is there is sweats. I don’t judge, but I’m not wearing sweats either.

But I also don’t want to wear gloves for no purpose and not even wear both of them every day!


64 posted on 04/11/2012 8:29:41 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307
yup, i'm 57 and like you said my Mom wore gloves and a hat whenever we we went out looking 1/2 dressed up or better and always to Church

it was a different time for sure

65 posted on 04/11/2012 8:36:59 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; Salvation

“Answer: JFK.”

I just really get into these fashion threads. I wish my grandma was still alive, she would LOVE FR!

I watched some docu-something on the Kennedys once, don’t ask me why but I guess it was pretty even-handed or I would have turned it off.

The thing that stuck with me was the difference in dress between JFK’s funeral and RFK’s funeral. Tragically they only died, what 5 years apart? And, admittedly JFK was the President and had a much more formal funeral. And it wasn’t like the family at RFK’s funeral was dressed in any inappropriate way.

But just to see the images it was like these 2 men had died 20 or more years apart.

And it spoke volumes about how much upheaval our society went through in the 60s, I thought.

And not for the good, I also thought.


66 posted on 04/11/2012 8:39:30 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

If you look at the way people dressed 500 to 100 years ago they took much more pride in it than people today. The more I read about the 1960s the more I realize just how much upheaval was occurring socially, politically, economically, religiously and in many other ways at that time.

I used to know this guy that sold formal, dress up uniforms for the military and emergency services. During the 1970s it was the worst time to try and sell this type of clothing because no one cared how they dressed. Since that time his business has improved significantly.


67 posted on 04/11/2012 8:51:40 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Lilyjuslan
Heck! I miss women wearing dresses to church. These days many of them show up in jeans.

I see both men and women, not all young either, wearing jeans to MASS. How rude and disrespectful.
The Jewish tradition of nice vestments set the tone -- the nice vestments and clothes show respect to our Lord, as do the nice books, chalices and so on.
What do those jeans-wearing slobs not understand about showing respect to our Lord AT MASS?!

68 posted on 04/11/2012 8:56:41 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“The more I read about the 1960s the more I realize just how much upheaval was occurring socially, politically, economically, religiously and in many other ways at that time.”

We went to a memorial service for my husband’s cousin a couple of years ago, an elderly woman who was probably in her early 80s when she died.

There were many family photos but one in particular was a classic.

It was this lady’s 4 children all dressed up for Easter Sunday, one of those familiar Kodak snapshots on the front lawn of their Long Island home, with just “Easter, 1966” as the caption.

I earnestly wanted to take that snap and put it in a museum with the added caption: Apres ce, le deluge. (after this, the deluge - forgive my french if it is bad!)

But you know I think things are on the verge now. If we don’t sink down into the abyss they are going to get better.

Roe v. Wade may turn out to be the greatest trick progressivism ever played on itself. Because I do think more conservatives had more children than that vast swath of 60s leftists did.

But, you know, we’ve got to keep FREEDOM. If we let our gov’t turn us into serfs it’s going to be the gosh-darn abyss for sure!


69 posted on 04/11/2012 9:12:53 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Salvation

God bless her. I remember when women would wear a small kerchief on their heads during Mass.


70 posted on 04/11/2012 9:15:47 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I also remember that. :-) We didn’t dare not cover our heads in church. And I’m only talking about the early 70’s when I was a young girl. By then, many other changes were already in the works.


71 posted on 04/11/2012 9:19:04 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Scarlet7
I live near a church in believe it or not the liberal state of New Jersey where most of the women wear veils and dresses. Though it is not my parish church I sometimes attend wearing my veil.

See post #9. I live in NJ, too, and I live near a church that requires head coverings. I guess people in other states would be surprised to know how traditional some of the churches are around here.

72 posted on 04/11/2012 9:27:00 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: goodwithagun

I noticed the same at our church two Sundays ago. A mother with two young children stood along the side, and not one man offered his seat. I just returned to the church several months ago after an absence of many years, and I was surprised to see that happen. At the time I thought: If my sons and I had been seated ourselves - we were standing, too - I would’ve told them to stand up and offer her their seat.


73 posted on 04/11/2012 9:44:04 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Salvation

Went to 9AM Mass on Easter Sunday and one lady out of about 200 attendees wore an Easter Bonnet. Same caught my eye as it was an old tradition to wear bonnets in my time as a Catholic many years ago. I commented this to my wife(remembering how she,her sisters and my sisters wore the most beautiful hats at Easter)and we both reminisced about it.


74 posted on 04/11/2012 10:03:51 PM PDT by zbogwan2
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To: Lilyjuslan

Maybe I’m old-fashioned (or just crazy) but I think a woman should wear pantyhose with dresses and skirts ,especially to church or synagogue. I do because it looks better.


75 posted on 04/11/2012 10:34:55 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: Salvation
Speaking of head coverings,I wish more of the men in my synagogue would wear a yarmulke,or kippah.
76 posted on 04/11/2012 10:37:01 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
I thought that Jewish men (or indeed any man entering a synagogue) HAD to wear a yarmulke or any head-covering, right?

Here in Warsaw to enter the synagogue or the Cmentarz Żydowski (Jewish cemetary) you need to wear a yarmulke or get one..

77 posted on 04/11/2012 11:19:05 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Last Sunday in my parish here in CA a young lady entered in a sleeveless dress and one of the senior ladies walked up to her and placed a shawl around her shoulders. The look on the young lady’s face was priceless. Its an awesome thing when the elder ladies of a parish take charge of the young ones and set them straight.

I grew up protestant and as a young man i didnt dare walk into services without a button down shirt and a tie on. Now its flipflops and shorts... Sigh.

Oh well, I’m happy I’m Eastern Orthodox now.


78 posted on 04/11/2012 11:25:10 PM PDT by arielguard (Fasting without prayer is vainglory.)
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To: Cronos

I don’t attend an Orthodox synagogue so the men aren’t required to.

I actually do,as a reminder of G-d above. I like the symbolism.

I actually feel naked without it.


79 posted on 04/11/2012 11:27:54 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: Cronos

How do you pronounce those Polish words?

Is it a difficult language?


80 posted on 04/11/2012 11:30:19 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: Salvation

It shows respect for Our Lord in the Eucharist. I don’t
think He has changed on women covering their heads. It’s
a falling away, MO.

And one thing, less vanity, you don’t have to worry about
hair spray and a “do”, whether your hair looks nice.

It’s kinda tough to wear a mantilla to a Novus Ordo Mass
but you can wear a pretty scarf or one of those little
French hats, I forget their name.


81 posted on 04/11/2012 11:48:08 PM PDT by stpio
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To: Salvation

“It’s kinda tough to wear a mantilla to a Novus Ordo Mass
but you can wear a pretty scarf or one of those little
French hats, I forget their name.”

~ ~ ~

I am thinking of a beanie. I have a mantilla and one
straw hat and some scarves. Our dog chewed on my black beanie.

There is a messenger from Australia. Have you heard of
her? Her name is Valentina. She has received some brief
messages or maybe it is one, on how to act at Holy Mass and about ladies covering their heads.

I’ll look for the message to share....


82 posted on 04/11/2012 11:58:30 PM PDT by stpio
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To: Salvation; All

Salvation and ALL,

AMEN! We should do nothing to disturb someone’s worship.
In the Bible there are many practices OT and NT of prayer and worship that people can follow. This is their choice, as long as they are not physically harming anyone.
If this woman is just praying??

Well then, pray and PRAISE THE LORD!! AMEN!!

Just giving my “ thought” ( always GOD inspired) as asked.
But, hey, let’s see what the WORD says on these occassions:

ROMANS 14:1-22

1 Give a welcome to anyone whose faith is not strong, but do not get into arguments about doubtful points.

2 One person may have faith enough to eat any kind of food; another, less strong, will eat only vegetables.

3 Those who feel free to eat freely are not to condemn those who are unwilling to eat freely; nor must the person who does not eat freely pass judgement on the one who does — because God has welcomed him.

4 And who are you, to sit in judgement over somebody else’s servant? Whether he deserves to be upheld or to fall is for his own master to decide; and he shall be upheld, for the Lord has power to uphold him.

5 One person thinks that some days are holier than others, and another thinks them all equal. Let each of them be fully convinced in his own mind.

6 The one who makes special observance of a particular day observes it in honour of the Lord. So the one who eats freely, eats in honour of the Lord, making his thanksgiving to God; and the one who does not, abstains from eating in honour of the Lord and makes his thanksgiving to God.

7 For none of us lives for himself and none of us dies for himself;

8 while we are alive, we are living for the Lord, and when we die, we die for the Lord: and so, alive or dead, we belong to the Lord.

9 It was for this purpose that Christ both died and came to life again: so that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.

10 Why, then, does one of you make himself judge over his brother, and why does another among you despise his brother? All of us will have to stand in front of the judgement-seat of God:

11 as scripture says: By my own life says the Lord, every knee shall bow before me, every tongue shall give glory to God.

12 It is to God, then, that each of us will have to give an account of himself.

13 Let us each stop passing judgement, therefore, on one another and decide instead that none of us will place obstacles in any brother’s way, or anything that can bring him down.

14 I am sure, and quite convinced in the Lord Jesus, that no food is unclean in itself; it is only if someone classifies any kind of food as unclean, then for him it is unclean.

15 And indeed, if through any kind of food you are causing offence to a brother, then you are no longer being guided by love. You are not to let the food that you eat cause the ruin of anyone for whom Christ died.

16 A privilege of yours must not be allowed to give rise to harmful talk;

17 for it is not eating and drinking that make the kingdom of God, but the saving justice, the peace and the joy brought by the Holy Spirit.

18 It is the person who serves Christ in these things that will be approved by God and respected by everyone.

19 So then, let us be always seeking the ways which lead to peace and the ways in which we can support one another.

20 Do not wreck God’s work for the sake of food. Certainly all foods are clean; but all the same, any kind can be evil for someone to whom it is an offence to eat it.

21 It is best to abstain from eating any meat, or drinking any wine, or from any other activity which might cause a brother to fall away, or to be scandalised, or to weaken.

22 Within yourself, before God, hold on to what you already believe. Blessed is the person whose principles do not condemn his practice.

DEUTERONOMY 22:12
12 ‘You must make tassels for the four corners of the cloak in which you wrap yourself.

1 CORINTHIANS 11:1-13

1 Take me as your pattern, just as I take Christ for mine.

2 I congratulate you for remembering me so consistently and for maintaining the traditions exactly as I passed them on to you.

3 But I should like you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

4 For any man to pray or to prophesy with his head covered shows disrespect for his head.

5 And for a woman to pray or prophesy with her head uncovered shows disrespect for her head; it is exactly the same as if she had her hair shaved off.

6 Indeed, if a woman does go without a veil, she should have her hair cut off too; but if it is a shameful thing for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, then she should wear a veil.

7 But for a man it is not right to have his head covered, since he is the image of God and reflects God’s glory; but woman is the reflection of man’s glory.

8 For man did not come from woman; no, woman came from man;

9 nor was man created for the sake of woman, but woman for the sake of man:

10 and this is why it is right for a woman to wear on her head a sign of the authority over her, because of the angels.

11 However, in the Lord, though woman is nothing without man, man is nothing without woman;

12 and though woman came from man, so does every man come from a woman, and everything comes from God.

13 Decide for yourselves: does it seem fitting that a woman should pray to God without a veil?

PRAISE JESUS,

Jesus4life


83 posted on 04/12/2012 12:44:42 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

‘I don’t attend an Orthodox synagogue so the men aren’t required to.” —> ok, I did not know that. I learn something new each day :)


84 posted on 04/12/2012 12:55:44 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
yup, it is difficult! I've lived here nearly 2 years now and have been going for classes for 1.5 years and I'm about able to carry out a moderate difficult conversation.

if you only know English, Polish is insanely difficult (I had the advantage of having learnt a few other languages before) as there are numerous things different in the language: cases, genders, declinations etc.

However, in pronunciation, once you learn how to pronounce, it is simpler than English as the letter or combination of letters is always pronounced the same

C is always pronounced as "ts"
rz is always pronounced as "sh" as in pleasure
ż is always pronounced as "sh" -- kind of similar to the "rz"
y is always pronounced as "ih"
w is always prounced as "v" in English
i is always pronounced as "ee"

So transliterating it is TsementAsh ShedoVskee

The emphasis is always on the penultimate syllable.

It's quite worth learning Polish, even as at a basic level from www.supermemo.pl etc. as I think it's good to know something of a few languages...

85 posted on 04/12/2012 1:02:02 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

I’ve heard it said that English is one of the hardest languages to learn,if not THE hardest.

No wonder! You hear people say “Don’t got no”,”Ain’t got no”, “Where is it at?”,etc.

People trying to learn our language are going to be confused!


86 posted on 04/12/2012 1:12:44 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
well, I attended a crash Polish language course with Erasmus students two years ago and these were folks from ll over Europe and also from Korea, Japan, China, india, bolivia, ethiopia etc. etc.

to them, english is the easiest to pick up as the basic rules are simple. however, to master English (to converse at a P.G. Wodehouse level) takes a lot of effort -- and most people who speak English as a native tongue never reach that level either!

87 posted on 04/12/2012 1:35:53 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Salvation

Some people are just more competent parents than I am ... I admit it.


88 posted on 04/12/2012 5:55:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Salvation

Indeed, most (not all) of the ladies at my parish’s TLM are covered. Most choose veils, and from what I understand, the online chapel veil business is booming. Even a short perusal through eBay will offer a bumper crop of new and vintage veils, from the doilies right on through giant Spanish mantillas.

This doesn’t even count the direct online businesses that sell veils. In addition to eBay and a Catholic goods store, I’ve purchased mine from both an importer of flamenco dance supplies AND an Orthodox Jewish headcovering business.

Regards,


89 posted on 04/12/2012 6:04:13 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I visit family every Easter in Raleigh and stayed all summer last year. Their Catholic church is so packed, that in the summer it is SRO and during Easter etc. they have to have Mass in the Chapel, the gym, an auditorium AND outside-all at the SAME time. Last Easter Sunday, we sat in the entryway of the Church with about 40 or so others and received Communion out there as well.

All of the women and girls were dressed to the nines, most of the men were too-there were a few with shorts and jeans, but that is rare....it is so amazing to me the size of this parish campus! And they are expanding because they have to-obviously.

While I only saw a few adult women with Easter bonnets, just about every little girl was wearing one. It was so nice to see; it was how I remember Church to be years ago....I really do miss it!


90 posted on 04/12/2012 7:48:03 AM PDT by CT Hillbilly (Thoughts=Words=Actions=Destiny)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I visit family every Easter in Raleigh and stayed all summer last year. Their Catholic church is so packed, that in the summer it is SRO and during Easter etc. they have to have Mass in the Chapel, the gym, an auditorium AND outside-all at the SAME time. Last Easter Sunday, we sat in the entryway of the Church with about 40 or so others and received Communion out there as well.

All of the women and girls were dressed to the nines, most of the men were too-there were a few with shorts and jeans, but that is rare....it is so amazing to me the size of this parish campus! And they are expanding because they have to-obviously.

While I only saw a few adult women with Easter bonnets, just about every little girl was wearing one. It was so nice to see; it was how I remember Church to be years ago....I really do miss it!


91 posted on 04/12/2012 7:51:52 AM PDT by CT Hillbilly (Thoughts=Words=Actions=Destiny)
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92 posted on 04/12/2012 8:03:46 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.
Custody of the eyes
93 posted on 04/12/2012 8:10:02 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

No copy. Say again.


94 posted on 04/12/2012 8:16:38 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Salvation

Jesus wanted people to attend, rich and poor alike.


95 posted on 04/12/2012 8:29:14 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Snopes apparently won't allow hot linking.

See:

http://www.snopes.com/history/graphics/jfk2.jpg

http://www.snopes.com/history/graphics/jfk7.jpg

JFK hat inauguration

96 posted on 04/12/2012 8:33:39 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: CodeToad

Any mention of slobs?


97 posted on 04/12/2012 8:37:53 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“Slob” is the slippery slope to snobbery. Faith is all that matters; not riches, hats, ties, or any other worldly item, not even a bath.


98 posted on 04/12/2012 8:57:19 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Salvation; murron; Tax-chick; ladyjane; netmilsmom; ottbmare; Persevero; Tamar1973; ...
A woman in her early to mid 20's wore a light yellow dress to last weekends Easter mass. It was made out of blouse material-very lightweight. The kicker was she was wearing a white thong underneath and the dress was so see through you could see the lace on the edges of the thong. Yes, no slip or any underclothes other than the thong. You should have seen people looking. The Eucharist minister after he gave her communion did a double take when she was walking away. I don;t know if she knew how see through it was but I expect she did as her BF was with her.

People dress like slobs in my church-shorts, jeans, sweat pants and most of the younger girls wear tight hip hugger jeans or those tight and short body hugging dresses.

I wear a suit and tie 5 days per week on my job and refuse to wear one at church. It's crammed down our necks at work-clothes have to be a certain color, style, ties have to be a certain pattern etc. I dress in Dockers/golf shirt or a button down when going to church. I did wear a tie on Sunday.

I have told people if I kick the bucket I want to be in the clothes I wear at the gym-one of my favorites places to be in life. T-shirt, gym pants and tennis shoes.

99 posted on 04/12/2012 9:21:42 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: CodeToad
Faith is all that matters

Incorrect as Scripture repeatedly teaches.

100 posted on 04/12/2012 9:40:48 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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