Michael Savage Is Wrong About The Bible

For Freedom – Galatians 5:1 ^ | April 18, 2012 | Michael D. Day

[fishtank]

“I think Michael Savage is right about the existence of the edicts in the OT.”

Those OT “edicts” were TEMPORARY, not permanent.

The Koranic call to Jihad is ongoing.

[fishtank]

Your explanation might pass in a college-level comparative religions course taught by a liberal, but Jesus Christ and Mohammed were two different people.

That is crucial.

(Yes, pun intended.)

[fishtank]

"Yahweh who is an angry god."

Your comparative religions course might know Campbell, but it doesn't know Yahweh.

[NELSON111]

I like a lot of what Savage has to say...but I’ve heard enough to come to the conclusion that his theology is not Christian. He may call himself Christian, I don’t know. However, calling oneself a Christian doesn’t make it so. There are enough examples around to prove that point.

[fishtank]

“One had the European culture overlaid on it and the other has the Arab culture overlaid on it.”

WHOA!

WHOA!

WHOA!

WHAT built classic “European culture”?

It was Jesus Christ teaching Europe through the Bible!!!

WHAT built classic “Arab culture”???

It was Mohammed teaching Arabia through the KORAN!!!

Jesus REDEEMED European culture.

Mohammed further DEGRADED Arabic culture.

[RobbyS]

Through your lens, maybe. For the Christian, the Bible is to be looked at as a whole revelation , as a man’s life must be. The true image of God is Jesus Christ. Mohammed fastened on the image of God as understood by desert Jews, and he was himself a man of the desert. Like the old Sadducees, he accepted the Torah alone. Even the pharisees with whom Jesus clashed, went far beyond this understanding. The teachings of Jesus about God did not spring from the void, but are anticipated in the wisdom books—many of which btw are not in the Protestant Bible. I invite you to read Sirach.

[onedoug]

Swell thread. Thanks for posting.

If you’re not a Dennis Prager fan, you should be.

[Fiji Hill]

Savage gave the maximum allowable contribution to Jerry Brown—and Brown was running against a conservative Republican. Sorry, but I prefer real conservatives like Mark Levin.

[chuckles]

...."We do NOT worship the same god!".....

This is the most important fact and needs to be emphasized. If you study the 12th Imam that is supposed to come from the bowels of the earth because the Muslims have caused so much chaos and murder, versus Jesus, Who comes down from Heaven to crush the Beast, it become clear to me that Islam worships the Beast and no God. There are several mentions in the Bible about The Trinity, and a big contention with Islam is the difference with their Allah. If you believe Jesus was the Fleshly representation of God on Earth, then you can never square that with the Islamic teaching that Jesus wasn't the Son of God, He isn't the pathway to Heaven, and the Statement that "I and the Father are One" are blasphemy. Revelations talks of a beast coming from the Earth and Christians are taught he is a liar and murderer. Muslims believe this will be their savior. Muslims worship Satan, if you believe them and the Bible. They freely admit if they cause enough chaos and murder, Allah will come and rule on Earth. If Jews are God's chosen people, and Muslims want them dead, what proof do you need that they are not of God?

There are many examples in the Bible that prove Allah is not the God of the Bible. To keep pretending that we all worship the same God is impossible. Either the Bible is true or the Koran is true. It can't be both.

[rockabyebaby]

The “nation” may be interested in this thread!

[MEGoody]

Savage is a border line lunatic (and I'm being kind). His position on God, the scriptures and so forth vacillates from day to day.

Frankly, I'm glad our local talk radio station took him off their schedule. He was on during my evening drive, and I usually ended up changing the station or putting in a CD.

[WXRGina]

I like a lot of what Savage has to say...but I’ve heard enough to come to the conclusion that his theology is not Christian. He may call himself Christian, I don’t know. However, calling oneself a Christian doesn’t make it so. There are enough examples around to prove that point.

Dr. Savage is Jewish, and he does not call himself a Christian. He does not recognize Jesus as Messiah.

[JimWayne]

You are mistaken because Philippines and Mexico are Christian nations but they are not European in character. Culture is more than religion. It includes the attitudes and traditions of the people as well.

[JimWayne]

Jesus REDEEMED European culture. Mohammed further DEGRADED Arabic culture.

Until the Protestant Reformation, Christianity meant the Catholic church and it did not exactly distinguish itself. Crusades were like Jihads. Let us not confuse today's situation with the entire history of Christianity.

[JimWayne]

Those OT “edicts” were TEMPORARY, not permanent. The Koranic call to Jihad is ongoing.

Whether they are temporary or permanent depends on the people who decide to implement them. Many of the edicts are identical since they come from the same source. If you take the Bible in a literal sense, you have to consider the edicts permanent. 500 years ago, the Catholic church behaved in pretty much the same way the Muslims behave today.

If you observe the behavior of the people of different races who share either a neighborhood or the workplace, you will see that race and language play a much larger role than religion. Bosnian Muslims will gravitate towards other Europeans and hang out with them and not with Arab Muslims. In a foreign land, black Muslims from the US feel at home with white Christians from the US despite the rants of Louis Farrakhan. In a similar situation Filipino Christians gravitate towards Malaysian Muslims if the only other people are European Christians.

Michael Savage understands this point very well when he talks of Borders, Language, Culture.

[nonsporting]

In chapter three, page 63, addressing “Christian terrorism”, he points out that the Koran instructs, “smite an infidel and put a knife to his neck”, adding, “If you look at the Old Testament of the Bible, it has similar edicts.”

This kind of moral equivalence we have seen spewn from the left. I don't listen to Savage, so I do not know what his political leanings are.

If such language existed in the Bible, Savage should supply it. But I suspect he is sloppily equating God's command to the Children of Israel to take the promised land with radical Islamic "Terrorism." The Jews were commanded to kill (almost without exception) every living thing--humans and animals. God is just. The Jews failed to do as God commanded and allowed evil to remain in their midst and it turned their hearts from God, evetually leading God to abandon Israel (the curse part of "the blessing and the curse" -- Deut 29:18-28).

There are no such commands from God to "conquer the land" today with force of arms. The seed of promise (Jesus Christ) has come. And we are charged with preaching the gospel to all nations. Our battle is not with flesh and blood:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12)

And this is how we are to be "armed":

Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all taking the the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the firey darts of the wicket. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God. Ephesians 6:14-17)

Parallels with Islam? No way. However, the natural man is blind. So, I am not surprised Savage doesn't see it.

[dynachrome]

Thanks for the ping, Rock. Interesting take. Old v. New Testament perhaps?

[dynachrome]

typo of “Trickle Down Poverty”

I think I heard Doc S. do this himself on his show, haha.

[WXRGina]

typo of “Trickle Down Poverty” I think I heard Doc S. do this himself on his show, haha.

HA, yes, I think I have heard Dr. Savage do that, too. Mr. Mike Day, who wrote this column, didn't catch the mistake (nor did I when I posted it here), but we all knew what he meant. Really good piece Mr. Day wrote.

[James C. Bennett]

3. In the OT, Israel (among other nations) acted as the instrument of God's judgement. Not one sin was committed by the Israelites carrying out God's commands, even when they slew women and children (see 1 and 2 above). Rather they sinned when they were disobedient and allowed the objects of judgement to live.

LOL, easy to say that, but not for the children, infants or animals slain under "divine" authority in 1 Samuel 15:3, for instance. Can animals sin? What did the children do to deserve genocide? By your means of "justification" of such primitive barbarism, even Muslims can claim their Allah to be a just god, whatever that must mean.

It takes extraordinarily stupendous levels of cognitive dissonance to equate that OT god with the protagonist of the NT, when "slay the infants and children, spare no ass! (1 Samuel 15:3)" has to be squared with "turn the other cheek."

The Trial of God.

And then you have things in the OT mirrored in the Quran such as capturing and keeping women as spoils of war, and so on and so forth, all vile filth that no sane human can justify as moral or necessary.