Posted on 04/22/2012 11:23:32 AM PDT by NYer
-—The queen is queen by virtue of her being married to the king not by being his mother.——
Yes.
The Queen Mother is different from the Queen.
Agreed?
The queen is married to the king. The queen mother is the king’s mother.
When Bathsheba was married to King David, she was the queen.
When Solomon was king, Bathsheba, as his mother, was the queen mother.
When Bathsheba was queen, she bowed to David. When she was queen mother, David bowed to her, and she sat at his right hand.
As queen mother, Bathsheba enjoyed a more exalted position than she did as queen.
Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, and not His wife, she would be the Queen Mother of the King of the eternal House of David, Jesus.
Ah. Theres your problem. Please understand that the Bible uses to pray meaning to ask earnestly.
Lamentations 1:18 "Hear, I pray you, all people, and behold my sorrow... Micah 3:1I "He said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel... Genesis 50:17 So shall you say to Joseph, Forgive, I pray you now, the trespass of your brothers... Numbers 16:26 "And he spake unto the congregation, saying, Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men... |
Now you can see that, Biblically, prayer does not mean worship. It only implies adoration when it is directed to God.
There is only One God. We all know that.
Sorry dude. Just as Nitzevet was never queen having never been married to a King even though she was king Davids mother neither is Mary queen.
-—Just as Nitzevet was never queen having never been married to a King even though she was king Davids mother neither is Mary queen.-—
No, Mary is the queen MOTHER.
Not the queen.
The queen MOTHER. The MOTHER of the king.
Not the wife of the king, the MOTHER of the king.
The MOTHER of the king is called the QUEEN MOTHER.
Since Mary is the MOTHER of the King of the eternal House of David, she is the Queen MOTHER of the King of the eternal House of David.
King Solomon bowed to Bathsheba when she was Queen MOTHER, and she sat at the king’s right hand.
When Bathsheba was QUEEN, she bowed to King David.
Solomon may have been the first king of Israel to grant his mother a high place in the administration of his kingdom, which he inherited from his father David. If so, it would be fitting, since Bathsheba was the wife of the king. But according to Judaic tradition, David’s mother accompanied him to his coronation and stayed close ever after to strengthen and counsel him in the face of his enemies and in turbulent times. Anyway, God never chastised Solomon for having placed a throne for his mother next to his and starting an institution that would last for many generations in the kingdom of Judah. Having inherited the throne from his father David, Solomon had the divine right to do so as king, now that God had granted Israel’s desire to have their own king like their neighbours. Saul was anointed king in God’s name by Samuel. I don’t think God was offended by this institution.
In the Bible the name of each Queen Mother of the house of David is given in the introduction of the reign of each king of Judah: 1 Kings 14:21; 15:9-10; 22:42; 2 Kings 12:2; 14:2; 15:2; 15:33; 18:2; 21:2; 21:19; 22:1; 23:31; 23:36; 24:8; 24:18, for instance. Meanwhile, none of Solomon’s wives enjoyed the prerogatives of the Gebirah in his kingdom, the role of counselor and intercessor to the king being the chief ones. The wives - unlike Mary - had only the “job” of bearing and raising children, notably sons who would become eligible to assume the throne and succeed their father. The Queen Mother was the most important woman in the kingdom of Judah and exercised the greatest influence over her son the king. This institution was not practiced in the northern kingdom of Israel which was ruled by nine ruling houses or dynasties. But it was out of Judah that the Messiah would come to the world. It would appear that God willed and even inspired Solomon to place a throne for his mother next to his in anticipation of Mary’s Divine Maternity and universal role of Queen Mother in the kingdom of heaven
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=461499&highlight=Prayer+to+Mary&page=10
I too, find myself coming here and posting here less and less. This thread is a perfect example of why. If I were to go back two months, six months, a year, five years, a decade, I would find the same objections, the same flawed exegesis and the same baseless accusations about the Church and her teachings.
I do love to read things such as this by Carl Olsen, whom I consider to be a great gift to lay Catholics, but I have no desire to get into the same go round over and over.
Sometimes I find a new angle, a new thought and I am willing to explore it with the poster as long as they remain respectful, but for the most part, it has become a waste of time and energy.
If one confines one’s visit to the OP, ignoring the contrariness of the responses, there is much to edify and elevate one’s faith.
Nonsense. The makers of Royal Crown Cola want people to think that their product is a tasty beverage.
More nonsense. RCC Consultants want people to think that their expertise in telecommunications consulting and engineering is the best in the business.
Everybody knows that Rappahannock Community College wants folks to gain expertise in Nursing, Business Management, Emergency Medicine and Electronics Technology.
Piffle.
Riverside City College has the best marching tigers in the area.
Exactly so. It was common in kingdoms not only of the Middle East, but in Europe as well. Look at the honour given to Queen Elizabeth's mother, for instance. She was always treated with the utmost respect, as much as or more than Queen Elizabeth and far more than Jug Ear Charlie.
And let us never forget the stellar record of the Retail Council of Canada and their tireless work to bring down consumer prices and make life more affordable for everyone.
David and Solomon were not appointed by God? Really?
>> “What a bizarre repudiation of the Communion of Saints” <<
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Not a part of Christianity. Our communication is with the Father.
You refer to occultic spirituality, seances, and such. All forbidden.
>> “but I could easily be wrong.” <<
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As of course you always are; what’s new?
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>> Please understand that the Bible uses to pray meaning to ask earnestly. <<
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But we are not permitted to even attempt to ask anything of the dead. We are to ask all things of the Father only.
You wrote:
“The saints sleep. Paul made that very clear.”
Nope.
” When we die, we sleep until the rapture (first resurrection).”
Nope. When we die, we are judged. We’re not asleep.
“Anyone that you pray to you worship.”
Nope. Learn English. To pray means to ask.
“Christ gave no one the power to conjur up the dead.”
We don’t “conjure up” anyone.
“Christs office is redeemer and priest, and he shares those with no one. (you can be glad of that, imagine hanging on the cross!)”
False. Christ’s three principle offices are of priest, prophet and king. He shares all three with us through baptism. Since this is orthodox theology I would not expect you to know it. Even many Protestants know this, Christopher A. Hutchinson writes about it in a little online article called, “The Gospel Displayed in the Office of Deacon” and he’s apparently PCA.
“The word is Christian, not anti-catholic. Catholics are anti-christian, or just plain numb.”
So, then PCA members are anti-Christian too? See how quickly your bad theories apparently made up out of thin air collapse?
“Again, the saints sleep;”
Nope. Jesus says they are alive with God. Jesus is right. You’re not.
“they are not consious until they are changed, as Paul stated in his epistle to the Thessalonians.”
That’s not what he says. Even Protestants generally don’t hold your view: http://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/22/22-4/22-4-pp345-349_JETS.pdf
You wrote:
“No, the wife of a king is the queen. The only time his mother is also queen is if his father was king before him.”
She’s still a queen.
“The only reference to the queen of heaven in scripture is pagan. The only women who were designated queen in scripture were if their husband was king.”
So, what do you call a woman who is overshadowed by the Holy Spirit?
http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/charts/Institution%20of%20the%20Gebirah.htm
“God the Father calls Israel His wife and Jesus bride is the church. The idea of the queen of heaven concept is a human construct of pagans and Catholics.”
Nope. You have failed - as always - to even remotely make a case for that. You’ll continue to fail too. Same old, same old.
>> “Nope. When we die, we are judged. Were not asleep.” <<
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John 5:
[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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I guess Jesus forgot to check with you; shame, huh?
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