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Inventing Muhammad? (Which of the many accounts of the Prophet Muhammad's life is true?)
American Thinker ^ | 04/23/2012 | By Robert Spencer

Posted on 04/23/2012 4:17:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Why would it matter if Muhammad never existed? Certainly the accepted story of Islam's origins is taken for granted as historically accurate; while many don't accept Muhammad's claim to have been a prophet, few doubt that there was a man named Muhammad who in the early seventh century began to claim that he was receiving messages from Allah through the angel Gabriel.

Many who hear about my new book "Did Muhammad Exist? An Inquiry Into Islam's Obscure Origins" ask why it would matter whether or not Muhammad existed -- after all, a billion Muslims believe he did, and they are not going to stop doing so because of some historical investigations. Yet the numerous indications that the standard account of Muhammad's life is more legend than fact actually have considerable implications for the contemporary political scene.

These are just a few of the weaknesses in the traditional account of Muhammad's life and the early days of Islam:

* No record of Muhammad's reported death in 632 appears until more than a century after that date.

* The early accounts written by the people the Arabs conquered never mention Islam, Muhammad, or the Qur'an.

* They call the conquerors "Ishmaelites," "Saracens," "Muhajirun," and "Hagarians," but never "Muslims."

* The Arab conquerors, in their coins and inscriptions, don't mention Islam or the Qur'an for the first six decades of their conquests. Mentions of "Muhammad" are non-specific and on at least two occasions are accompanied by a cross. The word can be used not only as a proper name, but also as an honorific.

* The Qur'an, even by the canonical Muslim account, was not distributed in its present form until the 650s.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: History; Islam; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; islam; koran; mohammad; mohammed; muhammad; quran; robertspencer; spencer
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To: seekthetruth
I've silenced a few lib friends with this:

http://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings

This is one of those not so easily dismissed "peer reviewed studies" that exposes the mussie's horrific treatment of women. Phyllis Chesler is a former Femi-Nazi who was married to a mussie, lived in his native land and managed to escape. Let's just say that the experience helped get her mind right. She has written extensively on David Horowitz's sites.

21 posted on 05/01/2012 4:53:39 PM PDT by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.
"Yep - Satan really did create a new religion through a crazed pedophile named Mohammed."

My tagline applauds...

22 posted on 05/01/2012 5:01:29 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: LUV W; Marse; Marthon; martifr77; marviec; Mask316; MASS-2 FAC; Master of None; Matt Fisher; ...
Thank you LUV W.

I will ping more Freepers here in hopes they will help us spread the truth. My post #13 is an action report since my sweetheart and I were there. And like I said, we saw it all.

Please note what is posted on all the liberal sites as it will more than likely not be the truth. The truth does not fit in their agenda.

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are warriors of the truth. God Bless them for being on the front lines like our hero, Andrew Breitbart.

23 posted on 05/01/2012 6:21:33 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth

You and your “sweetheart” are heroes, too...for going into the lion’s den and for publishing what you found out! It’s people like you who change the world. :)....for the better!


24 posted on 05/01/2012 6:40:44 PM PDT by LUV W (This space reserved for heroes)
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To: seekthetruth
Pam Geller is the best,she not only talks the talk but walks the walk as well.

To continue to equate Islam as a religion on the same level as Catholicism,Judaism or Protestantism is crazy. Islam and those believing in sharia law are noting more than brainwashed pawns.

25 posted on 05/01/2012 6:41:16 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: humblegunner

LOL just toooo good!!


26 posted on 05/01/2012 6:43:50 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: seekthetruth

Great job being there seekthetruth.Thanks for all you do.


27 posted on 05/01/2012 6:45:39 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: rodguy911

And there’s one on the Supreme Court.


28 posted on 05/01/2012 7:06:36 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you got ta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: Deb

Robert Spencer is trying to earn a fatwa.


29 posted on 05/01/2012 8:25:42 PM PDT by Misterioso ( There's no one worse than a lapsed Objectivist. -- Eddie Willers)
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To: Free in Texas; Knightsofswing; TMSuchman; Elendil; Mid-MI Student; Lunar; JedHozz; Flashlight; ...
Thanks for posting that link. Also for helping to spread the truth.

Pinging more Freepers here and hope they visit your link and mine in post #13.

We all will carry on Andrew's goal of spreading truth! The truth the MSM will not report!

30 posted on 05/01/2012 8:30:44 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: rodguy911; LeprechaunAngst; Captiva; Molly Pitcher; RoboMike; tigger51385; IDEAL; thingumbob; ...

Folks who really want to learn the truth can also find more in the following wonderful books:

“Stop The Islamization Of America” by Pamela Geller

“Did Muhammad Exist?” by Robert Spencer


31 posted on 05/01/2012 8:40:49 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth

Thanks for the ping


32 posted on 05/02/2012 4:10:26 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: seekthetruth; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks seekthetruth.

Looks like the Lycurgus Effect -- Lycurgus probably never existed, and was (at least in large part) concocted after the fact in the ancient fascist city-state of Sparta.

But there are plenty of biographical details about the big 'Mo -- he murdered the Jews of Arabia, he was a pedophile and plagiarist -- that suggest an actual cult leader. That the cult didn't become stylized and have a fixed canon isn't unlike other mass movements.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


33 posted on 05/02/2012 4:54:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, boy!!!

The search for the “historical Muhammed” is on.

Good luck to them in debunking this lie of Satan, and may God keep them safe from his retribution.


34 posted on 05/02/2012 5:54:22 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: seekthetruth

We just finished The Challenge of Islam in our adult Bible class. I think this is the correct to the DVD. Even moo ham ed said the Bible is accurate.

http://www.familychristianmovies.com/apologetics-creation-1/challenge-of-islam.html


35 posted on 05/02/2012 5:55:07 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Elle Bee

You know, I don’t buy into the “Obama is the anti-Christ” thingee.

But wouldn’t you agree that he is doing his best to channel him?


36 posted on 05/02/2012 5:56:40 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Pontiac; divine_moment_of_facts; geekWithA.45; silentmajority37; mobacho; bytheBook; small voice; ..
You are welcome! Noticed your tag line and it is so very true!

Pinging more Freepers here.

We must all fight on in any way we can to bring the truth to those who will listen. The enemy among us is real, and I believe the support the enemy receives from this Administration will continue.

We must make November 6th the day we save America!

37 posted on 05/02/2012 6:34:23 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: chesley

Obama is not the Anti-Christ but he is the Anti-Colonial President. I am reading Dinesh D’Souza’s book “The Roots of Obama’s Rage (finally!) and it is a true eye opener. You can interpret Obama’s words and speech with a clear vision of what is motivating him. Highly recommended. Obama is a very dangerous man and the reason the founders called for a Natural Born Citizen to be President, to avoid divided loyalties. Obama channels his father even though he never really knew him. Freighting.


38 posted on 05/02/2012 7:06:50 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: SeekAndFind
Why else would the muslims embrace those stories?

In order to justify their own lives as they were living them, perhaps? Why do modern activist homosexuals in a Christian milieu get so vehement in their denial of certain passages in the Bible, or of the bible or Christianity as a whole?

39 posted on 05/02/2012 7:30:07 AM PDT by arthurus ( Read Henry hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson")
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To: SeekAndFind

When I look at Islam and how that religion advanced through history I see exactly what L Ron Hubbard was trying to do with Scientology.

There is not a doubt in my mind that both Mohammad and Hubbard were attempting the exact same thing, building a cult around themselves for money, power and influence. What guy back in the 7th century didn’t want what he had? Women to be used and abused at any time a man wanted, guilt free murder of anyone who didn’t believe what you did, etc.

Same thing that Hubbard was after now. Idiots paying his “church” (and himself) mega millions with a cult like following, slowly letting it snowball into the mainstream as an alternative to established religions.

Nothing would have made that man happier than knowing when he died that in a thousand years people would still be speaking of him as a prophet and hoping that Cthulhu remains in his volcano.


40 posted on 05/02/2012 7:34:54 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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