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Female Episcopal Priest Visits a Mormon Temple
The Mormon Dialogue ^ | April 23,,2012 | Danielle Tumminio

Posted on 04/24/2012 1:28:27 PM PDT by Jeff Head

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To: Jeff Head
Like I said, He will be my Judge. And I am content and etermnally grateful for that because I know He knows my heart.

Were you to die, have you done 'all that you could do' to earn that grace Jeff? Have you removed ALL uncleanliness from your life so that you can be allowed that grace? Do you continue to sin? Then why haven't you repented Jeff? You hang your judgement based upon your works. God called works of righteousness 'filthy rags' (menstrual cloths) Jeff. Pretty shaky ground.

As a result, I will continue doing what I know to be right, and seek and bring as many souls closer to Him as I possibly can.

Know or really really hope is true.

God’s speed to you as you seek to do the same.

Which mormon god are you invoking here Jeff?

151 posted on 04/25/2012 1:53:07 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: greyfoxx39
Are you aware of the LDS Hospital, or the LDS Children's Hospital?

These two hospitals were originally owned and operated by the Church directly for many years. But, in 1975, the LDS Church created an independent, nonprofit corporation, Intermountain Healthcare, into which all the church's hospital holdings were transferred, and from which and through which they are operated today.

The church, through Intermountain HealthCare, does take part in large scale hospital efforts, with numerours hospitals, and also does involve itself in smaller out reach programs.

They did not have a specific outreach program in Houston generally or specifically for MD Anderson and so I was grateful that the Lord guided us to the fine folks at the Faith House.

Please, it is unbecoming to belittle or somehow try and condemn the Church's efforts in this regard. They are doing much good and are trying and expand that good as time goes on. Clearly, so do many other churches and faiths, for the which, as I say, I am extremely grateful.

152 posted on 04/25/2012 2:17:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Godzilla

Godzilla, I am sorry you are so prone to judge and so anxious to somehow “catch me in my words,” or whatever it is you are trying to do..

Chrsit took care of my sins with His atonement and I have repented (as He commanded us to) and come unto Him and accepted His atonement and great gift in my life. I am not perfect...but will be perfected through Him.

As an imperfect human, I still do wrong things...we all do...but His atonement is sufficient for me and I do as He commanded and take the sacrement in rememberance of Him each week and the convenant I made with Him when I accepted His atonement and great gift in my life.

As I have said many times to you now on this thread...I am content to let Him judge me accordingly...and look forward to that day, whenever it shall come in His time.

And with that...I believe I will now go about lurking and surfing the site and web for other threads and topics of interest, where I may feel inclined to become involved with...or not...as the case may be.

Again, God’s speed to you, and I pray we can all come together and turn our nation around...back to its fundamental moral and Republican principled foundation and roots, so we, our kids, and our grandkids can continue to enjoy the great bleesings of liberty that we have been so graciously blessed with in our Republic.


153 posted on 04/25/2012 2:26:32 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Instead of a personal appearance of the Lord of the Universe, have you considered that maybe Jesus Christ has placed me, as an active member of His Restored Church in your presence to open your eyes?

Good, let's hear the evidence. My Jesus Christ did not have to have His Church restored.

In answer to your other question, "Could the Holy Ghost give those two answerrs?" Yes, I believe He is perfectly capable of it

Really? So the Holy Spirit would commission me to try to lure people out of Mormonism and commission you to lure people into it? Is this not the logical fallacy of being A and not A simultaneously? How do you reconcile this with Jesus' words in Matthew 12:25 about a house divided against itself?

If we each sincerely seek Him and follow Him according to the sincere dictates of our own conscience and faith in His Son Jesus Christ, He will lead us aright and to all truth...in His time.

Except, of course, those Christians whom Jesus told "depart from me, I never knew you." You're not going to suggest that Jesus didn't mean that, are you?

the evidence of that conversion will also be written with His image in our countenance and how we deal with, love, and witness too His children, and live our life.

The goats were saying the same in Matthew 7:22 - "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" Counterfeits are convincing only if they look like the real thing.

once again, God's speed and blessing to you.

Right back at you.

154 posted on 04/25/2012 2:47:12 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: cva66snipe
There is nothing unchristian about a church having it's own marriage policies.

True. Being un-christian is what MORMONism IS; wedding policies or not.

155 posted on 04/25/2012 2:52:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cva66snipe
I have known and interacted with many Mormons in my lifetime from school teachers to my cousin who married into the church after being raised Baptist.

So; would they affirm or repudiate the quotes from MORMON leaders shown in reply #67??

156 posted on 04/25/2012 2:54:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
Still waiting...

So Jeff; do you agree with or do you repudiate the quotes from MORMON leaders in reply #67?

157 posted on 04/25/2012 2:55:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
A such some times you make some very wide ranging and generalized statements, IMHO.

While I make very direct ones: quite easy to answer.

158 posted on 04/25/2012 2:57:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Godzilla
Your witness is countered by far more witnesses to the contrary Jeff, and you would be dishonest to deny it.

And foolish to ignore it.

159 posted on 04/25/2012 2:58:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
Chrsit took care of my sins with His atonement and I have repented (as He commanded us to) and come unto Him and accepted His atonement and great gift in my life.

Jeff, which Christ would that be? Jesus of Nazareth who was God's perfect Passover Lamb or Jesus, the brother of Lucifer? A false Christ will give you a false salvation.

160 posted on 04/25/2012 2:59:06 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: Jeff Head
As a result, I will continue doing what I know to be right, and seek and bring as many souls closer to Him as I possibly can.

Say something MORMON!

161 posted on 04/25/2012 2:59:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
...nonetheless represents the honest thoughts and feelings of this well known Evangelical:

So true; but still incorrect.

162 posted on 04/25/2012 3:00:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head

There is a very simple way to know which has been placed: the god you believe in and serve was, according to the cult to which you’ve plighted your troth, once only a cr4eated man and had to earn the attributes of godhood. THAT contradicts what The God of the Bible said of Himself. So we can concluded that you are an apostate or just an antichrist shill for whom we have been praying earnestly to no avail, for you have chosen to spit in God’s face by running with this cult which claims to have made you a high priest in the order to which there will NEVER be another because The Great High Priest arose from the grave and is in the Heavenly Holy of Holies while you pretend to be a melchizedek high priest. May God have mercy upon you hereafter.


163 posted on 04/25/2012 3:00:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: CommerceComet
WE sure ain't MORMON!!



164 posted on 04/25/2012 3:02:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head

Ignore was NOT on the list of options; only repudiate or affirm.


165 posted on 04/25/2012 3:03:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: CommerceComet
Is this not the logical fallacy of being A and not A simultaneously?

Welcome to the world of MORMONism; where one can hold a multitude of conflicting ideas in your head!




 
 


Welcome to MORMONism 101

 

While we are waiting to start; enjoy the artwork on our walls.

If some of it seems shifty to you, just look at it real closely

 and it will stop moving, but another location will then start to crawl on you.

Do NOT think our DOCTRINE is this way!

 


 

 

166 posted on 04/25/2012 3:05:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
I want to sat a last thing to you, Jeff. You claim you are content to have Jesus Christ judge your heart. Okay. Let's make an assumption that Jesus will find you truly believe in Him and Jesus snatches you into Heaven.

IF what we have spent so many hours studying and posting for people like you regarding MormonISM is coorect and you are indeed ina religion which mocks God and denegrates Jesus, what does that say about the poor souls you have been responsible for leading into Mormonism and away from God?

Do you think God is double minded, that He will grant to you salvation regardless of how many you lead astray from Christ by promoting this religion which mocks he God of the Bible?

Jeff, there is a very remote possibility that the contradictions to the Bible, to what God has said of Himself and His plan of Salvation, that these Mormonic contradictions are somehow integratable into the greater truth, but you are literally betting your eternal destiny on that extremely remote possibility, and if you are honest, yo have seen the contradictory things pointed out to you so many times. Literally, your damnation may be in your own hands as you reject Truth in order to serve the great lie that is Mormonism from a peepstone conman sexual predator of married women. Joseph Smith is in Hell. Don't go there ...

167 posted on 04/25/2012 3:10:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: svcw
"fruits" - referrers to false prophets, such as Joseph Smith. Watch, who lds give glory to - Joseph Smith for restoring something or other

I know to whom the LDS I know give the Glory too which is GOD and our Savior Jesus Christ. Yet for some {self appointed judges of them} that simply is not enough? What would be the difference in saying Joseph Smith said go by this or that or The Pope saying go by this or that? Both are/were human beings. Yet say I think the Pope is wrong on this or that issue and watch out the same with questioning some Protestants leaders as well. It's human nature.

168 posted on 04/25/2012 3:13:55 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
It would appear, my FRiend, that you know very little truth about the religion known as MormonISM to claim the following: "I know to whom the LDS I know give the Glory too which is GOD and our Savior Jesus Christ."

The god of MormonISM, the god of whom the Mormon founders teach still through their Jornal of Discourses and several 'extr-biblical' sources was once a man like you or me. Is that the god to whom you refer for these poor souls worshipping after Joseph Smith's fabricated religion?

Here's something borrowed from Freeper William Clark, illustrating how one can have faith in 'a' Christ but not The True Savior Christ:

"I always like to use the analogy of Jim Caviezel [In Mel Gibson's 'The Passion of The Christ']. Like the Mormon Jesus, he dressed the part, spoke the same words (in the original language, no less), and was referred to as Jesus Christ within a specific context, but it makes all the difference in the world whether one worships and depends upon him for their salvation or the genuine article."

Just to avoid contention, are Christians ordered to be just fine with the following LDS blasphemies and heretical teaching from Mormonism which are antithetical to Christianity?

169 posted on 04/25/2012 3:20:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

I appreciate your concern...but I also know in whom I trust and in whom I teach others to trust. That will all be a part of Christ’s judgement, in the which, as I have said, I am comfortable.

Anyone, who’s heart is sincere, and who loves and gives themselves to Jesus Christ and His salvation, and seeks to share it with others, will ultimately be led by Him to the full truth.

I of course believe and am convicted that that truth is His restored church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You and others here are clearly not so convicted.

As I have said, that is fine.

If we are all sincere in our heartfelt love for and acceptance of Jesus Christ, He will straighten it all out while bringing all of us to Him...the God and Savior I worship is MIGHTY TO SAVE...and He has the power to do so justly, lovingly, and compassionately for all of those who call Him Lord and Savior and have adopted Him as such in their hearts and souls.

Gotta run.


170 posted on 04/25/2012 3:23:15 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: cva66snipe

God bless you good brother. May he multiply the blessings you confer back to you ten fold and more.

Semper Fidelis, Semper Paratus!


171 posted on 04/25/2012 3:26:18 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844)

I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

"Again, they will try to tell how the divinity of Jesus is joined to his humanity, and exhaust all their mental faculties, and wind up with this profound language, as describing the soul of man, "it is an immaterial substance!" What a learned idea! Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation. I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." [ LDS Prophet Bingham Young, JoD 1:50-51 April 9, 1852]

Given this mormonic teaching that is the very essence of Antichrist, it is still amazing how much LDS inc apologists want folks to believe LDS inc is Christianity restored! MormonISM is the very essence of slick anti-Christ inveigling, and the promoters of this anti-Christian religion will continue to be exposed and opposed so long as Christians are not squelched by the political correctness approach inherent in the lie that exposing mormonISM is hate or hatred of the people trapped in this demonic cult.

172 posted on 04/25/2012 3:29:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: cva66snipe

The Bible says “fruits” refers to false prophets.

Joseph Smith the founder of mormonism said: created god, created jesus, jesus brother of satan, jesus was not sufficient for salvation (lds have to work for it), that he was greater than jesus, that all Christians where an abomination and whores of Babylon, that he would sit with jesus and decide who gets to heaven......

Dismiss if you wish what the Bible and Joseph Smith say.

lds use the same words as Christians, those words have very different meanings.


173 posted on 04/25/2012 3:29:31 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Jeff Head
I would appreciate a straight answer, for that is the only way Truth can sink into your own mind, Jeff. ... Are you saved YET? Is your salvation REAL, now, or is it awaiting a final judgment of your behavior while in the flesh?

Please, don't spin the two questions to avoid answering, for it is your mortal soul which is in the balance hanging by a tenuous thread.

When Abraham told the accompanying servants that they should wait at the foot of the mountain while he and his son Isaac ascended to make the offering, Abraham said WE will return to you after it is finished. Abraham had no reservations about God's Promises to him, no 'we will see if God will keep His promises based upon how I perform this oh so difficult sacrifice.' Abraham believed God, and it was counted for him righteousness.

If you do not believe you are NOW saved because of your trust in Christ, you are not believing God. Teaching that unbelief system as is the foundation of MormonISM, that 'you better live up to the gift' mormonic teaching is an insult to the Great High Priest, the ONLY MELCHIZEDEK High Priest since He arose from the Grave.

When you lure souls into the belief that one must earn their salvation, you are contradicting what God says about His promises. Snaring souls in such a satanic lie does not serve The Lord Christ. I think you know whom it serves ...

174 posted on 04/25/2012 3:41:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Jeff Head; CommerceComet; Godzilla; svcw; P-Marlowe
Instead of a personal appearance of the Lord of the Universe, have you considered that maybe Jesus Christ has placed me, as an active member of His Restored Church in your presence to open your eyes?

Please provide Biblical proof that there was a need for a "restoration" of God's church. That's another of the statements that is pure mormon propaganda and has no Biblical basis, on a par with this lie..."This greater priesthood was given to Adam and has been on the earth whenever the Lord has revealed His gospel. It was taken from the earth during the Great Apostasy, but it was restored in 1829, when the Apostles Peter, James, and John conferred it upon Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery."

From LDS.org

There is no objective proof that ANY of these declarations of mormon doctrine are anything but fiction on a grand scale.

175 posted on 04/25/2012 3:49:30 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I do not expect the (FR) house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided-Jim Robinson)
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To: Jeff Head
What other facilities can you describe other than the two LDS Hospitals?

The Salvation Army and Samitaritan's Purse both provide much more to the needy that does the mormon corporation.

176 posted on 04/25/2012 3:51:22 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I do not expect the (FR) house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided-Jim Robinson)
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To: Elsie
When Obama says he’d like a hot dog; he MEANS it!

: )

177 posted on 04/25/2012 4:09:43 PM PDT by dragonblustar (PETA. President Eating Tasty Animals)
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To: Jeff Head
I am not 'catching' your words - don't need to. Just pointing out your inconsistencies with mormon doctrine. For example -

. . . . I have repented (as He commanded us to)

Really - you no longer sin and sinning is no longer part of your life. YOUR mormon doctrine says otherwise Jeff -

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 58:43: “By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins—behold, he will confess them and forsake them.”

You tell us you still sin Jeff - then according to mormon doctrine listed above you haven't repented. Were you aware of this from you 42 years of mormonism? Further -

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 25:15: “Keep my commandments continually, and a crown of righteousness thou shalt receive. And except thou do this, where I am you cannot come.”

In that you say you are sinful, you apparently do not keep the commandments continually.

What you are stating is in opposition to mormon doctrine Jeff. Some could even say you are being deceptive by covering up these doctrines.

I do as He commanded and take the sacrement in rememberance of Him each week

Are you 'repenting' every week too - further evidence you haven't repented according to the mormon doctrines. Since you have to renew you covenants on at least a weekly basis - doesn't that make you a covenant breaker?

Joseph Smith said: “Repentance is a thing that cannot be trifled with every day. Daily transgression and daily repentance is not that which is pleasing in the sight of God.” —Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 148

“Discontinuance of the sin must be permanent....the former transgressor must have reached a ‘point of no return’ to sin wherein there is not merely a renunciation but also a deep abhorrence of the sin — where the sin becomes most distasteful to him and where the desire or urge to sin is cleared out of his life.” — The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 176, 354-355

I can say right now I would be in the presence of heavenly father when I die - if you honestly and truthfully follow mormon doctrine you can't.

178 posted on 04/25/2012 4:11:49 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: cva66snipe
I know to whom the LDS I know give the Glory too which is GOD and our Savior Jesus Christ.

Oh??

It appears that a lot of BIG SHOTs in the MORMON religion want to SHARE that glory:

 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224


179 posted on 04/25/2012 4:17:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cva66snipe

Office of First President & Living Prophet

November 1st, 2011

The message for this month is -

...to stay on our mantra: We ARE Christians!!

We've been taking a beating on the Internet - especially from those hateful ANTIs on FreeRepublic!
 
We MUST keep the media constantly informed of those things the world considers christian.

We must NOT allow our MORMONness to show thru, as it has gotten a really bad rap thru history - lord only knows why...
 
 
Tommy

180 posted on 04/25/2012 4:18:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cva66snipe
What would be the difference in saying Joseph Smith said go by this or that or The Pope saying go by this or that?

HMMmm...


4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

181 posted on 04/25/2012 4:19:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cva66snipe
 



 
"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."
(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)
 
 
 
Reinforced here......
 

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."
 

 
Don't criticize?

 
 
 
 
And here:
 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
 
 
 
 


Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said    WHATEVER    but that's NOT the same as criticizing!


 
( Remember fellow Christians:  the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )



182 posted on 04/25/2012 4:20:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
I appreciate your concern...but I also know in whom I trust and in whom I teach others to trust.



In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

183 posted on 04/25/2012 4:21:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
Gotta run.

I see you have chosen IGNORE yet again.

184 posted on 04/25/2012 4:22:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39
Please provide Biblical proof that...

Heck; I'll settle for ANY proof!

185 posted on 04/25/2012 4:23:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
First of all let me ask you something. Whom is called the Sons of GOD in the Old Testament and who is called the Son of Man? There is a theological difference of opinion of the issue of Genesis ch6 v 4.

As well what is the difference between GOD and god? What do you conceive heaven to be? Do you see it as where we do nothing but go around playing harps? Or will we have assigned positions which can even mean having some authority in heaven? The Bible hints toward having a place a position perhaps a task we are to do in heaven. We know some hold positions of power like The Twenty Four Elders and like Abraham whom was petitioned by a man who's soul was in torment.

In short we really honest to goodness don't know. Are the mansions in The Fathers House planets? Who knows? We really don't know for certain.

We are created in GOD's image. Define His image. Who has seen it and lived too tell about it? Are were created solely in the spiritual image or both the spiritual and physical image with the imperfections placed upon mankind when sin entered the world in Eden?

I've seen you arguments made about Smith made about the Pope as far as salvation through Christ and our deeds. Personally I lean toward salvation solely through Jesus Christ by GOD's Grace.

There are many, many, things we mortals with carnal minds can not comprehend including the events which happened before the earth was formed. We tend to put everything into a context we can understand or are familiar with like father and son or mother and daughter.

We understand physical relation in being mother and father etc but how accurate is our spiritual concept of such? Faith a belief in Jesus Christ for salvation can move mountains and can overcome mans shortcomings in theology as it can sin.

In the mean time there are some churches professing to be Christian even using Christ name in their church name but are wishing to silence the very mention of His name in public and they are not LDS.

The LDS have a very strong and organized missionary program. They come closer to spreading the Gospel and giving service to others than a lot of main stream churches do. Perhaps it is a jealousy of them and their works?

186 posted on 04/25/2012 5:01:35 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: MHGinTN

Reply 186 for you as well.


187 posted on 04/25/2012 5:05:52 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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People go to hell of their own free will.

Grace because of Jesus Christ gave us the only way.

jesus one way Pictures, Images and Photos

188 posted on 04/25/2012 5:08:40 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Jeff Head
"Christ took care of my sins with His atonement and I have repented (as He commanded us to) and come unto Him and accepted His atonement and great gift in my life. I am not perfect...but will be perfected through Him. As an imperfect human, I still do wrong things...we all do...but His atonement is sufficient for me and I do as He commanded and take the sacrement in rememberance of Him each week and the convenant I made with Him when I accepted His atonement and great gift in my life. As I have said many times to you now on this thread...I am content to let Him judge me accordingly...and look forward to that day, whenever it shall come in His time."

Jeff, in this post, you refer to Christ, but I wonder which Christ you are referring to?

Are you referring to the Biblical Christ, the eternal Son of God, neither created, nor made, but eternally God - the SAME God as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, the Triune God - the creator of heaven and earth, the One God who provided the Gospel of Grace that provides salvation for all humans who are unworthy?

- OR -

Are you referring to the mormonic Christ, a created spirit being, who later became one of 4 Mormon Earth Gods: Heavenly Father, The Mormon Jesus, The Holy Ghost, and Heavenly Mother, and one of thousands or perhaps millions of mormon gods spread throughout the galaxies?

These two Christs have nothing in common except the their name. Which are you referring to in your post?

189 posted on 04/25/2012 5:10:24 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: cva66snipe

I would like to thank your for your defense of the blaspheming mormonism, at least you are trying.
You want to be in the camp of degrading and mocking Jesus Christ of the Bible that is your free will choice.
lds do not spread the “Gospel” they spread Joseph Smith’s bastardization of his version of God Almighty’s Word.
Jesus Christ’s Grace is simple, it is offered freely.


190 posted on 04/25/2012 5:14:05 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Elsie
Hum you mean like submitting to a church earthly figurehead say a Pope or a Priest being like Christ to whom we must confess our sins too, or even the communion being the very presence of Christ rather than an act of solemn "remembrance" as Christ asked? I was taught where two or more are gathered in His name there He is also. No bread or wine needed for Him to be there.

Go ahead and search every church doctrine and Dogma in the world wishing too find errors and flaws. You won't be disappointed. Kinda like a few persons sitting on AMEN PEW just waiting for the preacher to innocently misspeak so it can be made a scandal and destroy him.

191 posted on 04/25/2012 5:14:08 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: MHGinTN; Jeff Head
MHGinTN, you wrote, "I would appreciate a straight answer, for that is the only way Truth can sink into your own mind, Jeff."

I've observed to Jeff publicly that his posts appear carefully crafted to sound Christian, while I can only suppose, avoiding answering the full truth of what mormonism teaches (and what he presumably believes), in order (apparently) to hide the truth. I see no other explanation and have received carefully crafted responses every time I have followed up with him.

If by a wild tear in the space time continuum, Jeff provides "a straight answer", please ping me. I'd love to see one.

I have asked him two simple and clear questions on this thread, which are yet to be answered...

Thanks, AMPU

192 posted on 04/25/2012 5:17:08 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: svcw
The Bible says “fruits” refers to false prophets.

No it isn't. It refers too both good and evil and the difference between the two fruits. It refers to what the individuals deeds produce and it can mean good or evil. If good comes of the workers labor and the works are good {done to the Glory of GOD} it is good fruit and good fruit comes forth from them. If the worker does evil the resulting fruit will be evil. Christ described it plainly.

Matthew ch 7 15“Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep, but are really wolves that will tear you apart. 16You can detect them by the way they act, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit. You don’t pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles. 17A healthy tree produces good fruit, and an unhealthy tree produces bad fruit. 18A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20Yes, the way to identify a tree or a person is by the kind of fruit that is produced.

193 posted on 04/25/2012 5:25:30 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Jeff Head
God bless you good brother. May he multiply the blessings you confer back to you ten fold and more. Semper Fidelis, Semper Paratus!

GOD Bless you and your family. And indeed evidence shows He has done just that :>}

194 posted on 04/25/2012 5:27:53 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
The following is one of the blasphemous stealth teachings hallmarking mormonISM:

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

And here are seven references from The Bible which show this mormonic teaching to be the anti-Christian/spirit of anti-christ:

Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Given this mormonic teaching that is the very essence of Antichrist, it is still amazing how much you LDS inc apologists want folks to believe LDS inc is Christianity restored!

195 posted on 04/25/2012 5:29:12 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: cva66snipe

Yet, you defend mormonism.
Be my guest, it is your free will choice.


196 posted on 04/25/2012 5:29:55 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw
I would like to thank your for your defense of the blaspheming mormonism, at least you are trying. You want to be in the camp of degrading and mocking Jesus Christ of the Bible that is your free will choice. lds do not spread the “Gospel” they spread Joseph Smith’s bastardization of his version of God Almighty’s Word. Jesus Christ’s Grace is simple, it is offered freely.

You don't get it. I don't have to agree with a church's dogma to treat another person who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior as a brother or sister in Christ. I've also been known to defend Catholics and The Pope will that too earn me condemnation to hell? I look at it like I do the churches up in my neck of the woods who take the last few verses of Mark literally. Do I believe their faith is strong? Yes. Are they going to hell for picking up snakes? No. Will it get them into heaven any faster than someone who doesn't do so? No. Do we need to do so simply to prove our faith? IMO No. They think a person needs too but that is their belief. I'll stay out in the car or better yet not stop in thank you. I'm scared of snakes not snake handlers :>}

197 posted on 04/25/2012 5:39:08 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: MHGinTN

Oh I get it. You must then also mean all those who teach we must go through a final purging after death in order to be cleansed by Christ Blood are also going to hell as well? I don’t think so.


198 posted on 04/25/2012 5:45:32 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

No, apparently you do not get it.

When lds say jesus they mean: a created being
When lds say god they mean: a man who became a god
When lds say salvation they mean: working with no assurance, no cross but garden, Joseph Smith is involved, jesus is not sufficient

You can go right ahead and defend the blasphemy of mormonism that is your free will choice.

I know mormonism and it is not what the PR machine wants you to think.

mormoism can not be my brother and sister in the Biblical Christ, as my Savior is not the brother of satan, for them he is.


199 posted on 04/25/2012 5:48:40 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw
Yet, you defend mormonism.

I disagree with a lot of different churches doctrines and see a lot of unnecessary in many of them. That doesn't mean I think they are going to hell. Nor should I treat such with bitter contempt either. It is not a persons church which determines their salvation. It is their own individual heart toward Christ and GOD.

If a persons tells me they believe Jesus Christ is the Son Of God Lord and Savior that suffices for me unless I then see them cheating on their wife, etc. BTW I've seen that in plenty of the accepted by society churches. One was a Charismatic I worked with. He wasted no time preaching to me. Nor did he waste not an opportunity to cheat on his wife. I am talking about individuals here.

200 posted on 04/25/2012 5:56:39 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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