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Bishop Morlino Warns Dissenters to Stop or Else
Wisconsin State Journal ^ | 4/29/12 | Doug Erickson

Posted on 04/29/2012 12:40:51 PM PDT by marshmallow

Madison Catholic Bishop Robert Morlino has moved to quell a backlash against a group of conservative priests in Platteville by warning parishioners they risk formal church censure unless they stop spreading "rumors and gossip."

The action by Morlino, which two Catholic scholars called highly unusual, appears to include the possibility of offenders being prohibited from taking part in church sacraments such as communion, confession and burial.

The warning came in a five-page letter Wednesday from Morlino to St. Mary’s Catholic Church in Platteville. The congregation has been roiled by opposition to the traditionalist priests, who began serving the parish in June 2010.

Within months, church donations fell by more than half, and about 40 percent of the church’s 1,200 members signed a petition seeking the priests’ ouster. The church’s 77-year-old school is set to close June 1, a loss many parishioners tie directly to the collapse of donations.

The letter, in which Morlino raises the prospect of invoking the church’s Code of Canon Law against dissenters, has stunned many parishioners.

"There’s almost shock and awe," said Myron Tranel, a member of the church’s finance council. "But mostly, there’s a lot of disappointment that the bishop has decided to deal with it this way."

Others applaud the bishop’s move, saying decisive action was needed because criticism had gotten out of hand.

"This is a warning shot across the bow — you either want to be a Catholic or you don’t," said Gregory Merrick, a member of the church’s pastoral council.

Diocesan spokesman Brent King said Morlino’s main message is that this should be a time of "prayer, serious introspection and forgiveness." The specific texts from the church’s code of law were included precisely so that they may never be needed, King said.

"The bishop’s caution that ‘this cannot continue’ should......

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Sounds like these folks have been used to running the show. Find another parish, or better yet, another church. Let the parish shrink. It's closing time at the cafeteria.
1 posted on 04/29/2012 12:41:00 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

—bflr-


2 posted on 04/29/2012 12:52:08 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: marshmallow

Good news. Sloppy reporting.

There is no provision in canon law to deny confession to any baptized Catholic.


3 posted on 04/29/2012 12:54:18 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: rwilson99

Not without excommunicating them, is that correct? I’m not Catholic.

That aside, I always compare these things to baseball. wWhoever heard of a ‘fundamentalist’ or ‘conservative’ baseball team? either you use a bat and hit the ball and run the bases according to the rules, or you’re not playing baseball and can go elsewhere.


4 posted on 04/29/2012 1:05:32 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: marshmallow
Bishop Morlino's letter can be found here.
5 posted on 04/29/2012 1:06:41 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: marshmallow

Sounds like the priests admit they came on a bit strong. The onus is on them to gently explain and “sell” changes like eliminating altar girls.

The congregation for its part it missing a big opportunity to learn patience and humility.

Not to late for the Holy Spirit to heal things up, but the desire has to be there.


6 posted on 04/29/2012 1:06:54 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: marshmallow

Thanks, Another good one, Show the battle that is brewing in our Church. Pray for us and we all know the end of the story works out well. The question is the journey.

Facebook, and sent to my Priest and Deacon. Will be sending to the Laymen soon.


7 posted on 04/29/2012 1:39:26 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: rwilson99
There is no provision in canon law to deny confession to any baptized Catholic.

Incorrect. If one is excommunicated the excommunication must be lifted prior to a return to the Sacraments.

TITLE IV: PENALTIES AND OTHER PUNISHMENTS (Cann. 1331 - 1340)

CHAPTER I : CENSURES

Can. 1331 §1 An excommunicated person is forbidden:

1° to have any ministerial part in the celebration of the Sacrifice of the Eucharist or in any other ceremonies of public worship;

2° to celebrate the sacraments or sacramentals and to receive the sacraments ;

8 posted on 04/29/2012 1:41:27 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: marshmallow

Agree-
Enough of the hand-clapping; talking, hugging, irreverence, etc. Why can’t local parishes say Mass like they do at the Vatican? Those who cannot abide are free to leave.


9 posted on 04/29/2012 1:48:18 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: married21

“Sounds like the priests admit they came on a bit strong. The onus is on them to gently explain and “sell” changes like eliminating altar girls”

Uh, no it’s not. The libs and dissenters take that line. You really ought not fall for it. It’s called “blaming the victim.”

I think the priests probably explained and explained and explained. But this is the Wisconsin State Urinal writing. You cannot trust anything published in that rag.

I don’t the the problem was with the explainers but with the explainees. When a child is acting up and parents explain and explain and explain, it can happen that the child just doesn’t seem to be capable of getting it.

It’s called “My fingers are in my ears. Not listening. Not listening. Not listening.”

Typical 3-8 year-old behavior?? Just about the developmental level of libs.

imagine they did


10 posted on 04/29/2012 1:53:27 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: marshmallow

I can see not allowing communion and burial not being allowed, but confession?


11 posted on 04/29/2012 2:06:14 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Houghton M.

>The onus is on them to gently explain and “sell” changes like eliminating altar girls”<

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What are altar girls? Is that a future female priest a.k.a a priestess?

Vatican II released a runnaway train that only B16 can put the brakes to.


12 posted on 04/29/2012 2:08:09 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: marshmallow
The “traditional” priests don't let girls be altar boys and they don't let parishioners distribute communion.
Is that is? All this is because of those two things?

I just had a hip replacement 3 days ago and the brain isn't working very well.

Thank you.

13 posted on 04/29/2012 2:09:22 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Biggirl

Excommunication typically requires one to formally repent of the offense before a cleric with the faculties to absolve for it. Until the excommunicated person does that, they cannot validly confess their other sins.


14 posted on 04/29/2012 2:09:26 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

You would think that at least for the sacrement of confession, which involves repentence they would be allowed.


15 posted on 04/29/2012 2:11:35 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Campion

Can you help me on this one, would it be a formal public repentence ritual like it was in the early centuries of the Church?


16 posted on 04/29/2012 2:13:41 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Campion

But can any valid ordin priest do it? That is what they can do as priests.


17 posted on 04/29/2012 2:16:22 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: rwilson99

Well is not serious sin is to be confessed to a priest, and that includes all valid ordained priests?


18 posted on 04/29/2012 2:30:01 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow

Re: Wisconsin State Journal Article by Doug Erickson
The source for this POK is hardly objective and reflects the attitude of Madison Wisconsin in general an anti-Catholis/ anti-religious// anti-cleric revisions going back to the French revolution.

One has to dig furthur into their article to figure out they are fronting for a disandent group or individual which their article names but briefly. This is about recent revisions of Vactican II

And the concern is the closure of the parish school. I think this is a key paragraph that I’m surprized MSJ even related

“Standing by the priests
The priests are from the Society of Jesus Christ the Priest, a group known for traditionalist liturgy and devotion to strict Catholic teaching. They do not allow girls to be altar servers or allow parishioners to assist in distributing communion. Critics say they emphasize doctrine over pastoral care and institute changes in a heavy-handed way.

Morlino has stood by them and did so again in the letter to parishioners, the primary purpose of which was to announce his decision to accept the parish’s recommendation to close the school. The priests have admitted “that they undertook some changes in a way that was abrupt for many people,” Morlino wrote, yet he said no one has provided concrete examples of the priests straying from church doctrine.

In the end, “the Catholic faith is being taught according to the proper understanding of the Second Vatican Council, and what remains are personal likes and dislikes, along with inflated rumors and gossip, some of which may even rise to the level of calumnious inciting of hatred of your priests, the faith and myself,” Morlino wrote.”

I wish a priest from that group was available for the parish I attend north of Plattville. Had I the opportunity I’d be attending mass there instead of where I’m at in the diocease of LaCrosse.. .


19 posted on 04/29/2012 2:37:31 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: marshmallow; All

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20 posted on 04/29/2012 2:38:38 PM PDT by DFG ("Dumb, Dependent, and Democrat is no way to go through life" - Louie Gohmert (R-TX))
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To: married21

**The congregation for its part it missing a big opportunity to learn patience and humility.**

Sitto!

If you have a problem, take someone with you and go talk to that person — don’t go around them to the bishop!


21 posted on 04/29/2012 2:49:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Oops....Ditto!


22 posted on 04/29/2012 2:52:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Biggirl

It would depend on a number of factors; was the excommunication latae sententiae or ferendae sententiae, is the penitent near death, etc.


23 posted on 04/29/2012 3:10:37 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Salvation

What does “Sitto” mean?


24 posted on 04/29/2012 3:11:38 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: marshmallow
"Platteville, Wisconsin, is not the hotbed of revolutionary movement in the world," she said. "We just want our parish community back."

No one is taking her 'parish community" away. If there is negativity and anger, it's likely coming from some of her own friends who don't like the changes the priests made.

As far as the school is concerned, it sounds as though the people in the Parish got their behinds on their shoulders about the way the new priests are saying Mass, and they are punishing the kids in the Parish by not supporting the Parish school.

And as for the man who says he's not saying anything 'untrue' about the priests, one can speak the truth, but do it in such a nasty way as to create suspicion about another person, or cause others to have a negative opinion about that person, thereby harming someone's reputation. That's CALUMNY, and it is as sinful as lying about someone.

25 posted on 04/29/2012 3:21:21 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: marshmallow; All

Information about excommunication:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication


26 posted on 04/29/2012 3:28:28 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: mosesdapoet

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27 posted on 04/29/2012 3:59:41 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Yes, I don’t want to identify the location but it’s not too far from a parish which use to have the new “approved”latin mass said in the LaCrosse diocease.


28 posted on 04/29/2012 4:24:53 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: marshmallow

good, let ‘em have it.


29 posted on 04/29/2012 4:29:38 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: A.A. Cunningham

What a great letter. I am quite certain that if I check I will find out the parish has a rather outspoken gay group.


30 posted on 04/29/2012 6:05:45 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: SuziQ
2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.277 He becomes guilty: - of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor; - of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;278 - of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.
31 posted on 04/29/2012 7:43:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Biggirl
Not exactly public, but typically formally in writing or in person to the cleric with faculties.

Which cleric has faculties to remit the excommunication depends on the offense. Some offenses are reserved to the bishop, some are reserved to the bishop but he has delegated those faculties to his priests, some are reserved to the Pope.

32 posted on 04/30/2012 5:37:29 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: marshmallow

Sounds like the priests did act in haste. My guess is that previous pastors were methodists in disguise and allowed a lot of departures from form. Changes should be introduce gradually. Back in the ‘70s, liberal priests would come in and make changes wholesale. It could be that the parishioners grew up with the parish being the way it was and restoration to the canonical forms seemed a shock.


33 posted on 04/30/2012 1:15:28 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: married21
Sounds like the priests admit they came on a bit strong. The onus is on them to gently explain and “sell” changes like eliminating altar girls.

Yeah ...

Sorta like how girl altar boys, ugly buildings, ugly music, ugly alterations to the Liturgy, disobedience, and outright heresy have been "gently explained" and "sold" to orthodox faithful Catholics over the last 40 years.

34 posted on 04/30/2012 1:23:25 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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