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Priests Must Break Confessional Seal: Irish Government Introduces Anticipated Bill
LifeSite News ^ | 4/30/12 | Hilary White

Posted on 05/02/2012 8:13:25 AM PDT by marshmallow

DUBLIN, April 30, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Irish Justice Minister has evoked outrage from the Catholic Church by proposing 5-year prison sentences for priests who fail to report sex abuse of minors if they hear about it in the confessional.

Alan Shatter’s mandatory reporting bill, introduced Wednesday, will make it a criminal offence to fail to disclose information to police which would “assist in prosecuting a person who commits a serious offence against a child or vulnerable adult.” The bill confirms fears that the government of Ireland will attempt to force priests to break the seal of the confessional, an idea that caused an uproar when it bruited about the Dail last summer.

A statement from the Vatican last August made it clear that under no circumstances whatever may a priest reveal what he learns in confession, even if a penitent confesses to criminal activity. The seal of confession is the oldest and most sacrosanct of the disciplines of the Catholic priesthood.

“Ireland can pass whatever laws it wants,” said Archbishop Girotti, regent of the apostolic penitentiary, to Il Foglio, “but it must know that the Church will never submit to forcing confessors to inform civil officials.”

Cardinal Seán Brady, the primate of Ireland, condemned the government’s plans, calling them “challenge to the very basis of a free society.”

“The inviolability of the seal of confession is so fundamental to the very nature of the Sacrament that any proposal that undermines that inviolability is a challenge to the right of every Catholic to freedom of religion and conscience,” Cardinal Brady said to a group of pilgrims at the Shrine of Knock.

To date, no formal statement has been issued on the subject by the Irish Catholic bishops in defence of the Church’s ancient legal privilege. Auxiliary Bishop Raymond......

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1 posted on 05/02/2012 8:13:35 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

It would be more helpful if Priests divulged confessions of politicians breaking the public trust....

When is THAT bill coming forward?


2 posted on 05/02/2012 8:20:11 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: marshmallow
While I doubt that very many of those who are pedophiles go to confession and admit it to their priest, I have no doubt that more than a few Irish pedophiles who are caught after this bill passes will swear they confessed their crimes to several priests.
3 posted on 05/02/2012 8:26:00 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: G Larry

I suppose Doctors and Lawyers will be next.


4 posted on 05/02/2012 8:26:36 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: marshmallow

In coordination with Obama’s birth control mandates, part of a coordinated global attack on the Church.


5 posted on 05/02/2012 8:28:07 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marshmallow

I don’t imagine there will be very many cases where priests will be required to break the vow of secrecy of the confessional, but it will happen. I would not count on all priests being strong.

People now are soft. Few people in the West have any idea what it really means to be tested in one’s faith - to the point of imprisonment or even death. Faced with that, many will crumble.


6 posted on 05/02/2012 8:49:24 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

When you tell a Priest your sins it’s a Confession. When a priest repeats your sins in Court it’s Hearsay.


7 posted on 05/02/2012 8:52:04 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Subordinating God to man’s law is the ultimate evil.


8 posted on 05/02/2012 9:23:26 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The day liberals grow up is the day tyranny ends.)
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To: Salvation; narses

For your ping list


9 posted on 05/02/2012 9:25:42 AM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: massgopguy
You're right. Priests cannot and will not reveal a Confession to anyone.

The Seal: A Priest's Story

10 posted on 05/02/2012 9:26:19 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Rashputin

I would think that while a priest would not be obligated to to divulge what he heard in a confession or who had confessed to him, the priest could freely admit that he never heard the confession of one who was trying to cause that priest some mischief, especially if that individual had never made any confession to him or had any sort of contact at all.


11 posted on 05/02/2012 10:16:09 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Kiss the Son!)
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To: massgopguy

Thus, why have the law at all? A priest has no discernment that what the confessor had told him was true or not unless the Holy Spirit gave him a prompting but even such “promptings” would never be held up in court( I’m not trying to make light of the Holy Spirit...heaven forbid, but the secular courts might). Some folks are mentally ill and make up all sorts of things that they may have or may have not done.

I might be forced by law as an RN to give testimony as to any potential law violations of my patients and I have to let them know in advance of the possibility should any of them want to “tell me something important.” Still the defense lawyers will hit me with a “hear-say allegation” unless other solid evidence was found.


12 posted on 05/02/2012 10:26:47 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Kiss the Son!)
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To: marshmallow

If I’m the Bishop and this law passes in Ireland, then the mandate comes down, no further face to face confessions, only confessions behind the screen like the old days. Priests won’t know the identity of their penitents. Problem solved.


13 posted on 05/02/2012 10:58:12 AM PDT by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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To: OriginalChristian

What about confessions heard during extreme unction?


14 posted on 05/02/2012 12:04:16 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Rashputin

“While I doubt that very many of those who are pedophiles go to confession and admit it to their priest, I have no doubt that more than a few Irish pedophiles who are caught after this bill passes will swear they confessed their crimes to several priests.”

As I understand it, absolution for a crime often requires turning yourself in for it. If they don’t intend to do so I don’t think they can be absolved of it.


15 posted on 05/02/2012 2:11:20 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: G Larry

The Church’s cover-up of the gay priests is taking a heavy toll; I think a lot of people that would have opposed some of the laws designed to target the Church specifically (such as removing statutes of limitations for select crimes) will now support those laws...”for the children”.


16 posted on 05/02/2012 2:16:02 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Salvation

Salvation’s right. This is a bit long, from Father William Saunders, at here:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0059.html

The Seal of the Confessional
FR. WILLIAM SAUNDERS
Can a priest ever tell someone another person’s confession?

The standard of secrecy protecting a confession outweighs any form of professional confidentiality or secrecy. When a person unburdens his soul and confesses his sins to a priest in the Sacrament of Penance, a very sacred trust is formed. The priest must maintain absolute secrecy about anything that a person confesses. For this reason, confessionals were developed with screens to protect the anonymity of the penitent. This secrecy is called “the sacramental seal,” “the seal of the confessional,” or “the seal of confession.”
The sacramental seal is inviolable. Quoting Canon 983.1 of the Code of Canon Law, the Catechism states, “...It is a crime for a confessor in any way to betray a penitent by word or in any other manner or for any reason” (No. 2490). A priest, therefore, cannot break the seal to save his own life, to protect his good name, to refute a false accusation, to save the life of another, to aid the course of justice (like reporting a crime), or to avert a public calamity. He cannot be compelled by law to disclose a person’s confession or be bound by any oath he takes, e.g. as a witness in a court trial. A priest cannot reveal the contents of a confession either directly, by repeating the substance of what has been said, or indirectly, by some sign, suggestion, or action. A Decree from the Holy Office (Nov. 18, 1682) mandated that confessors are forbidden, even where there would be no revelation direct or indirect, to make any use of the knowledge obtained in the confession that would “displease” the penitent or reveal his identity.

(Just as an aside, a great movie which deals with this very topic is Alfred Hitchcock’s “I Confess,” which deals with a priest who hears a murder confession and then is framed for the murder. As a priest, I was in agony during much of the movie.)

However, a priest may ask the penitent for a release from the sacramental seal to discuss the confession with the person himself or others. For instance, if the penitent wants to discuss the subject matter of a previous confession — a particular sin, fault, temptation, circumstance — in a counseling session or in a conversation with the same priest, that priest will need the permission of the penitent to do so. For instance, especially with the advent of “face-to-face confession,” I have had individuals come up to me and say, “Father, remember that problem I spoke to you about in confession?” I have to say, “Please refresh my memory,” or “Do you give me permission to discuss this with you now?”

Or if a priest needs guidance from a more experienced confessor to deal with a difficult case of conscience, he first must ask the permission of the penitent to discuss the matter. Even in this case, the priest must keep the identity of the person secret.

What happens if a priest violates the seal of confession? The Catechism (No. 1467) cites the Code of Canon Law (No. 1388.1) in addressing this issue, which states, “A confessor who directly violates the seal of confession incurs an automatic excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; if he does so only indirectly, he is to be punished in accord with the seriousness of the offense.” From the severity of the punishment, we can clearly see how sacred the sacramental seal of confession is in the eyes of the Church.

Actually, the Church’s position in this matter has long-standing credibility. The Fourth Lateran Council (1215) produced one of the first comprehensive teachings concerning the Sacrament of Penance. Addressing various problems ranging from abuses to heretical stands against the sacrament, the council defended the sacrament itself, stipulated the need for the yearly sacramental confession of sins and reception of the Holy Eucharist, and imposed disciplinary measures upon priest confessors. The council decreed, “Let the confessor take absolute care not to betray the sinner through word or sign, or in any other way whatsoever. In case he needs expert advice he may seek it without, however, in any way indicating the person. For we decree that he who presumes to reveal a sin which has been manifested to him in the tribunal of penance is not only to be deposed from the priestly office, but also to be consigned to a closed monastery for perpetual penance.”

A beautiful story (perhaps embellished with time) which captures the reality of this topic is the life of St. John Nepomucene (1340-93), the vicar general to the Archbishop of Prague. King Wenceslaus IV, described as a vicious, young man who easily succumbed to rage and caprice, was highly suspicious of his wife, the Queen. St. John happened to be the Queen’s confessor. Although the king himself was unfaithful, he became increasingly jealous and suspicious of his wife, who was irreproachable in her conduct. Although Wencelaus tortured St. John to force him to reveal the Queen’s confessions, he would not. In the end, St. John was thrown into the River Moldau and drowned on March 20, 1393.

Each priest realizes that he is the ordained mediator of a very sacred and precious sacrament. He knows that in the confessional, the penitent speaks not so much to him, but through him to the Lord. Therefore, humbled by his position, the priest knows that whatever is said in confession must remain secret at all costs.

Another interesting side to this question is the obligation of the laity: An interpreter needed for someone to make a confession or anyone who gains knowledge of a confession (such as overhearing someone’s confession) is also obligated to preserve secrecy (Code of Canon Law, No. 983.2). For such a person to violate the secrecy of another person’s confession is a mortal sin and warrants “a just penalty, not excluding excommunication” (No. 1388.2). A person who falsely accuses a priest of breaking the seal of the confession incurs a mortal sin and perhaps other canonical penalties, including excommunication.

Clearly, the Church regards the seal of confession as sacred. Every person — whether priest or laity — must take the obligation to preserve the secrecy of confession absolutely seriously.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Saunders, Rev. William. “The Seal of the Confessional.” Arlington Catholic Herald.

Reprinted with permission of the Arlington Catholic Herald.

THE AUTHOR

Father William Saunders is dean of the Notre Dame Graduate School of Christendom College and pastor of Queen of Apostles Parish, both in Alexandria, Virginia. The above article is a “Straight Answers” column he wrote for the Arlington Catholic Herald. Father Saunders is also the author of Straight Answers, a book based on 100 of his columns and published by Cathedral Press in Baltimore.

Copyright © 2000 Arlington Catholic Herald

I hope that this helps the understanding of all.


17 posted on 05/02/2012 2:37:36 PM PDT by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: kearnyirish2

When is the MSM going after the NYC School District, the LA School District, the Detroit School District, the Chicago School District, the Boston School District, etc...for DECADES of Teacher sexual predation on students?

Who do you suppose designed musical chairs for offenders?


18 posted on 05/02/2012 2:47:18 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: marshmallow

Just this? Not other crimes? Not murder?

What about all the child molesters who don’t go to confession or who do go to confession and don’t confess that sin?

So freaking stupid.

Sorry, no priest is going to comply with this.

Let’s see how long it takes Ireland the US to fill the jails with priests.


19 posted on 05/02/2012 5:05:15 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: G Larry

Bill Donohue of the Catholic League for Civil Rights had a story during the scandal of one particular week in which the NYC public school system had five sex abuse incidents (by school employees on minors); he had names & dates.

It never even made the news.


20 posted on 05/02/2012 9:16:34 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
As I understand it, absolution for a crime often requires turning yourself in for it. If they don’t intend to do so I don’t think they can be absolved of it.

This seems the most logical and Christ-like thing to do. Not only does the person confessing the crime have an obligation to "come clean" before God, he/she also must do so to society. This is ESPECIALLY true if a child or another innocent is the victim. For a priest to hear a pedophile confess the rape of a child and then for the priest to do nothing afterward but "forgiving" the perpetrator, is to be remiss in his duties to the entire community. That child MUST know he is cared for and that he can trust those in authority to protect him/her from further abuse.

A big part of the scandal that the Catholic Church is dealing with today is because these victims were ignored, their abusers hidden and cosseted, if the abusers were clergy, they were moved secretly to other unsuspecting diocese and, often, the victim - if the abuse is discovered by parents - is blamed for its happening. The Apostle Paul was very adamant that anyone in the church who was guilty of grave sin MUST be cast out of the fellowship if he refused to repent and cease the sinful act. I HIGHLY doubt Paul would have approved of how this grievous blight has been handled in the past. I sincerely hope the days where such was brushed aside is gone and any clergy, who is made aware of child abuse, does MUCH more than forgive and forget.

Just maybe if such a perpetrator KNEW that not only would he have to face the consequences for his crime before God but also the law and make amends to his victim, before he could be granted absolution, he may think twice before committing it in the first place. Maybe the Catholic Church makes it TOO easy for such a person to get his "absolution" from God while escaping any real punishment for it. True remorse should be measured by how willing the sinner is to really answering for his sin.

21 posted on 05/02/2012 9:31:57 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: kearnyirish2
As I understand it, absolution for a crime often requires turning yourself in for it. If they don’t intend to do so I don’t think they can be absolved of it.

Additionally, there HAVE to be exceptions to this "vow of secrecy" in the confessional. If a priest hears a confession of someone participating in a terrorist attack where people will be murdered, must he really have to keep it to himself? Sorry, there are legitimate AND logical exceptions to this rule. Let's be reasonable here.

22 posted on 05/02/2012 9:38:27 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

“If a priest hears a confession of someone participating in a terrorist attack where people will be murdered, must he really have to keep it to himself? Sorry, there are legitimate AND logical exceptions to this rule.”

We can’t seek absolution for something we haven’t done yet; I don’t know if your scenario is even related to the seal of the confessional.

I don’t believe there are exceptions to this rule; Caesar has his kingdom and God has His.


23 posted on 05/02/2012 9:41:47 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: boatbums

The are no exceptions, nor should there be any. The seal must be absolute. I can appreciate why you believe as you do but...it is what it is.


24 posted on 05/03/2012 2:29:23 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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