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Posted on 05/03/2012 11:07:41 AM PDT by Rashputin
Obama Catholics vort-2012-05-03
Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. Im Michael Voris.
The campaign season is in full swing already. Its actually a little early as general elections go in the United States people dont usually tune into until Labor Day .. but it is what it is.
For Catholics .. election fever doesnt seem like it could get any hotter. The Obama health mandate requiring Catholic institutions to chuck their consciences and pay for birth control and abortion-causing drugs for their workers has already engaged a good portion of Catholics.
And its only the beginning of May.
But given all that .. whats surprising is that it seems like .. despite all the uproar in the Catholic blogs and media .. that MOST Catholics in America are somehow either blissfully unaware OR simply dont car about Obamas conscience incursion.
In a recent Gallup Poll .. Catholic voters nationwide remarkably still somehow favor Obama 51-45%. There are some possible bright spots in that in some of the more crucial states .. the margin might be a little closer .. but nonetheless .. this poll and others which agree with it .. would seem to indicate that faithful Catholic still have a yeomans worth of work to do in informing fellow Catholics about Obama.
When you stop to consider ALL that has been written and said about this issue .. including in the secular press .. it seems astonishing that the needle has barely moved among Catholic voters who support Obama.
In the 08 election .. the Obama margin among Catholics was 54 to 46%. While the number supporting Obama has shrunk a little bit .. from 54 down to 51 .. its certainly not clear that this can be attributed to the Obama attacking Catholic principles and religious liberty factor.
Obama has seen his numbers decline among almost EVERY group across the board.
But alarmingly from a Catholic point of view .. his numbers among Catholics still remain some of his strongest support compared to other groups and THAT suggests that the message of Obamas campaign against the Church just hasnt gotten out to Catholics in the street .. or if it has .. even more disturbingly is the possibility that they HAVE heard it .. and simply dismissed it.
What IS certain is that the vast majority of Catholics in America are simply disengaged from the Church in any meaningful manner. 75% dont go to Mass on Sunday .. and thats on a GOOD day.
Most .. huge numbers .. disagree with and reject Church teaching on practically every area regarding sexual morality .. which is perhaps why Obama decided to strike at the issue of contraception.
This was a battle he did not need to engage in. A majority of states already required that Catholic employers as well as all other employers - provide birth control to workers through health insurance plans.
So it makes sense that the average Catholic who remember, doesnt go to Mass and rejects Church teaching would say whats the big deal, who cares? Im not gonna decide my vote based on this issue which seems like a tempest in a teapot.
Obama has chosen an issue which he knows MOST Catholics simply do not care about .. contraception. Which is why the bishops have chosen to fight this as a religious liberty issue as opposed to what it really is a violation of natural law, imposed by the state on all of its subjects.
Perhaps the destruction of Catholic moral teaching over the past 40 plus years as Cardinal Timothy Dolan openly admitted a few weeks back has been so widespread that there is no hope that this can be fought any other way other THAN as a 1sy amendment issue.
If thats true .. its hard to see that a massive Catholic vote could be mobilized against Obama based on this issue. Bottom line is this most Catholics dont agree with the Church teaching on birth control. So they arent gonna rally around the issue come November.
In principle .. in a poll or when talking with friends .. sure some might say AND agree that they think its wrong for Obama to try and pull this .. but dont count on that being anything top of mind with them when they walk into the voting booth.
Faithful Catholics in the blog and on the internet in general can tend to get a very myopic vision of the world as can any group that hangs out with just its own members.
The very real danger of Obama is the man pushes laws that violate the natural law .. not just the Constitution. This battle needs to be fought in that arena .. not the religious liberty arena. The religious liberty issue is a loser .. sure fire loser. People wont remember it all come November.
Catholics in general have already largely dismissed it right now .. in the heat of intense media coverage. They certainly wont care about it 6 months from now.
This is a perfect opportunity for the Church to open up the much more important discussion of natural law and evil .. lets just hope that it happens.
GOD Love you. Im Michael Voris.
the Catholic hierarchy(Bishops) tends to speak about voting in the theoretic rather than the practical. Since 1980, the republicans have been pro-life and the Democrats pro-abortion. On social justice issues, concern for the poor, establishing and maintaining a safety net the republicans have agreed with all this but with spending less and making the programs more accountable to prevent fraud. Any time a republican speaks of reducing fraud in one of these social justice programs to possibly save some money or reduce one of these programs a bit because of financial constraints(every year we borrow to spend on our yearly budget), the democrats run to the main stream media and scream that republicans want to starve people, kill grandma or worse.
Some people, DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, make the simple analogy that Democrats are tend to be closer to Catholic teaching on treatment of the poor and needy, and republicans tend to be closer to Catholic teaching on family and life issues.
This ignores the broader strokes of reality in politics. The democrats are for every sexual and cultural deviancy. The Democratic Party has every anti-Catholic position sitting at the conference table waiting for their turn to push their agenda in the realm of sexuality, abortion, anti-religion. Whereas the Republican Party is the only cultural force outside of Christianity and the Catholic Church that opposes this cultural tide. Unfortunately, it can be said for both the Republican Party and the Catholic(Christian) churches is that they have served as an ineffectual doorstop against a door that is intending to swing wide open.
A Catholic who votes democratic is an unwitting enemy of his own religion, God and Gods people. Like the 1st century through 3rd century Rome ....there will be martyrs.
Yes, yes, yes, you are so right.
I had an argument with a friend, who attends Mass weekly, sometimes even daily who will vote once again for Obama and all the Democrats on the ballot for the very reasons you listed.
I brought up abortion and got no reaction, no response except that the Republicans hate the poor, hate women and will take from them all the things the Democrats have given them.
“I would not have a job helping the poor if it wasn’t for Democrats!” she declared.
I asked her, “Why do you have to have a job from the government to help the poor?”
No response, and since then I haven’t spoken to her though we always smile at each other when we happen to meet.
Sad, sad, sad.
Oh yeah, because non Catholic Christians all know the real Christ of Scripture.
(These are old numbers showing how favor with Obama has deteriorated.)
LOL! Mrs. Don-o posted a hilarious picture about "and also with you' a couple of weeks ago.
--> yes, that's the various beliefs outside of orthodoxy --> various "evang" groups/cults have broken up so quickly and split up over and over agian, they are adequate proof that they are built on sand....
In contract orthdoxy continues, thanks to God's grace --> the Catholic/Orthodox/Oriental Church continues, while the chaff in the non-Apostolic Church just dissipate over and over
That’s sheer nonsense from Evangmlw’s posts like: No, Jesus never drank strong drink and He didnt create 150 gallons of rotten juice to throw a drunken party. Jesus Christ never created anything tainted, and fermented juice is tainted.
Any Westboro baptist is hardly acting Christian at all...
Ann Barnhardt calls out the bishops with regularity.
ROTFL! LOVE it! I was telling a friend about this picture at Mass last Sunday!
WOW! Thanks for that responnse. It is a very clear, concise description of what is happening in our society regarding morals and applying them to voting habits.