Skip to comments.First abused then castrated- article and video about Dutch Catholic scandal
Posted on 05/11/2012 1:40:26 PM PDT by Gillibrand
Hardly anyone knew Henk Heithuis when he was killed in a car accident on 28 October 1958 when only 23 years old. Today, fifty years after his untimely death, the sad fate of the Dutchman is extensively covered in the international press from the "Spiegel" to the FAZ to the "Telegraph".
The media interest has a reason: The name of the young man at the centre of a scandal brings shame on the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands and also reaction in politics. This is because Heithuis, who spent nearly his entire life in Catholic homes and boarding schools, was there not only sexually abused but the church prompted his castration, supposedly to cure his homosexuality.
From the confessional to the surgeon
Worse still, the unfortunate Heithuis was perhaps just one of several victims who were castrated.
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They used them as choir singers but the practice has always been condemned and those found doing the procedure were often excommunicated.
The Catholic Church is infallible in the teaching of faith and morals. The Pope does not make mistakes when he speaks “ex-Cathedra”, or from the chair (which is rare - most Pope’s do not issue infallible decrees). But administrative mistakes may be made - continuing to allow castrated singers may have been one. Remember though, those castrated boys claimed it was a tragic “accident” that led to the castration. This was usually a lie and done so they could get to sing at the church.
Even if one were to accept this premise (I don't) it is still a matter of saying but not doing.
“administrative mistakes”? That's another class of sin that I haven't heard of yet. Omission, commission? Yes, even ‘mistakes were made’ but “administrative mistakes”?
That sounds like “I don't steal but I'm willing to use stolen money”.
Yes, administrative mistakes versus teaching mistakes.
The Catholic Church is full of sinners and hypocrites. But the Church does not err when it makes a declaration ex-Cathedra or when the Pope says something in conjunction with the Bishops (e.g. a global Council of the Bishops).
Point out that there are sinners in the Church is sort of like saying that the sky is dark at night.
i think some of these guys think church folk are supposed to be perfect
I hate to say this, but these were the days when Rosemary Kennedy had a lobotomy for her sexual acting out and temper tantrums.
And last time I looked, although the mental hospitals were “RUN” by the church (usally set up to treat people and staffed with nuns because it is hard to find folks to work in such places) it is psychiatrists and doctors who thought castration was the cure for various mental disorders.
Catholics, like any group or religion, is made up of people of all political ideas. The percentages of liberals and conservatives in the Catholic religion are the same as they are in society. But bigots like you who love to attack people of the Catholic faith just can’t help themselves. You hate Catholics and you must lie to heap more on them.
Name calling, bigotry, and a personal attack, all because someone knows how the majority of Catholics vote.
If you are conservative, then try to see things from a conservatives point of view.
No. It’s your OPINION on how you believe they vote. For every web page you post that shows your point I can find an equal number showing you’re wrong.
It’s always amazing to me the amount of Catholic bashing that FR allows.
If you don’t want to be called a bigot on this subject then stop displaying your bigoted opinions on the subject.
I am a conservative. I am also a Catholic. I know hundreds of Catholics and some are more conservative than you.
I doubt you KNOW how the majority of Catholics vote unless you are there with them when they vote.
Just another anti-Catholic bigot is all you are.
You think that the Catholic vote, or all the other major categories is something that American politics from news to parties doesn’t keep up with?
Obama got 54% of the Catholic vote.
You freaking out because of your bigotry and getting vicious on a person doesn’t change something as ordinary and everyday as how major groups vote.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
54% is a “majority”?
You’re delusional. I’ve read through a bunch of your recent posts and it looks like you’re not just anti-Catholic, it looks like you’re anti-religion or maybe just anti-Christian.
I’m not freaking out FRiend. I’m just trying to show you that you are wrong and if you believe that 54% is a majority then you are beyond learning anything.
Just keep hating on Catholics or Christians. But don’t say things that are not true. Just because you believe that something is so doesn’t make it so.
You haven’t been reading my posts if you found anti-Christian posting.
But if you don’t see 54% as a majority vote, then who knows.
Catholic bashing? FR is flooded with lengthy Catholic posts that I consider spam. I doubt any other group would be cut so much slack.
Anything over 50% is a majority.
For example - Al Gore got the majority of the popular vote in 2000 - slightly more than 50%.
According to our Constitution a bill is passed by the legislature with a majority vote - and again - a majority is anything over 50%.
A regular Sandusky for charity work - that one.
Some blog has this anti Catholic story and suddenly its true. Liberals have an uncanny ability to rewrite history, and destroy those that get in their way.
Im not saying it didn’t happen, just that the story is omits facts like the it is known that castration was used in the 50’s in Europe to treat homosexuality. The Dutch government officials had authorized this procedure. The man was 20 years old at the time this happened. Monks in that case were convicted. Chemical Castration was used in the US in the 60’s to treat deviant sexual behavior as well. There are hundreds of horrible acts of sexual abuse that take place, outside of christian institutions every single day, but I guess since they are committed in public schools they are not as news worthy as this case from the 1950’s.
As has been seen from the breakdown of data from the most recent catastro - uh,... election - Catholics are about where the country is, as a group, neither particularly liberal nor particularly conservative. 51% of the country voted for the anti-Christ, about 48% for Gov. Romney. 50% of Catholics voted for the anti-Christ, about 48% for Gov. Romney.
However, like the rest of the country, the real story is when you break things out by race and by religious practice. As you well know, non-Hispanic white Catholics voted fairly solidly for Gov. Romney. As well, weekly-Mass-going Catholics also voted solidly for Gov. Romney.
Just as with minority Protestants, minority Catholics voted very strongly for the anti-Christ.
If you want to gauge the Catholic vote, it's more valuable to look at ethnicity and religious practice first than to look at bare religious identification. Just like the rest of America.
As pointed out by others, Catholic voters aren't a monolithic voting bloc anymore, or anything even approaching.
The Catholic denomination supports the democrat party.
America’s second largest denomination, the Southern Baptists are about an 80% republican vote.
Protestants as a whole have only gone democrat 3 times in history, the last time was in 1964, Catholics have only voted republican 5 or 6 times, and only once against a democrat incumbent. The Catholic vote is pretty much where it has always been.
A comparison between the Catholic Church and the Southern Baptists is a little silly, since the Catholic Church is multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-cultural and universal, and the Southern Baptists are a group that was founded by white Protestants out of the divide of the Civil War. Where the southern side took up a defense of slavery.
In recent decades, the Catholic Church votes a lot like America votes. Which isn't surprising since ethnically, racially, politically, geographically, the Catholic Church in the United States LOOKS a lot like America looks. The Southern Baptists look a lot like... the Southern Baptists.
Even so, it's merely anti-Catholic bigotry to refuse to acknowledge that the intragroup differences in the Church are sufficiently large as to render a statement like, "The Catholic vote is this or that" sort of foolish.
And certainly, with 48% of Catholics voting for the Republican candidate this year, this statement is just pure idiocy:
"Catholics and liberal is not two different things,..."
LOL. Not to be taken seriously.