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Hilary Mantel: Catholic Church Is Not For Respectable People [Appeals To Secular Elites!]
Telegraph(UK) ^ | May 13, 2012 | Anita Singh

Posted on 05/13/2012 10:36:40 PM PDT by Steelfish

Hilary Mantel: Catholic Church Is Not For Respectable People The Catholic Church “is not an institution for respectable people”, according to Hilary Mantel, the Booker Prize-winning author.

Hilary Mantel, the Booker Prize-winning author Photo: Martin Pope By Anita Singh 13 May 2012

Mantel was raised a Roman Catholic and educated at convent school. However, the 59-year-old writer said child abuse scandals involving Roman Catholic priests demonstrated the “cruelty” and “hypocrisy” of the church.

Asked if she would call for a priest on her deathbed, Mantel replied: “No. I might very well call for a Church of England vicar, but I would not call for a Catholic priest.

“I’m one of nature’s Protestants. I should never have been brought up as a Catholic. I think that nowadays the Catholic Church is not an institution for respectable people.”

She said of the paedophilia scandals: “The fact that it could happen, the extent of the denial, the cover-up, the hypocrisy, the cruelty... When I was a child I wondered why priests and nuns were not nicer people. I thought that they were amongst the worst people I knew.

“But in a cold-blooded way, as a writer I’ve had full value from Catholicism - I can say that.

“It’s a great training in doubleness - this looks like bread but it is actually a man’s body, this looks like wine but it’s actually blood. And that’s very much a writer’s way of thinking - she comes in and says good morning, but she means damn you to hell.”

Mantel’s latest historical novel, Bring Up The Bodies, is published this month. It is a sequel to Wolf Hall, an account of the early life of Thomas Cromwell which won the Man Booker Prize in 2009.

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1 posted on 05/13/2012 10:36:48 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Never heard of Hilary Mantel or the Booker Prize.


2 posted on 05/13/2012 11:11:25 PM PDT by icwhatudo (This is not a choice between Romney&Reagan-Its between Romney & most radical leftist Pres in history)
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To: Steelfish

Maybe it’s not really meant for respectable people or Pharisees. But sinners are welcome.


3 posted on 05/13/2012 11:15:12 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Steelfish
"The Catholic Church is for saints and sinners alone. For respectable people, the Anglican Church will do."

Oscar Wilde

4 posted on 05/13/2012 11:22:10 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: Steelfish

She lost her religious faith at age 12 and says that this left a permanent mark on her: the “real cliche, the sense of guilt. You grow up believing that you’re wrong and bad. And for me, because I took what I was told really seriously, it bred a very intense habit of introspection and self-examination and a terrible severity with myself. So that nothing was ever good enough. It’s like installing a policeman, and one moreover who keeps changing the law

During her twenties, she suffered from a debilitating and painful illness. This was initially diagnosed as a psychiatric illness, for which she was hospitalised and treated with anti-psychotic drugs. These paradoxically produced psychotic symptoms; as a consequence, for some years she refrained from seeking help from doctors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_Mantel


5 posted on 05/13/2012 11:40:31 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Steelfish

6 posted on 05/13/2012 11:44:41 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Hilary Mental


7 posted on 05/13/2012 11:57:38 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Cogito cogito)
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To: Steelfish

In a way she is correct.

The Catholic Church is for sinners, the poor, the lost, the downtrodden and all those who are not “respectable.”


8 posted on 05/13/2012 11:59:36 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: kcvl

English teeth. Ouch.


9 posted on 05/14/2012 3:05:06 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: Steelfish

There are about 400,000 current Catholic priests and there have been 4,000 molestation cases in the past 50 years. That works out to less than 1% when you consider that we are dealing with a population over time, one that probably includes over 800,000 priests. You know liberals are dishonest when you compare their shock over this scandal with their indifference to the universal abuses from socialist governments, from Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany through today. Liberals disgust me. As for priests, more than 99% of them deserve our respect, which makes them a whole lot better than leftists.


10 posted on 05/14/2012 3:16:31 AM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: RPTMS

“The Catholic Church is for saints and sinners alone. For respectable people, the Anglican Church will do.”

Still true 120 years later.


11 posted on 05/14/2012 3:20:55 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: icwhatudo

The Booker prize is the top literary prize in Great Britain. They broadcast it as if it was the Oscars! She wrote a book called “Wolf Hall” about Cromwell. Personally, I couldn’t get through it.


12 posted on 05/14/2012 3:35:39 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Steelfish

I looked her up. She writes wacky books against faith. What do we expect.


13 posted on 05/14/2012 3:47:14 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Steelfish

“I think that nowadays the Catholic Church is not an institution for respectable people.”

No, just saints.


14 posted on 05/14/2012 3:47:27 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: john drake

Yep: Braces might have helped a little.


15 posted on 05/14/2012 4:05:52 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Steelfish

I am very grateful to finally be entering a stage in my life in which idiots amuse me. Ms. Mantel certainly qualifies. It is much better than being bothered by it all. Also, I have read that abuse in public schools is much higher than in the religious community, but they, like liberal pols, rely on media as protecters.


16 posted on 05/14/2012 4:10:18 AM PDT by freedom_is_earned
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To: Steelfish

Shouldn’t Christians be praying for this woman?

What IS it about us that elicits contempt, derision and scorn as automatic responses? (I am including ME in this question.)

Does God love her any less than he loves me?

What am I doing when I vilify an object of his love?

There is a line between refuting ideas that distort the truth and attacks and judgements upon persons. I believe the former is God pleasing; the latter pleases the evil one.


17 posted on 05/14/2012 4:14:22 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Steelfish

Color me “unrespectable”.


18 posted on 05/14/2012 4:17:16 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: don-o

Personally, I periodically pray for all the people in the world. So I have this crazy woman covered with my prayers - repeatedly and for many years.

I will point out to you that FR is a forum for comments not prayer. No one will stop you from posting a prayer but if your primary concern is prayer from others then you would do better by visiting a church.

This woman’s statement is crazy and she seems to have a long history in that regard. I don’t think it is wrong to post an observation of her mental state, especially since she is putting herself out there. Unless you hate all crazy people then I don’t see the big deal, but even if so then that would be your problem not mine.

Finally, if you care to take your hypersensitivity full circle, shouldn’t you be praying here for us rather than the comment that you made?


19 posted on 05/14/2012 4:58:39 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Cogito cogito)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; don-o
"...shouldn’t you be praying here for us rather than the comment that you made?"

Well.

OK, I'll defend don-o here, even though he IS my husband (!!)

Don-o was asking us (together with himself) why we respond with "contempt, derision and scorn" when reacting to an emotionally troubled woman who has chosen an erroneous path away from the Church.

His own comments did not express "contempt, derision and scorn," but only a tone of correction and an appeal to call us back to love.

You may want to keep in mind that "correcting the sinner, instructing the ignorant, counseling the doubtful, comforting the afflicted" are all Works of Mercy, and as such they are compatible with prayer, and are a form of prayer in themselves, since they implicitly call upon Him who is the source of all Mercy.

I myself have a a little of the itch and more than a little of the bitch in me. I benefit from being reminded to respond instead in a way more worthy of my Christian calling.

20 posted on 05/14/2012 5:19:16 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: kcvl

GUILTY


21 posted on 05/14/2012 5:20:35 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: miss marmelstein
She wrote a book called “Wolf Hall” about Cromwell. Personally, I couldn’t get through it.

I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that a Piscataway Princess had trouble with this book. OK it was kinda psychotic in that you never really know who is talking or narrating about what or whom.

Try it again, but use firewater bought from an unscrupulous Indian Agent before each chapter. Her anti-Catholic diatribe notwithstanding, she was really nice to Cardinal Wolsey in the book.

OK, I loved this book, OK?

22 posted on 05/14/2012 5:29:00 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: john drake

The best dental care that socialized medicine can provide.


23 posted on 05/14/2012 6:19:31 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Unlike Pocahantas Warren, I thoroughly checked my ancestry and have found out that I’m pure Lanipe - my family was dredged out of the mud in nearby Manalapan, New Jersey. So please stop refering to me as one of those tacky Piscataways!

Now, on to our literary history with “Wolf Hall.” The fact that there are only pronouns used to define characters defeated me by the 3rd chapter. Why I ever consented to buy this book is beyond me. But then I fell for Pat Barker’s prize-winning trilogy on WWI, too. But they look very nice on my bookshelves - it gives the impression I’m intelligent.


24 posted on 05/14/2012 6:34:33 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
I always thought that was "Lenape," but I am not about to go on the warpath about it with a genuine Princess of any Tribe.

Now about the book. It does require a modicum of ethanol energy to get with the weird use of indefinitely connected pronouns. But that's very hip nowadays, such as reading a news story of a shooting in which one is hard pressed to discover who got shot, who shot, where, when, why, or how.

Never heard of Hilary Mantel before this. I will say, (as a swag-seeking Passamaquoddy Sachem) she ain't no Phillipa Gregory (nor Scarlett Johansen, neither)

25 posted on 05/14/2012 6:44:44 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

We Lanipes spell our names in different ways - and it’s not for outsiders to correct our grammar, thank you. Several bloody wars were fought in the 16th century to settle the spelling of my tribe’s name. 7 out of 11 came to the conclusion that it should be “Lanipe.” Those brave 7/11s went on to build the first grocery store in New Jersey. The whining Lenapes went on to found the first “Wa-Wa.”

Are you suggesting the orthodontally-challenged Ms. Mantel is a Native-American? Fie!


26 posted on 05/14/2012 6:53:20 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Steelfish

Well nuts! I just down loaded her latest book on my iPad after getting the first as a gift...
I hate helping these lib jerks...


27 posted on 05/14/2012 7:12:03 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: RPTMS

Excellent post. Thanks.


28 posted on 05/14/2012 8:04:07 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: FormerACLUmember
In a way she is correct.

The Catholic Church is for sinners, the poor, the lost, the downtrodden and all those who are not “respectable.”

But you have to be smart to be a Catholic. Even some Catholic FReepers say so.

29 posted on 05/14/2012 8:21:51 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: miss marmelstein
Kindly contain your harsh dental views directed at our English cousins.

It is the English who invented the TOOTHbrush. Had it been invented anywhere else it would be a TEETHbrush.
Wobbly chompers aside, I did not mean to imply that young Hilary the Writer was one of us. It's just that after reading her book, my pronouns don't exactly seem to want to go with anyone, anything, or anytime in particular.

And, Lanipe it is. I am withdrawing all my milk and egg business from those WaWa savages immediately.

30 posted on 05/14/2012 8:45:21 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: Pollster1

The Catholic Church is blessed by it’s enemies. Exposing the hidden sexual abuse has lessened it’s power to operate within the church. Evil flourishes in secret and fortunately for children of the church, it is no longer flourishing in the church.

The secularists who expose and condemn the church, hide the sexual molestation in their own institutions in order to stand on that high moral ground over the church. And so their own abuse is flourishing in secret and will eventually bring down their own institutions.


31 posted on 05/14/2012 12:42:54 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
The Catholic Church is blessed by it’s enemies. Exposing the hidden sexual abuse has lessened it’s power to operate within the church. Evil flourishes in secret and fortunately for children of the church, it is no longer flourishing in the church.

I agree to some extent. Exposing sexual abuse, removing the predators, and changing policies to make it clear that perverts will not be protected are all good things. The down side is pretending that it's pervasive in the Church.

32 posted on 05/14/2012 12:47:06 PM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: Pollster1

If it makes the church stand up stronger against evil in all it’s suggestions and actions, that can only be good from God’s point of view. People who say the church is purely evil, would say that even if the church was perfection. This has always been the case. They named Jesus evil when he was perfection.

While secularists led by homo activists needle and condemn the church, sexual grooming and molestation is flouring in their atheist temples of public education. At some point, Christians will go after that hidden evil.


33 posted on 05/14/2012 12:54:31 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Steelfish

Her fictionalized books about Cromwell had positive reviews, and if that’s your thing, you oughta read them (not mine.) However, her accidental arrival at the hard truth about the Catholic Church (because, yes indeed, it is not for the respectable!) only illustrates what one writer said recently in an interview I’ve read: “As a rule, the artist is stupider than his work.”


34 posted on 05/14/2012 12:58:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

AMEN!!


35 posted on 05/14/2012 11:40:59 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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