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E.J. Dionne Jr: Iím not quitting the church (This liberal won't leave)
Washington Post ^ | 05/14/2012 | E.J. Dionne Jr

Posted on 05/14/2012 7:13:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Recently, a group called the Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) ran a full-page ad in The Washington Post cast as an “open letter to ‘liberal’ and ‘nominal’ Catholics.” Its headline commanded: “It’s Time to Quit the Catholic Church.”

The ad included the usual criticism of Catholicism, but I was most struck by this paragraph: “If you think you can change the church from within — get it to lighten up on birth control, gay rights, marriage equality, embryonic stem-cell research — you’re deluding yourself. By remaining a ‘good Catholic,’ you are doing ‘bad’ to women’s rights. You are an enabler. And it’s got to stop.”

My, my. Putting aside the group’s love for unnecessary quotation marks, it was shocking to learn that I’m an “enabler” doing “bad” to women’s rights. But Catholic liberals get used to these kinds of things. Secularists, who never liked Catholicism in the first place, want us to leave the church, but so do Catholic conservatives who want the church all to themselves.

I’m sorry to inform the FFRF that I am declining its invitation to quit. It may not see the Gospel as a liberating document, but I do, and I can’t ignore the good done in the name of Christ by the sisters, priests, brothers and lay people who have devoted their lives to the poor and the marginalized.

And on women’s rights, I take as my guide that early feminist Pope John XXIII. In Pacem in Terris, his encyclical issued in 1963, the same year Betty Friedan published “The Feminine Mystique,” Pope John spoke of women’s “natural dignity.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; ffrf; liberal

1 posted on 05/14/2012 7:13:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

These folks are CINOs. Perhaps not even that.

If they wish to leave, that’s jake with me.

-Rex


2 posted on 05/14/2012 7:19:53 AM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama Can't Count.)
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To: RexBeach

I can only imagine if they ran an ad pleading the Muslims to abandon their religion.

I guess I can keep imagining.


3 posted on 05/14/2012 7:24:39 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: SeekAndFind

Most liberals in the Catholic Church or other Christian churches that preach the Gospel have left it already though they are present. They are the tares that grow along with the wheat.


5 posted on 05/14/2012 7:25:34 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: SeekAndFind
“If you think you can change the church from within — get it to lighten up on birth control, gay rights, marriage equality, embryonic stem-cell research — you’re deluding yourself.

And that is how it's supposed to be. ANY Christian church (I'm not Catholic, but I do respect those who are), is a church abiding by the laws passed down from God. Those laws are abolute, those laws have not been withdrawn and those laws are not up for debate. If you don't like those laws, then perhaps there is another church that you may find more "accepting" of your beliefs. But, no one has a "right" to demand that ANY church change it's core beliefs.

6 posted on 05/14/2012 7:26:25 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm not a Catholic, but I will make a general statement about our society and the current role of Christian Churches: The followers of the evil one wish to either destroy the churches or replace them with a counterfeit church that teaches bad for good.

We're in the End Times folks. The signs are there.
The Freedom From Religion people are pushing the destruction of the Church.
EJ Dionne is pushing for a counterfeit church which teaches bad for good.

It's a tag team effort. As long as Good loses, these folks will count it a victory.

7 posted on 05/14/2012 7:28:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: SeekAndFind
When will the church hierarchy excommunicate those that disagree with its teachings?

This is not only a problem with the Catholic church, but with Protestant churches as well. Few seem willing to enforce discipline over it influential members, weakening the message of the church by allowing all sorts of sin and heresy to creep in.

8 posted on 05/14/2012 7:31:18 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“I’m sorry to inform the FFRF that I am declining its invitation to quit. It may not see the Gospel as a liberating document, but I do, and I can’t ignore the good done in the name of Christ by the sisters, priests, brothers and lay people who have devoted their lives to the poor and the marginalized. “

Even as a liberal, you have to give him credit for pointing this out. Most secularist and liberal Christians will not acknowledge this fact from history.


9 posted on 05/14/2012 7:35:57 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: SeekAndFind
“If you think you can change the church from within — get it to lighten up on birth control, gay rights, marriage equality, embryonic stem-cell research ...

Why would I want to?

10 posted on 05/14/2012 7:36:38 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks similar to the one they ran in the New York Slimes in February.


11 posted on 05/14/2012 7:42:13 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s a name for Catholics like Pelosi and EJ: Episcopalians.


12 posted on 05/14/2012 8:16:16 AM PDT by y6162
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To: Arkansas Toothpick
I can only imagine if they ran an ad pleading the Muslims to abandon their religion. I guess I can keep imagining

Not sure if you knew this, but the NY Times ran an ad like this against Catholics a few months ago. Someone did a mock up (same format, similar imagery) calling for Muslims to abandon Islam. The NY Times refused to run the ad.

13 posted on 05/14/2012 9:43:19 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: SeekAndFind
“Oh yes, and the nuns are also scolded for talking a great deal about social justice and not enough about abortion (as if the church doesn’t talk enough about abortion already). But has it occurred to the bishops that less stridency might change more hearts and minds on this very difficult question?”

We tried about 30 years of silence from the pulpit EJ, and things only got worse.
It's time to be silent no more and speak out about “right” and “wrong”! There is a difference and your commitment to shades of gray, is helping nobody.

You can keep your “social justice” mantra to yourself, as it's only purpose is to supplant self-reliance with government dependence and a growing voting block.

14 posted on 05/14/2012 9:57:05 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: SeekAndFind
“If you think you can change the church from within — get it to lighten up on birth control, gay rights, marriage equality, embryonic stem-cell research — you’re deluding yourself.

"Lighten up"? LOL, you mean "accept."

"Embryonic stem-cell research"? LOL, you mean "abortions."

Being a liar is one thing. Being a coward is another. But being a cowardly liar seeking to confuse women about what you're really up to is... Hillary. Why, only three-named women try things like that. And say, look here, one of the authors names is "Annie laurie Gaylor."

I think the other author is a guy, but I couldn't read it through his fuzzy sweater.

15 posted on 05/14/2012 1:09:46 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: kosciusko51
When will the church hierarchy excommunicate those that disagree with its teachings? This is not only a problem with the Catholic church, but with Protestant churches as well. Few seem willing to enforce discipline over it influential members, weakening the message of the church by allowing all sorts of sin and heresy to creep in.

I think it's more of a problem than you realize - it's deliberate. It's the way that has been decided upon to destroy churches, ALL of them. Infiltrate the hierarchy, and then allow endless invasions without resistence until the church dissolves. It's the RINO approach to religion, and it used to be called "sabotage."

16 posted on 05/14/2012 1:13:26 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Hodar; RexBeach
For E.J. Dionne, with Love:

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17 posted on 05/14/2012 3:02:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick
Pamela Geller tried and was rejected.
18 posted on 05/14/2012 7:16:29 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: G Larry

Social justice =Statolitry


19 posted on 05/15/2012 12:58:06 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The best diplomat I know is a fully-activated phaser bank. - Montgomery Scott)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

LOL!
Our new Catholic Priest, is a former Episcopal Minister, married with 6 kids.

Same is true in Mom’s parish in WA.


20 posted on 05/15/2012 4:30:58 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: G Larry

So wonderful! So many coming home!


21 posted on 05/15/2012 8:08:21 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Holy it is, the more Catholic it is.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

POST OF THE DAY!


22 posted on 05/15/2012 9:08:32 AM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama Can't Count.)
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