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1 posted on 05/15/2012 5:51:02 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus
the dead in Christ will rise first

I think he explains it pretty well. It is pretty well documented in both scripture and actual testimony that after we die in Christ we're immediately in His presence. So the dead in Christ do rise first.

I'm not so sure, however, that the dead in Christ won't have their resurrected bodies. Why wouldn't they? "Those who are alive and remain" will of course experience an instant change into their glorified bodies, but I'm not at all sure those who die in the Lord aren't also in their glorified bodies even now as we speak. Many stories of those who have been to Heaven and back seem to corroborate this. Scripture also points to this:

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differs from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Cor 15:40-44

2 posted on 05/15/2012 6:17:31 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Former Fetus

From the article:

“Paul obviously believed that the rapture is a foundational doctrine because he mentioned it immediately after discussing other basic doctrines such as the Holy Spirit (1:5) and conversion (1:5, 9). He also mentions the rapture doctrine (4:13-18) just after and before discussing other basic Christian truths such as sanctification (4:3, 5:23) and the dimensions of man’s nature (5:23). Evidently, in Paul’s thinking, the rapture was just as important as these other truths and deserved the same level of treatment and understanding.”

After reading this penetrating paragraph words of response fail me.


3 posted on 05/15/2012 6:20:48 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Former Fetus

Just where in the Bible is the word “rapture”????


4 posted on 05/15/2012 6:33:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Former Fetus

When does the “rapture” happen?

Do the two witnesses appear before or after the “rapture”?


5 posted on 05/15/2012 6:36:39 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Former Fetus
Nothing here.

Acts 17
1 Now when they had passed through Amphip'olis and Apollo'nia, they came to Thessaloni'ca, where there was a synagogue of the Jews.
2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and for three weeks he argued with them from the scriptures,
3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ."
4 And some of them were persuaded, and joined Paul and Silas; as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.
5 But the Jews were jealous, and taking some wicked fellows of the rabble, they gathered a crowd, set the city in an uproar, and attacked the house of Jason, seeking to bring them out to the people.
6 And when they could not find them, they dragged Jason and some of the brethren before the city authorities, crying, "These men who have turned the world upside down have come here also,
7 and Jason has received them; and they are all acting against the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, Jesus."
8 And the people and the city authorities were disturbed when they heard this.
9 And when they had taken security from Jason and the rest, they let them go.



8 posted on 05/15/2012 7:12:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Former Fetus
No word "rapture" here.

1 Thessalonians 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 and indeed you do love all the brethren throughout Macedo'nia. But we exhort you, brethren, to do so more and more, 11 to aspire to live quietly, to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we charged you; 12 so that you may command the respect of outsiders, and be dependent on nobody. 13 But we would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; Read more: http://www.ewtn.com/ewtn/bible/search_bible.asp#ixzz1uzk0t1TI

9 posted on 05/15/2012 7:15:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Former Fetus
Nor is the word "rapture" here.

Case closed.

 
1 Corinthians 15
50
I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality.
54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
55 "O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain. ------------------------------------------------------------------------


 

 

10 posted on 05/15/2012 7:22:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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