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Good riddance: liberal staff leaves Christian Univ. in droves over “lifestyle statement”
AVN ^ | 5/19/2012 | Joel McDurmon

Posted on 05/19/2012 7:57:24 PM PDT by Morgana

A historic Christian university in Rome, Georgia has received record resignation letters from staffers after mandating that its employees sign a “personal lifestyle statement.” Reports indicate that nearly sixty out of the two hundred employees at Shorter University have decided to leave the educational institution rather than sign the statement, which outlines a moral code that staff are required to live by.

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1 posted on 05/19/2012 7:57:31 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

From the looks of the statement, it would have been a mix of people. Some believing in libertine standards for homosexuals, but others who saw nothing wrong with WWJD vis a vis drinking.


3 posted on 05/19/2012 8:16:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Morgana

Notre Dame and Georgetown — are you listening?


4 posted on 05/19/2012 8:18:01 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (remember when "Four more years!" was a credible campaign slogan for an incumbent?)
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To: Morgana

It’s fine for them to force us to perform abortions in our hospitals and provide teens with morning after drugs without parental notification, birth control free for all... I suspect the school.knew what the outcome would be and set the plan in motion! Good for them!!!


5 posted on 05/19/2012 8:20:15 PM PDT by GizzyGirl
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To: Morgana

I guess Shorter is now shorter.


6 posted on 05/19/2012 8:32:04 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Morgana
Well..it seems; when modern mores/culture clash, some moral
stds. must be kept...and they own the property/resources.
...maybe a better phased, "please move on/out" statement

7 posted on 05/19/2012 8:35:39 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA. DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: Morgana

Just sign it and pretend you’re living by those moral codes. I bet the smarter ones did that


8 posted on 05/19/2012 8:43:41 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Can’t work here if you want to have wine with your dinner at a restaurant.


9 posted on 05/19/2012 8:44:19 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t think “prohibits the promotion of alcohol” really jives with your interpretation. Surely Jesus wouldn’t promote alcohol

There are some things you might do, but you might not encourage others to do. That would be very reasonable.

There is also some question whether the wine in Bible times was like the strong, long-aged, highly alcoholic wine of today. Not many years ago, they had “childrens beer” which was barely alcoholic by todays standards. A couple of glasses of today’s wine and a 170lb person who is not used to it can be borderline drunk. I’m not convinced the wine back then was the same

Certainly we know the Bible is against being drunk, and the NT singles out “drunkards” for not entering into the Kingdom of Heaven. But where is the “drunk” line? I’m not sure I know! I know it when I see it! But finding that line is really hard I think. For me, a couple of beers and I’m not in the kind of control I would like to be.


10 posted on 05/19/2012 8:45:44 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Jeff Winston

That’s not what the article says. See post #10.


11 posted on 05/19/2012 8:46:35 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Morgana
Well, they didn't really have any business being there in the first place.

Shorter has always been an old-fashioned Baptist school, with everything that implies - the news media is being a bit disingenuous here (I'm shocked! I tell you! Shocked!), because the agreement also bans adultery, fornication, drinking anywhere but in private, and a bunch of other stuff that old-fashioned Southern Baptists frown upon. If you want to live la vida loca, Shorter is just not where it's at.

They have always had a good music program. My paternal grandmother was Class of '12 in Opera Performance. Sang at the Met, then came home, got married (to another singer), and was a church soloist for years at St. Peter's (the Episcopalians bagged the name before the Catholics got to town). Dad's earliest memory is sitting between his parents in the choir.

12 posted on 05/19/2012 8:47:45 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Jeff Winston

I can see half a point in the policy. Jesus partook more freely and openly of the fermented blood of the grape (any other kind would not have been practicable except for a few weeks out of the year) than these people would have their staff do. If you’ve got a significant ministry to alcoholic people, this kind of restraint makes sense. No need that an activity not explicitly banned by the faith should be allowed to act as a stumbling block to the weak. But just to be doing it to say you’re specially clean... pfah, bs, baloney. Anyhow, how common is it to recognize someone in a restaurant? I’d feel a policy that you should never be obviously drunk (for an objective measure, too drunk to legally drive, even if you don’t drive or are a passenger) in public, and should avoid distilled liquors in public, would make more sense. And that when ministering to alcoholics, you should stay totally dry.


13 posted on 05/19/2012 8:52:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

The word got out that Jesus was allegedly a glutton and a “winebibber.” Notorious enough? Simple biological processes stop wine fermentation at about 14% which is what typical Jewish wines like Mogen David are. We’re not talking about strait laced Christianized Europeans here. We’re talking about Jews who in spite of minute legalistic moralizing still had a jolly side as their take on the scriptures practically made wine an obligation.


14 posted on 05/19/2012 8:56:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Look up the praise given to the wine Jesus made at the wedding.


15 posted on 05/19/2012 8:59:49 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold Rs to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: Morgana

Either you have faith or you do not.

If you don’t do not say you do.

At least these people have the courage of their convictions.

Unusual for Liberals.


16 posted on 05/19/2012 9:01:12 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“I’d feel a policy that you should never be obviously drunk (for an objective measure, too drunk to legally drive, even if you don’t drive or are a passenger) in public, and should avoid distilled liquors in public, would make more sense”

I can agree with that. Also though, I try and be very tolerant of positions more conservative of my own. The political spectrum is like the air temperature. The temperature of air molecules is distributed on a bell curve. Some are 100s of degrees. This is observed in Brownian motion. But on average, the temperature is good. If you continually cut out the high energy ones because they are too hot, the temperature just goes more and more to the left.

It’s like the political left. Most of them don’t want babies killed after they’re born. But they tolerate stuff like that being out there, as it makes us fight them WAY inside their comfort zone. Even if we win that, they still have pretty much everything they want.


17 posted on 05/19/2012 9:01:45 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“The word got out that Jesus was allegedly a glutton and a “winebibber.””

That’s what Jesus’ enemies said of him, wrongly.


18 posted on 05/19/2012 9:03:10 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: hocndoc

It says it was the best. Not the most alcoholic.


19 posted on 05/19/2012 9:04:48 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Morgana

Their lack of ethics led them to take an ethical stand.


20 posted on 05/19/2012 9:09:13 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Mikey_1962

This is so true & ironic as I pointed out in prior text.


21 posted on 05/19/2012 9:10:32 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

As this criticism came largely from Pharisees, who were copacetic with alcohol induced jollies in religious contexts (Purim, for example, came with a tradition that you should get so drunk you couldn’t tell cursing the enemy from blessing the hero) I think it was based not on the fact that Jesus was jolly at banquets but that He was doing it with the “wrong people,” people who were notorious for things so bad that the Pharisees would not give them the time of day. Jesus had none of that narrow minded finickiness, of course, and was bent on saving souls.


22 posted on 05/19/2012 9:12:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: 4rcane

“Just sign it and pretend you’re living by those moral codes. I bet the smarter ones did that”

If Integrity means nothing to you, perhaps you might be happier at the Daily Kos, or Democratic Underground.

Do you truly believe that lying is fine if (supposedly) necessary to get that which you desire?


23 posted on 05/19/2012 9:42:40 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Morgana

Really quite a simple agreement:
http://www.shorter.edu/about/personal_lifestyle_statement.pdf

Personal Lifestyle Statement
A. Christian Commitment and Membership in a Local Church
Shorter University will hire persons who are committed Bible believing Christians, who are dedicated to integrating biblical faith in their classes and who are in agreement with the University Statement of Faith. Moreover, employees are expected to be active members of a local church.
B. Principles of Personal Conduct
I agree to adhere to and support the following principles (on or off the campus):
1. I will be loyal to the mission of Shorter University as a Christ-centered institution affiliated with the Georgia Baptist Convention.
2. I will not engage in the use, sale, possession, or production of illegal drugs.
3. I reject as acceptable all sexual activity not in agreement with the Bible, including, but not limited to, premarital sex, adultery, and homosexuality.
4. I will not use alcoholic beverages in the presence of students, and I will abstain from serving, from using, and from advocating the use of alcoholic beverages in public (e.g. in locations that are open to use by the general public, including as some examples restaurants, concert venues, stadiums, and sports facilities) and in settings in which students are present or are likely to be present. I will not attend any University sponsored event in which I have consumed alcohol within the last six hours. Neither will I promote or encourage the use of alcohol.
I have read and agree with the Personal Lifestyle Statement and will adhere to it in its entirety while employed at Shorter University. I understand that failure to adhere to this statement may result in disciplinary action against me, up to and including immediate termination.
____________________________________________________ ______________________
Signature Date


24 posted on 05/19/2012 10:13:06 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Shorter had gotten so far away from its roots by the late 1990s that the Libs attempted a hostile takeover to completely sever its ties to the Georgia Baptist Convention. The Georgie Supreme Court agreed with conservatives and overturned the takeover. Untenured libs left at that time; the tenured ones stuck around. When I graduated from Shorter they had an open lesbian teaching marriage and family, and a theology department that denied fundamental truths of the Bible.
This dustup appears to be the last hurrah of the tenured libs who were not close enough to retirement to bail out when the court slapped them down.


25 posted on 05/19/2012 10:14:00 PM PDT by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: DaveTesla

That’s do-able for me, except I’m not in any Church at the moment. I occasionaly drink while gambling, but I guess I could refrain from them when offered, and stick to my iced tea while dining.

Seriously, if you teach at a Christian university, it just goes with the territory that you should be acting like you are at church when there. I mean, wouldn’t that be part of the joy of being there? And if you weren’t a Christian, why would you want to be there?


26 posted on 05/19/2012 10:29:44 PM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: Morgana

Well, that’s one way to get rid of the faggotry and make the place safer for the normal people.
Like the title says, “Good riddance.”


27 posted on 05/19/2012 10:33:30 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 4rcane

I had a conversation with an adjunct instructor at a community college at the beginning of this school year. He used to teach at one of the local seminaries, but said he felt compelled to quit teaching there because he didn’t really believe the statement of faith that he was required to sign each year. I asked what he taught at seminary. His reply: “Christian Ethics”.


28 posted on 05/19/2012 10:42:44 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: Dogbert41
“And if you weren’t a Christian, why would you want to be there?”

To proselytize for the devil.

pros·e·lyt·ize Verb: 1.Convert or attempt to convert
(someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.

Communist Goals;

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

29 posted on 05/19/2012 10:52:13 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Morgana
Its all superstitious foolishness. But it is their school and can set what ever standards for their employees they wish.Those who do not like it can hit the road, as apparently many have done.
30 posted on 05/19/2012 11:07:49 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
For me, a couple of beers and I’m not in the kind of control I would like to be.

Strangely I used to drink for just that reason. :)

Christians can drink just as much as they want, run around on there spouses just as much as they want, they just don't seem to want to. Unless of course they a CINO's.

31 posted on 05/19/2012 11:12:07 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You know 50 years ago every school teacher would had had to abide by that moral code, as well as been told where to buy their groceries, homes, gasoline......


32 posted on 05/19/2012 11:15:39 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: Morgana

Dumb asses.
The College gets what it wants and you get to be unemployed.
Works for me...


33 posted on 05/19/2012 11:16:11 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: DaveTesla

You’re right, there is nothing onerous about the agreement.

I wonder why the article didn’t print it? Because, if you are teaching in a Christian college, there really isn’t anything there to offend you.

I would be put off if I were asked to sign such a thing in any other context, but in this context it only makes sense.

Granted, anyone can sign it and not mean it; indeed, if you don’t agree with it and are teaching in a Christian college, you are already a bit of a fraud.

The alcohol portion of it might put off people from some backgrounds, but its a Baptist college and so the alcohol ban wouldn’t surprise any one expecting to teach at a Baptist college. If you want to teach at a Baptist institution, its reasonable to assume you are in agreement with Baptist thinking.


34 posted on 05/19/2012 11:24:16 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

It just sounds like a “public behavior” injunction. I dont think they actually intend to prevent any of their employees from drinking in bars or anywhere else. They are merely issuing legal warning that if you get FUed up and DUIed etc or DISORDed by local police, they can fire you for bringing discredit upon the institution.

Probably also trying to curb employee drinking parties (leading to excess).


35 posted on 05/20/2012 4:25:35 AM PDT by bakeneko
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To: SECURE AMERICA

“The College gets what it wants and you get to be unemployed.”

I wonder if they will legally collect unemployment claiming discrimination. Think about it.


36 posted on 05/20/2012 5:50:07 AM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: BwanaNdege; 4rcane

“Just sign it and pretend you’re living by those moral codes. I bet the smarter ones did that”

If Integrity means nothing to you, perhaps you might be happier at the Daily Kos, or Democratic Underground.

Do you truly believe that lying is fine if (supposedly) necessary to get that which you desire?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

4rcane actually has a point here. Many homos are still in the closet and are not with this “coming out” crowd. The more professional ones that is. Yes they would lie and sign it to keep their job. To them this is just a job even if at a baptist university.


37 posted on 05/20/2012 5:50:20 AM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Dogbert41

“And if you weren’t a Christian, why would you want to be there?”

To some it is just a university so it is just a job. Universities are big employers.


38 posted on 05/20/2012 5:50:30 AM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: 4rcane

It’s not smarter to be dishonest.


39 posted on 05/20/2012 6:09:47 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

The “best” would imply that it was alcohol. Usually the best wine was served first - when you could still taste it. After several drinks the sensitivity of your taste buds would be dulled by the alcohol. Then you served the poorer wine - because no one would be able to tell the difference at that point.

The simple fact is that wine was alcoholic. There is no dispute among actual reputable biblical scholars about this. None. That dispute only exists among latter day recent sects who do not believe in the consumption of alcohol.


40 posted on 05/20/2012 6:15:46 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: flying Elvis
Well, good for them for fighting it out, and good for the Supremes for backing them up.

This sort of back-door skullduggery is never a good thing.

And I say that as a Catholic -- let the Baptists be Baptists, and quit trying to make secular humanists (or Catholics, for that matter) out of them against their will.

41 posted on 05/20/2012 10:18:55 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Anyhow, how common is it to recognize someone in a restaurant?

You know what they say . . . Church of God don't recognize infant baptisms, Catholics don't recognize Mormon baptisms, and Baptists don't recognize each other at the liquor store . . . .

42 posted on 05/20/2012 10:23:02 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
That’s not what the article says. See post #10.

It might not be what the article says, but it's what the agreement they're making people sign says. I looked it up.

43 posted on 05/20/2012 9:54:55 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Morgana

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44 posted on 05/22/2012 7:48:57 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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