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1 posted on 05/23/2012 1:09:13 PM PDT by Gillibrand
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To: Gillibrand

Pope Benedict XVI kisses a child as he leaves at the end of the weekly audience in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican May 23, 2012.
2 posted on 05/23/2012 1:26:43 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Gillibrand
Is Kung still in the Catholic church?

Honestly, one thing that was said earlier was if the SSPX got let back in, all the liberals would leave.

3 posted on 05/23/2012 1:30:53 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Gillibrand

I thought he was dead.


4 posted on 05/23/2012 1:31:56 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: Gillibrand

I am increasingly convinced that SSPX and similar harbor the unwavering and ever-enduring thread of Catholicism that is the True Church. So it is more a matter of accepting the Vatican back.


5 posted on 05/23/2012 1:34:10 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Gillibrand
The Pope would also be definitely included within the Church invalidly ordained bishops and priests. According to the Apostolic Constitution of Pope Paul VI "Pontificalis Romani recognitio" of 18 July (Cathcon- he gets the month wrong- should be June) 1968 the consecration of bishops and ordination of priests by Archbishop Lefebvre are not only illicit but also invalid (Cathcon- see text where Pope Paul introduces new forms of words for consecration and ordination and declares these forms necessary for validity) .

Oooooh, that is comical. Guess what folks, not only have FSSP and Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest members been consecrated under the old form, but I believe a number of SSPX priests were taken into the FSSP without need of regularization, much less reordination (per conversation with Rev. Emerson). So, these "invalidly ordained" priests have been recognized by Rome for decades now.

For Fr. Kueng, the only authoritative years are between 1963 and 1971.
6 posted on 05/23/2012 1:42:02 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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Hans is super liberal has no weight in the Church.

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But did you see the Black and white footage of the pope becoming a priest on the bottom of the blog. 1951. Extraordinary footage!

Two Thousand years of Acts 6:6-7

Acts6:6 They presented these men to the apostles, who prayed and laid their hands on them. 7 So the word of God spread. The number of disciples in Jerusalem increased rapidly, and a large number of priests became obedient to the faith.

7 posted on 05/23/2012 1:58:14 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Gillibrand

All I know about Kung is that he was required reading at the Liberal, Feminist, Marxist, Liberation Theology Seminary where I once worked. (Back in the day...30 YEARS ago)

I didn’t read him, but I thought it was interesting.


8 posted on 05/23/2012 2:22:58 PM PDT by left that other site
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To: Gillibrand

Hans Kung is irrelevant, not to mention wrong.

Such forms apply to those who are bound to canonical form in union with the Catholic Church. Since schismatics were not in “union” with the Catholic Church, they were not consequently bound by the forms in use by the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church then does not suggest that they are invalid orders precisely because it would mean that they viewed the form in the Eastern Church as invalid.

This is a lame attempt at getting air time by an irrelevant theologian who’s mission is to sow discord against Christian unity.


9 posted on 05/23/2012 2:29:02 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: Gillibrand
From Our Lady's Warriors>Dissent

Hans K¸ng Former theologian condemned by the Vatican.

12 posted on 05/23/2012 2:33:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Kung is one of the propagandists who spun and twisted what Vatican II actually said and permitted in order to support the US Bishops who wanted to become Protestant in all but name.

Given that he unenthusiastically accepts and endorses euthanasia it's hard to believe he's even still Christian much less Catholic. He's been ragging on the Pope over the SSPX for three or four years now so why is his repeating the same old hokum even news?

15 posted on 05/23/2012 2:58:42 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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Freak extremes meet: Hans Küng becomes a Sedevacantist, declares Benedict XVI schismatic over SSPX

Not, this is not May Fools’ Day: heresiarch Hans Küng, who, “in his writings, has departed from the integral truth of Catholic faith, and therefore ... can no longer be considered a Catholic theologian nor function as such in a teaching role” (Declaration of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Dec. 15, 1979), has lost all notions of basic sacramental theology - and takes from this the most hilarious consequences. Or maybe he has just lost all shame, but that must have happened at the time of the Council.

Published today in the Südwest Presse:

HANS KÜNG - Papally provoked disobedience

Both in the official and in the alternative activities in the Mannheim Katholikentag*, the prevailing sentiment was one of resentment and frustration over the delayed reforms in the Church. In fierce contrast with that, Pope Benedict XVI prepares, apparently for Pentecost, the final reconciliation with the Catholic Church of the traditionalist Society of Saint Pius X, with its bishops and priests. This should happen even if the SSPX keeps rejecting key conciliar documents, having to be incorporated into the Church with the use of skillful canonical tactics. Before the Pope does this, he must be duly warned, not least by the bishops, because of the following:

1. The pope would be including in the Church bishops and priests that are definitely invalidly ordained. According to the Apostolic Constitution of Pope Paul VI “Pontificalis Romani recognitio”, of July 18, 1968, the ordination of bishops and priests by Archbishop Lefebvre is not only illegal but also invalid. This view is shared among others by a relevant member of the “Doctrinal Commission”, Karl Josef Becker, SJ, now a cardinal.**

2. With such a scandalous decision, Pope Benedict would, in his overall regretted isolation, be even more separated from the People of God. The classical doctrine regarding schism should be a warning to him. According to it, a schism of the Church happens when there is separation from the Pope, but also when the latter separates himself from the body of the Church. “Even the Pope could become a schismatic, if he will not guard the unity and communion proper to the whole body of the Church.” (Francisco Suárez, major Spanish theologian of the 16th/17th centuries).

3. A schismatic pope loses his position according to that same teaching of the constitution of the Church. At least, he cannot expect obedience. Pope Benedict would be therefore encouraging the already widespread popular movement of “disobedience” against a hierarchy that is disobedient to the Gospel. He would bear sole responsibility for the grave rift and the strife created inside the Church. Instead of reconciling with the ultra-conservative, anti-democratic, and anti-Semitic SSPX, the Pope should rather care about the majority of reform-minded Catholics and reconcile with the churches of the Reformation and the entire ecumenical movement. Thus he would unite, and not divide.

[*Rorate: the conference of Catholics in Germany that usually takes place every two years; the 2012 Katholikentag was held in Mannheim over the weekend. / ** This obviously makes no sense and Cardinal Becker would have never said such a thing. / - Source: Südwest Presse, in German - tip: German District of the SSPX.]


20 posted on 05/23/2012 5:19:36 PM PDT by narses
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To: Gillibrand
Had to laugh at how Kung seeks refuge in papal authority when it suits him.

He calls SSPX orders not only illicit but also invalid. How does he know? "Well, look......it's right here in this document written by Paul VI", says he, "the Pope said so!!" thus playing the ace card of papal authority when it suits his purpose.

Next moment, he's telling us that the current Pope has no authority and must be ignored and indeed, dismissed.

Comical and arbitrary fellow.

25 posted on 05/23/2012 6:56:04 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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