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Judge Should go to Jail, Not Pastor Who Taught Discipline of Children!
Email Subscription From Dr. Boys | June 2, 2012 | Don Boys, Ph.D.

Posted on 06/02/2012 7:46:09 PM PDT by John Leland 1789

Recently a Wisconsin judge seriously overreached her authority when she sentenced Philip Caminite, pastor of Aleitheia Bible Church to two years in prison for teaching his flock to discipline their children! Such illegal judicial actions are one reason many of us think many judges rank alongside used car salesmen, and I don’t mean to insult used car salesmen by the comparison. I suggest that Judge Maryann Sumi might improve her status by selling cars, not sending preachers to prison.

The pastor is to be supervised for six years after serving his time and is forbidden to have any contact with his church and to have no leadership in any church. So we have a court stomping on the constitutional rights of a preacher and telling him where he can go to church and forbidding him to follow his calling of preaching. I wonder if Maryann has ever read the First Amendment. If this case stands, it will be a Damocles sword hanging over the head of every preacher, priest, and rabbi in the nation. In fact, every church leader should preach on this subject next Sunday, and end with “No judge or any other official will tell me what to preach. Never, never, never.” Assistant District Attorney Shelly Rusch wanted the preacher to be sentenced to five years in prison and 15 years of extended supervision, calling him "the spoke in the wheel of this conspiracy." Shelly is as confused or radical as Maryann since the pastor was teaching what true preachers have taught for centuries. Sorry dear, not a conspiracy. Shelly should be back in her kitchen baking cookies. The judged said that the sentence, in part, was “intended to send a message that child abuse will not be tolerated and to prevent Caminiti from once again teaching members of his church to spank their children with wooden objects to cure them of selfishness.” The judge is not thinking or is skewed in her thinking since teaching people to discipline their children is not child abuse. In fact, I have always taught that parents who refuse to reasonably discipline their children (involving spanking for rebellion and disobedience) are child abusers!

Recent studies in the U.S. and Sweden prove that sparing the rod does spoil the child. Sweet little Johnny, without discipline, will become Big Bad John. Another study published in the Akron Law Review a couple years ago examined criminal records and found that children raised without spanking are much more likely to be involved in crime. Many anti-spanking “experts” have seen the light while the Wisconsin judge, prosecutor and the jury are still stumbling in the darkness.

The next time I have a speaking engagement in Wisconsin I will be sure to instruct my listeners to properly discipline their children. Maryann and Shelly are invited to attend and sit in the amen corner. They may even “hit the sawdust trail.” The preacher was not guilty of abusing a child; he was sent to prison for teaching parents to discipline their children! Since when does a judge, any judge, on any court have the authority to tell a preacher what he can teach? The judge is an idiot or a radical ideologue. Maryann whined that the preacher showed no indications of being remorseful or repentant, but then he should not be since he was teaching the truth. Maryann refused the preacher the courtesy of being free during the appeal, a privilege that is often given the most heinous criminals. Many judges think their rulings from the bench can make something just when it is unjust! It may be legal but it is not just. Many judges stand in front of a mirror awed with themselves in their black sheets indicating they have a messianic complex. They seem to be waiting for a vacancy in the Trinity! It is common for them to think they can walk on water, maybe explaining why so many judges are all wet.

I am convinced the real child abusers are incompetent, intolerant, and insensitive judges who send parents to jail and place well-adjusted children in state homes that are often rampant with sodomy, drugs, violence, etc. Of course, the state homes are licensed! There is no doubt that some judges are child abusers.

Prosecuting attorneys, determined to “cut another notch on their guns,” callously prosecute preachers and parents without regard to what is best for the children and, therefore, are child abusers.

Judges, police officers, and prosecutors along with the other child abusers—should go to jail! Yes, I know that jails are a bad environment filled with killers, rapists, drug dealers, child molesters, the scum of the earth, but I don’t think the judges, prosecuting attorneys, and zealous social workers will corrupt the inmates much further!

Pastors had better come out of the closet! March on the Bastille! Mount the barricades. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition; the ammunition being courage, commitment, conscience, and convictions. Your children and freedom to preach God’s message are in the balance!

Let’s kick officials out of office who abuse the rights of Christian leaders, and bring them before the bar of justice for their attacks on church and home leadership. In my opinion, the preacher should have told the judge she was out of order and her ruling would be totally ignored and she could hear him preach next Sunday at the Aleitheia Bible Church. Of course, he would go to jail immediately for contempt; but then, of course, he would be guilty of contempt of court, even though totally justified.

Surely he will be set free when his case comes before sensible people and he should sue the prosecutor, the judge, and the county for religious discrimination, kidnapping, interference with Christian worship, and anything else that can be thrown in.

Moreover, this is a perfect example that cries for jury nullification, but then, that’s another day.

Copyright 2012, Don Boys, Ph.D.

(Dr. Don Boys is a former member of the Indiana House of Representatives, author of 14 books, frequent guest on television and radio talk shows, and wrote columns for USA Today for 8 years. Three years ago, the second edition of ISLAM: America's Trojan Horse! was published, and his new eBook, The God Haters is available for $9.99 from www.thegodhaters.com. These columns go to newspapers, magazines, television, and radio stations. His other web sites are www.cstnews.com and www.Muslimfact.com. Contact Don for an interview or talk show.)


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To: Thumper1960

or that your ego is still out of control


51 posted on 06/03/2012 10:48:33 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Your opinion.
As we know, opinions are like anuses....everyone has one, and many of them stink.


52 posted on 06/04/2012 1:38:13 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: markomalley

You have reproduced for us the take of the liberal media on these episodes.


53 posted on 06/04/2012 7:52:41 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: markomalley
The only picture "painted" by Dr. Boys is that the pastor was not convicted of child abuse, but for preaching and teaching what the Bible says. He was sentenced for teaching something, and something that has been taught by Bible-believing people since the days of Solomon, or earlier.

The pastor was not himself convicted for abusing any child.

Furthermore, the judge has determined that this pastor cannot again assume the office of pastor of any church after is prison sentence is up. This is far, far, over-reaching.

There is always the possibility of parents, taking the teachings of Proverbs on corporeal discipline, to an un-biblical extreme. The discipline of Proverbs cannot put a child in danger of death, for starters (Proverbs 23:13).

There are thousands of Biblicist pastors and Bible teachers all over this country, yea, tens or hundreds of thousands of us worldwide who still teach child discipline literally from the Bible, and also apply it in our homes and families (the seven children in my home have all had "wooden objects" used on their posteriors and the fleshy portions on the back of their thighs, and at early ages when it is most effective in subjecting the will, spirit and mindset of the child to those of the parents).

There is always the possibility of some people who hear us teach the Scriptures not using Biblical reason and going beyond what is proper with their own children.

At this point, Dr. Boys (who is not novice at researching the topics on which he writes), and we ourselves, are looking at the fact in this case that the pastor has been convicted and sentenced for teaching the Biblical texts on the use of the rod (could be "wooden objects"), and not for abusing any child.

We surmise that if we (Dr. Boys and I) were living in the same judicial jurisdiction, we would encounter the very same treatment from the same prosecutors and judge simply for our teaching, and not for abusing any child.

This judge apparently believes that any use of the rod on a child is wrong and punishable in her court. She is one who has been trained in this way of liberal, anti-Christian, anti-Biblical, anti-Christian-heritage way of lawmaking from the judicial bench. I doubt that any Wisconsin law gives her this authority.

54 posted on 06/04/2012 8:19:41 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Thumper1960

Your responses get sillier and sillier. every time you try and ‘put me in my place’ you end up proving who you are. I truly do hope you get your anger levels under control. I will carry you in my thoughts and prayers


55 posted on 06/04/2012 10:38:07 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: John Leland 1789
The pastor was not himself convicted for abusing any child.

True.

He was convicted of conspiracy to commit child abuse:

From a related news article:

A Black Earth pastor was found guilty Wednesday of eight counts of conspiracy to commit child abuse for advocating the use of wooden rods to spank children as young as two months.

A Dane County jury took only about two hours to find Philip Caminiti, 54, pastor of the Aleitheia Bible Church, guilty of having instructed members of his flock to punish children as young as infants and toddlers by striking them on the bare buttocks with wood dowels in order to teach them to behave correctly, fitting the church's literal interpretation of the Bible

From the original news article (before the conviction):

"During interviews with detectives, Phil expressed his belief that the Bible dictates the use of a rod over a hand to punish children. He stated that children only a few months old are 'worthy' of the rod and that by 'one and a half months,' a child is old enough to be spanked," according to the sheriff's office release.

"Throughout the investigation, the church members were open with detectives about their 'Spare the rod, spoil the child' philosophy. They described using wooden dowels and wooden spoons on the bare skin of children, starting as young as 2 months old," the sheriff's office said.

You said:

There is always the possibility of some people who hear us teach the Scriptures not using Biblical reason and going beyond what is proper with their own children.

And that is the point.

I, too, believe that a little corporal punishment, applied in a dispassionate manner, at the appropriate young age, is a very effective means of helping a youngster develop self-discipline. That's why it's in the Scriptures.

But 1-1/2 months? 2 months? Are you kidding me??????

A 1-1/2 month old or 2 month old is not even old enough to crawl, much less show any kind of disobedience.

Look, the overall point is correct: the State would love nothing more than to take over the rearing of children. And the State would love nothing more than to eradicate all Christian values from childrearing. And the State would not want to see us raise disciplined children who are actually able to accomplish something. And the State would love to control what is preached inside a church. Sure, absolutely.

But Dr. Boys could have picked one heck of a better example to illustrate his overall point. This example is just plain wrong. Sorry if you can't see that.

56 posted on 06/04/2012 3:18:59 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
You know, of course, that prosecutors and judges like this would take the same view of five or six year-old (and probably any age) children receiving corporeal discipline. You are aware that their legal and social education alike are informing them that "spanking," "use of the rod," or any expression one wishes to use, is entirely unacceptable.

I do not believe that the 2-1/2 to 2 month-old stuff is the issue, although prosecutors know that the younger . . . the more emotional response can be pulled to their real issue, which is, ALL "paddling" is verboten.

57 posted on 06/04/2012 4:52:55 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
You know, of course, that prosecutors and judges like this would take the same view of five or six year-old (and probably any age) children receiving corporeal discipline. You are aware that their legal and social education alike are informing them that "spanking," "use of the rod," or any expression one wishes to use, is entirely unacceptable.

I'm right there with you. The progressives would outlaw all forms of discipline...not just corporal discipline.

I do not believe that the 2-1/2 to 2 month-old stuff is the issue

I read the OP and was outraged and was going to post about the incident (using a news article) on "another board." I always fact-check anything I post elsewhere...preferring to post a news article and then opining about it myself, rather than posting an email. So I checked on the pastor's name and the church's name and came up with this. Wow.

Yes, for the courts, the age is probably not the main issue. The mere fact that corporal discipline was applied was, undoubtedly the main issue for them. But for me...the age was the Only issue. Take a good precept and take it 1,000,000 miles too far. It ruined the author's entirely valid points.

58 posted on 06/04/2012 5:36:04 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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