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Most Christians Have No Idea What Mormons Believe [LDS truth claims oft' tucked away by Mormons]
Christian Newswire ^ | June 7, 2012

Posted on 06/10/2012 9:38:54 AM PDT by Colofornian

TORRANCE, Calif., June 7, 2012 /Christian Newswire/ -- There are more than a dozen key differences in the beliefs of Christians and Mormons, yet most Christians have no idea.

In a recent article in the Christian magazine, World, author Joel Belz made this statement:

"A huge majority of the American public has no idea what Mormons claim to believe. If those holding to the Mormon faith were to place their distinctive truth claims front and center, the public response would be probing, negative, and nasty." -- World Magazine, God's World Publications, online June 16, 2012 edition (Vol. 27, No. 12)

For starters, official Mormon teachings include the belief that God the Father was once a man who progressed to godhood and that worthy men may one day become gods themselves.

On the topic of Jesus, official Mormon doctrine holds that Jesus' death on the cross did not provide full atonement for all sin. There is no concept of the Trinity. Rather, Mormonism is polytheistic, having multiple gods.

Everyone -- whether you are religious or just curious -- should know the differences. A free side-by-side comparison chart showing differences between Mormonism and Christianity is available as a free download for your computer or iPad. It can be printed for personal or group use. This objective chart simple compares the beliefs of Mormonism and Christianity in eight key areas.

Go to: www.rose-publishing.com/Assets/ClientPages/mormon_landing.aspx to download the free comparison chart.

Rose Publishing is a Christian publishing company that specializes in comparison charts of religious groups and church denominations that help Christians understand biblical basics. The company takes no political stance.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: antiromneyism; beliefs; bigotelsie; christians; inman; lds; mormon; shameonelsie
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From the release: In a recent article in the Christian magazine, World, author Joel Belz made this statement: "A huge majority of the American public has no idea what Mormons claim to believe. If those holding to the Mormon faith were to place their distinctive truth claims front and center, the public response would be probing, negative, and nasty." -- World Magazine, God's World Publications, online June 16, 2012 edition (Vol. 27, No. 12) For starters, official Mormon teachings include the belief that God the Father was once a man who progressed to godhood and that worthy men may one day become gods themselves. On the topic of Jesus, official Mormon doctrine holds that Jesus' death on the cross did not provide full atonement for all sin. There is no concept of the Trinity. Rather, Mormonism is polytheistic, having multiple gods.

Proof re: atonement lacking in Mormonist teachings:

#1 Christ's atonement covers our sin nature...something Mormons even deny that humankind has (a sin nature)

What do I mean by a sin nature?
Allow us all to filter our understanding thru the Living Word -- Jesus Christ: 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. (Matthew 15:19)

Our heart isn't simply corrupted by the sin we allow into our lives; no, Jesus says that it's our heart that spills over into enacted sin...

Let's go back to Jewish theological thought from a long time ago:
* Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. (Psalm 51:5) [Based on this verse, Joseph Smith & Mormons call the Psalmists a liar on this...they think the Psalms teaches falsely on this]
* Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward... (Psalm 58:3)

What people mix up is that they think the Garden happens all over again at some point in their life: something environmental tempts them & then they sin "for the first time." Until then, they think they're innocent. [Mormons teach that children are perfect angels until age 8...I guess all those children's temper tantrums are just done to help parents be better people -- and no other "sinful" reason]

Unlike Adam & Eve, people do not simply sin & then become sinful; they sin because they are sinful by nature. The symptoms are the misdeeds -- not the diagnosis itself.

People's spiritual nature is dead (Eph. 2:1), which the New Testament describes as being in bondage to sin (Romans 6).

Now, in contrast what does the Mormon 2nd article of faith emphasize? It teaches that men are subject to punishment for their own sins; their Mormon "jesus" doesn't serve as our Substitute [LDS second article of faith: "We believe that men will be punished for their OWN sins, and not for Adam's transgression."]

IOW, not for Adam's sin nature that's been generationally passed down.

This, plain and simple, is heresy. And Mormons are heretics for denying all of the Biblical scriptures above.

#2 What is the other Lds "atonement" teaching that Lds conveniently ignore -- as taught by Lds "apostle" Jeffery Holland in the Mormon hierarchy?

Answer?

Well, God bless her, Greyfoxx39 posted this relevant thread a few years back:
ATONEMENT OF JESUS CHRIST - Mormon- (OPEN)

From this link, Lds "apostle" Jeffrey Holland claims forgiveness of personal sins applies to ONLY to members of the Mormon church:

From that Holland message: Latter-day Saints believe that other aspects of Christ's gift are conditional upon obedience and diligence in keeping God's commandments. For example, while members of the human family are freely and universally given a reprieve from Adam's sin through no effort or action of their own, they are not freely and universally given a reprieve of their own sins unless they pledge faith in Christ, repent of those sins, are baptized in his name, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and confirmation into Christ's church...

Notice from the above quote all that Mormons might "leave out" in a convo with you on this subject.
* The Mormon version of the atonement doesn't "take" minus your "obedience" and diligent command-keeping;
* And that people "are not freely and universally given a reprieve of their own sins unless they are baptized in his name...and confirmation into Christ's church...

Per Mormonism, what is the ONLY true church on the face of the earth? The Mormon church...no membership...no atonement (payment for your sin; at-one-ment reconciliation with the Father) for you.

Snapshot of Joseph Smith’s Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects

Mormon Source

[Note: Most of these are Mormon ‘scriptures'. In fact, First three rows below are Lds 'scripture' & therefore cannot be rug-swept any more than a Jew might try to take three commandments off of the very tablets of stone Moses brought down from the mountain]
“...which of all the sects was right… must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG… those professors were ALL CORRUPT…” Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
...“which of all the sects was right…ALL their CREEDS were an ABOMINATION in his sight…they teach for doctrines the commandments of MEN…” Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
Mormon church the only ‘Christ-sanctioned’ church on earth: “…the foundation of this [Mormon] church…the ONLY true and living church on the face of the whole earth [Obvious ‘scorched earth’ implication: All other churches are false and dead] Lds “scripture” Doctrines & Covenants 1:30

Jesus is THE Spiritual Physician of spiritual physicians.

He didn't say jump thru these commandment & membership hoops, oh wretched spiritually infirmed one...oh, spiritual cancerous person, & then we'll talking about covering your sin.

No, God in Christ levels the playing field before the cross by undercutting any spiritual pride that presumes anybody from any religion doesn’t need Him as our great physician ("It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick...For I have NOT COME to call the righteous, but sinners."--Matthew 9:12)

The atonement is for us unhealthy sinners...not just membership Mormons in good standing to collect a series of temple recommends from Bishop Romney & the rest of the Lds bishops...

We join with the apostle Paul in declaring the TRUE Gospel:

* But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were STILL SINNERS, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)
* Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. (1 Timothy 1:15)
* But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would BELIEVE in him and RECEIVE eternal life. (1 Timothy 1:16)

1 posted on 06/10/2012 9:39:09 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From the release: For starters, official Mormon teachings include the belief that God the Father was once a man who progressed to godhood and that worthy men may one day become gods themselves. On the topic of Jesus, official Mormon doctrine holds that Jesus' death on the cross did not provide full atonement for all sin. There is no concept of the Trinity. Rather, Mormonism is polytheistic, having multiple gods.

How can we tell that the Mormon god is distinct from THE God of the Bible?

(1) LDS "Apostle" Bruce McConkie wrote, "The Father is a glorified, perfected resurrected, exalted man who worked out his own salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, pg. 64).

As somebody once pointed out...Notice McConkie's use of the word "resurrected" and the phrase, "worked out his salvation." Only those who die can be resurrected, and only those who are lost need salvation.

Bottom-line here:

Mormon leaders have taught that Heavenly Father needed "salvation!" And, since death came due to sin (either your own, or in Jesus' case, someone else's), whose sin caused Heavenly Father to die, Mormons? Whose sin was around that prompted his death? His own?

Also, please note another aspect of this Lds "apostle's" claim: He said Heavenly Father is a "perfected...exalted man." Interesting. Why did He say "perfected" -- vs. "perfect? This Lds "apostle" claimed Heavenly Father needed a spiritual makeover and needed to be perfectED!!!

(I guess that shows you what kind of sinner-saved god Mormons REALLY embrace!!!)

(2) What other Lds general authority comment supports the notion that Lds worship a sinner-saved god?

Well, after B.H. Roberts, the next "deep theologian" to fill the ranks of Mormonism was Lds "apostle" James E. Talmage.

Here's how Talmage weighed in on this: "...but though the Son is glorified with the glory of the Father, you can't change the fact that He is the Son of that Father,
and that Father,
the Eternal Father,
the Father of Jesus Christ,
the Father of His spirit
and the Father of His body,
was once a Man,
and has progressed,
not by any favor but by the right of CONQUEST OVER SIN,
and over death,
to His present position of priesthood and power,
of Godship and Godliness,
as the Supreme Being whom we all profess to worship"
(James E. Talmage, Conference Reports, April 1915, p. 123).

So there ya go! Talmage says the Mormon god "progressed...to His present position of...Godship". He got the "godship" job! And how did he manage that? Well he won via a "Conquest over sin"!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and death)

Hmmm...the Mormon elohim was a sinner!!!! (says a prominent Lds "apostle" still repeatedly cited by the Mormon church and by Mormon leaders)

Per the Mormon Journal of Discourses: "God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we are, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is" (Lds "apostle" Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 1:123).

So. Mormon leaders have stated that Elohim (God the Father), as a mortal on some distant planet similar to Earth, went through the same struggles as present-day humans in order to obtain his Godhood. In the words of LDS Apostle Orson Hyde, "God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we are," HYDE is claiming GOD (our Heavenly Father) was mortal like we are. To be consistent, HYDE is claiming mortality for GOD, so it would have to include "a sinful nature".

Well, again, we know from history that mortality was provoked by things having to do with a tree. In the book of Genesis, it was rebellion (sin) by picking fruit from a forbidden tree. And for Jesus, it was donning a tree (the cross) to pay for the fruit of Adam & Eve's sin passed down throughout mankind. So sin was linked to mortality somehow -- either thru direct sin or indirectly taking on the sin of others.

So, again, if the Mormon elohim was mortal, why? Was it his sin -- or that of another?

Other Lds leaders even elaborated a bit beyond that: "The doctrine that God was once a man and has progressed to become a God is unique to this Church. How do you feel, knowing that God, through His own experience, 'knows all that we know regarding the toils [and] sufferings' of mortality?" (Brigham Young, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young, p. 34, brackets in original)

So Brigham claimed the Mormon god knows all about the "toils & sufferings" of mortality from firsthand experience!!!

And another Lds "apostle," Orson Whitney, emphasized that "Mormonism teaches that God was once just like ourselves; that the eternal part of Him was enshrined in mortal flesh, subject to mortal ills and earthly pains and toils." (Orson F. Whitney, May 6, 1892, Collected Discourses 3:45)

So perhaps the "best" way for us to describe the Mormon god, per their "apostles," is to first ask Mormons to describe themselves, since Whitney says he "was once JUST LIKE OURSELVES!" That not only includes mortal flesh, but mortal ills. (And guess what prompted mortal ills?) That's right, sin.

(3) Finally, consider what two other Lds "apostles" claimed:
"God and man are of the same race, differing only in their degress of advancement" (John A. Witdsoe, Rational Theololgy, 1915, p. 61)
Wow!!!
And: "Gods, angels, and men are all of one species, one race, one great family, widely diffused among the planetary systems as colonies, kingdoms, nations, etc." (Parley P. Pratt, The Key to the Science of Theology, 1978, p. 21)

Parley P. Pratt, btw, is Mitt Romney's G-G grandfather! (And Romney says he is sticking to the "faith of his fathers!")

So...if ya wanna know the gods of Mitt Romney & his fellow Mormons...well...if you saw aliens from another planet, and one said they were humanoid just like us, and another said, "Yeah, I'm humanoid, too. But I'm also divine." Well, there's your Mormon master race! Aliens from heavens, Mormons all of them, some claiming to be man-made gods, and others claiming to be future man-made gods.

The Mormon "apostles" -- the entire bunch -- are whacko heretics!

2 posted on 06/10/2012 9:45:32 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: All
From the release: For starters, official Mormon teachings include the belief that God the Father was once a man who progressed to godhood and that worthy men may one day become gods themselves. On the topic of Jesus, official Mormon doctrine holds that Jesus' death on the cross did not provide full atonement for all sin. There is no concept of the Trinity. Rather, Mormonism is polytheistic, having multiple gods. Don't Mormons realize that lack of respect of their so-called "theology" is tied to the reality that their "theology" is actually anthropology?

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie:
"According to [Mormon] revelation...
...he is a...
personal Being
a holy and exalted Man
a glorified, resurrected Personage [news flash: The Mormon god they pray "Our Father" to died at some point before the Mormon Jesus became his son]
having a tangible body of flesh and bones [I guess the apostle John was wrong, eh, about God being Spirit -- see John 4:23-24]
an ANTHROPOMORPHIC ENTITY,
the personal Father of the spirits of all men [this last means there's a mom-god @ Kolob w/whom this God had sex with to yield your spirit before you came to earth]
Source: Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 250

I mean, come now: Who wants an anthropomorphic entity --a man-made religion about a man who made his godhood level by landing the "god job" -- whose divinity didn't precede His anthro aspects?

Mitt Romney is a direct descendent of Parley P. Pratt, a Mormon "apostle." Mitt Romney's ancestor taught:
"Gods, angels, and men are all of
one species,
one race,
one great family,
widely diffused among the planetary systems as colonies, kingdoms, nations, etc.
Source: The Key to the Science of Theology, 1978, p. 21

So what? Why should Romney be linked to what his ancestors taught? Well, because Romney himself provided such a linkage!

Mitt Romney, Dec, 2007, speaking @ the George Bush Presidential Library: "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers – I will be true to them and to my beliefs.

Mormon "theology" that essentially says the Mormon man-gods & man-angels bounce around the universe and thereby arrive on planet earth as essentially aliens. And Mitt "confesses" and "professes" this as the "faith...of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs."

Lds "apostle" John Widtsoe originally published in 1915 called Rational Theology.

Widtsoe in that book slandered God, reducing him to be of slime and then mortal origins:
"God and man are of the same race..." (Widtsoe, p. 61)

3 posted on 06/10/2012 9:47:28 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

Jews don ‘t believe Jesus is God. Gonna try scaring people about them too?


4 posted on 06/10/2012 10:03:15 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: Colofornian

Whichever way you cut it, Mormons are not Christians.

But then again, neither is Obama and the country has reached a point that to have a Christian in the WH is of no importance any more.

I am not sure, but nowhere does it state in the Constitution that the POTUS must belong to a Christian denomination.

With the way we promote diversity and multiculturalism, it is highly likely that we will have a Buddhist in the WH in the not too distant future. And even a convinced atheist cannot be contitutionally barred from that position. (I don’t think.)


5 posted on 06/10/2012 10:06:47 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: mimaw

At least Jews and Christians worship the same God.

Mormonism is a cult.


6 posted on 06/10/2012 10:07:50 AM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: Colofornian

I am not at all sure most Mormons know what they are supposed to believe. The LDS church has for decades if not more than a century been promoting itself as an offshoot of conventional New Testament Christianity. The more bizarre and sometimes laughable teachings of Joseph Smith are downplayed, denied, or have been reversed altogether by his successor “prophets”.


8 posted on 06/10/2012 10:24:31 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Colofornian

It is true most Christians have no idea. We have seen it a lot on here, people come in defending Mormons as nice people and “Christians” then find out what the Mormon church really believes and teaches and go ‘SAY WHAT?!?!?’

Also, it needs to be pointed out that the Mormon missionaries FLAT OUT LIE about Mormon teaches to potential converts, so you hear one set of things and teachings before you join and once you join you find out the rest of the stuff.

That is part of the reason why there is an over 50% inactivity rate among converts the first year here in the US.

No church should have to lie to either its members or the outside world - one more proof they are a cult.


9 posted on 06/10/2012 10:26:55 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To the headline: yep, and I will add many mormons don’t know what they beleive, as in actually teachings.


10 posted on 06/10/2012 10:29:29 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: katana; Colofornian

I am not at all sure most Mormons know what they are supposed to believe.

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Part of that is the complete lack of systematic theology in Mormonism. Thier theology is haphazard which makes it easier to keep control on its members (harder to see the contradictions) and easier to dismiss its critics (”we don’t believe that anymore” cry even though many members do)

The things listed in the OP are very common teachings and would be known by all members.


11 posted on 06/10/2012 10:30:43 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: mimaw

Christians and Jews believe in the same God. Where as mormons not only believe in many godS, they also teach they will become one.


12 posted on 06/10/2012 10:31:27 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: katana

I should add that LDS has no appeal whatsoever to me. But I am not going to condemn individual Mormons for being members of what I find to be a laughable concoction church created by a skilled and charismatic 19th century con artist. When thinking of Islam and Scientology all I can say is: I have seen worse faiths a person might choose to follow than the LDS.


13 posted on 06/10/2012 10:32:04 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: katana

All lead a person’s soul away from God: islam, scientology and mormonism.


14 posted on 06/10/2012 10:35:22 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: reaganaut

I have no idea what the Mormon church teaches BUT I did live in Idaho and knew many Mormons. They were all good people, very community oriented, helped non Mormons as often as Mormons, were great friends, parents, and neighbors. I never saw any freaky rituals or cult like activities. On the occasion a whacked out Mormon made the news for a too young wife they called for his castration as fast as I did and none of them I knew had a wife that would tolerate another woman at all.


15 posted on 06/10/2012 10:41:44 AM PDT by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: svcw
All lead a person’s soul away from God: islam, scientology and mormonism.

I cannot and don't disagree with you. The comment I gave was intended as a counterpoint to the subject of how little Christians know about the details of Mormon theology. The Mormons I have known don't seem to have much if any better idea themselves. They believe they are Christians.

16 posted on 06/10/2012 10:45:34 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: mimaw
Jews don ‘t believe Jesus is God. Gonna try scaring people about them too?

When they start claiming to be the only true Christians, yes.

17 posted on 06/10/2012 10:46:25 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Obama versus Romney? Cyanide versus arsenic.)
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To: enduserindy

I never saw any freaky rituals or cult like activities

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Temple rituals? Secret underwear? The level of control? what you eat, how you dress, what you read, not thinking for yourself, long hours of monotone repetitive lectures (conference)? All of those are freaky rituals and cult like activities.

I can give you many more examples. BTW, they are only nice to ‘gentiles’ (all non-Mormons even Jews) in hopes you might convert - you should hear how they talk about you to each other!


18 posted on 06/10/2012 10:53:13 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian
I don't care what his religious beliefs are....at this point I'll take an atheist over Obama!!!
20 posted on 06/10/2012 10:58:44 AM PDT by ontap
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To: amihow

This is the religion forum and discussion about mormonism. If you are not interested in the discussion, why not just move along?
Oh, and since the words are the words from lds sources, what is wrong about them?


21 posted on 06/10/2012 10:59:50 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: reaganaut
you should hear how they talk about you to each other!

Is it as bad as you talk about them???

22 posted on 06/10/2012 11:03:09 AM PDT by ontap
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To: amihow

Catholics think you Protestants are heretics. Jews don’t believe Jesus was the Son of God.

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Actually, Catholics consider protestants brethren, separated brethren but consider us to be Christians.

Jews aren’t claiming to be Christians.

Mormons claim to be the only Christians, while at the same time insulting every basic Christian belief and lying about their beliefs. Christians are called to fight that - deal with it.

Your small mind can’t grasp this goes way beyond Mittens. We were fighting Mormonism before Mitt ever ran and we will continue to do so when he is a long bad memory.

BTW, this is on the RELIGION forum, if you can’t stand the heat, then go back to the News/Activism forum. If you have no care for souls then that is not my problem, go back to your narrow little world.

And I’m not voting for either Mitt or Obama. The GOP has screwed conservatives over one too many times.


23 posted on 06/10/2012 11:03:51 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: amihow
I'm curious, at what point in reading the entries on this thread and the article of its origin did you imagine the thread was about Milt Rominy? The thread is about MormonISM, which is not a form of Christianity. I have no doubt that some LDS adherents are Christians, but they are seen by God's eye not mine and they didn't become Christians by adhering to MormonISM and the blasphemies and heresies at the heart of the LDS inc religion.

Again, just what point int he thread prior to your post did you read this thread was about Romney?

24 posted on 06/10/2012 11:04:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: amihow

Let me help you out, the first reference is found in post #2. The thread article does not mention Romney.


25 posted on 06/10/2012 11:06:36 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: ontap

Is it as bad as you talk about them???

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Far, far worse, ontap. Far worse.

I at least speak the truth and have been on both sides of the fence. One of the things that always bothered me when I was LDS was why we wanted to be considered ‘just another Christian denomination’ when we hated Christians so much and we were the ‘only true church’. My Mission Prep professor explained it was easier to get them to convert if we didn’t tell them what we really believed or believed about them.

I can give you sources by LDS leaders that show my point.


26 posted on 06/10/2012 11:07:14 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian

I oppose all polygamy. I oppose closet polygamy and I oppose bringing closet polygamy into the open so as to mainstream polygamy. Marriage =. one man + one woman.

Reject Romney. Reject Obama. Reject all evil.

And, polygamy is evil.


27 posted on 06/10/2012 11:07:33 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: katana

Although not tied to Romney in this thread, THAT IS a concern, when a man about to obtain immense power, believes such lies.


28 posted on 06/10/2012 11:07:33 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Graybeard58
Get off it! So while we are at it.

Lets blame Christian's for the Spanish Inquisition and other forms of it over the ages.

Lets blame the Jews for the death of Christ.

PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES

I am very close to leaving Free Republic, I did not vote for Mitt in the Florida Primary, but he has won the GOP nod fair & square.

I have been inpressed how Mitt and his campaign has been fighting, their jabs and counter punches have been hurting Obama's campaign. He is fightning the campaign, we watched McLame just roll over four years ago. I am happy to see somebody fightning against Obama.
29 posted on 06/10/2012 11:07:47 AM PDT by TheShaz
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To: enduserindy; amihow; reaganaut; Graybeard58; svcw; Zakeet; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla
I never saw any freaky rituals or cult like activities.

That's because in order to see the "freaky rituals or cult like activities" you have to be "temple worthy".

Tell me that the following rituals are NOT freaky and cult like!

LDS Temple Ceremony Click HERE

In order to be "temple worthy" a member must satisfactorily answer the following questions from their bishop in order to have a "recommend" that is required to enter the doors of the temple.

There were SEVERAL temples in Idaho when you resided there, right?

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Temple Recommend questions.


1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?


No Christian church requires this kind of interrogation of its members, not to mention the controlling of what members wear. drink, who they associate with, nor whether they tithe.

Cult? Yep!

30 posted on 06/10/2012 11:09:57 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: svcw

Why do they think every LDS thread is about Mittens and use it as excuse to pimp the liberal? We were doing this long before Mittens and we will do it long afterwards.

BTW, talked to another woman who just left the LDS church and came to Christ a couple of months ago. God be praised!


31 posted on 06/10/2012 11:15:51 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: katana

The Mormons I have known don’t seem to have much if any better idea themselves.

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Or perhaps they just aren’t telling you. I know I didn’t tell gentiles much of what we believed when I was LDS under the guise of ‘milk before meat’.


32 posted on 06/10/2012 11:17:58 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian

Romney may be a Mormon. Not many people are not up on many of Mormon teachings.

Obama is vague on what he is. Obama fits the bill on being a Muslim in some ways & a Marxist in some ways.


33 posted on 06/10/2012 11:31:36 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Colofornian

Romney may be a Mormon. Not many people are not up on many of Mormon teachings.

Obama is vague on what he is. Obama fits the bill on being a Muslim in some ways & a Marxist in some ways.


34 posted on 06/10/2012 11:33:17 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Colofornian

South Park did an excellent job of educating millions on the foundation of Mormonism.


35 posted on 06/10/2012 11:42:06 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Teacher317

South Park did an excellent job of educating millions on the foundation of Mormonism.

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The funny thing about the SP episode on Mormonism is that what is in the episode is what the LDS missionaries ADMIT to and it doesn’t even cover the really strange doctrines...

God had sex with Mary, Jesus was a polygamist, Adam is God, we will become Gods, Heavenly Mother, Jesus was a sinner, God was a sinner, the Temple endowment (really freaky and poorly written to boot)....


36 posted on 06/10/2012 11:46:09 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: TheShaz

This is the religion forum, if you are not interested in discussion moronism, maybe you should just move along.


37 posted on 06/10/2012 11:48:36 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Tau Food
polygamy is evil (I think you mean, "polygyny")

Of course it's much better for successful men to have have mistresses instead of multiple wives, and for single women, even teenage girls, to run wild in the streets and have babies.

And it's better for a successful man to have only one wife, that way a lot of women either end up with losers or alone until they die.

Sure--monogamy is a much better system. But strange, isn't it, that monogamous societies are so rare throughout history, that one would think monagamy abnormal.

38 posted on 06/10/2012 12:02:09 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Colofornian

Jeffrey Holland claims forgiveness of personal sins applies to ONLY to members of the Mormon church:
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Good thing for me I believe the Bible version where the LORD Jesus Christ said,

“For God so loved Nana and all the rest of the world that He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN Son that if Nana and whosoever else believes in Him, she and whosoever else will have eternal life” John 3:16


39 posted on 06/10/2012 12:14:20 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Age of Reason; Jim Robinson; Colofornian; svcw

Did you miss the memo that this site does not condone or support polygamy?

Marriage is between only one man and one woman.

Aside from that, your presumptions and conclusions are fallacious. Why don’t you ask women who have escaped polygamy? They will tell you it is pure hell and abusive to women.


40 posted on 06/10/2012 12:28:04 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian

Most mormons i’ve met are nice and moral people but it is absurd for anyone to consider them Christian. They are part of a related religion but they are not Christian.


41 posted on 06/10/2012 12:45:31 PM PDT by Woodsman27
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To: Colofornian
We know what Obama says he believes - does anyone believe he believes what he says he believes?

Hell, a lot of Christians belive things other Christians don't believe, else we wouldn't have some 37,000 sects of Christianity to choose from...

42 posted on 06/10/2012 12:50:54 PM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: mimaw
Jews don ‘t believe Jesus is God.

Patience FRiend, patience. They will.
43 posted on 06/10/2012 12:59:31 PM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

PREACH Nana, Preach!!! :)


44 posted on 06/10/2012 1:01:41 PM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: Colofornian

You a are a troll and you seriously need to get a life that goes beyond trashing the LDS.

I assume that you’ll be voting for Obama?


45 posted on 06/10/2012 1:04:09 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Age of Reason
Sure--monogamy is a much better system. But strange, isn't it, that monogamous societies are so rare throughout history, that one would think monagamy abnormal.

That's got nothing to do with it. MOST men, if they think about it for a minute, will ask themselves the question "do I want MORE than one mother-in-law?", and the answer almost every time will be H*LL NO!!!!. :)
46 posted on 06/10/2012 1:04:50 PM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: Jean S; Colofornian; All
You a are a troll and you seriously need to get a life that goes beyond trashing the LDS.

Colofornian was here on FR before I arrived in 2003. He is no troll and your '98 sign up date notwithstanding, you ought to know that. What chapter of the Mormon Church do you belong to?

I assume that you’ll be voting for Obama?

Did you forget that when you 'assume', you make an 'ass' out of 'u' but not 'me' (as in not Colofornian)?

Don't be slinging that troll-word around unless you can back it up.
47 posted on 06/10/2012 1:09:28 PM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: mimaw
Jews don ‘t believe Jesus is God. Gonna try scaring people about them too?

(Jews don't counterfeit themselves as Christians, do they?)

48 posted on 06/10/2012 1:13:29 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: sauropod

At least Jews and Christians worship the same God.

Mormonism is a cult.

If there is a wedding in a christian church ANYONE can attend because the beliefs are open and there is nothing to hide. If there is a wedding at the mormon temple ONLY mormans can attend and nobody else, how do they know if you’re morman? is there a secret handshake? a secret password?


49 posted on 06/10/2012 1:15:24 PM PDT by Chainsawj (Looks like I have NOBODY to vote FOR, I'll just vote againest the dems.......AGAIN.)
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To: svcw

You say it is not about Romney? How dumb do you think people are?

You know that the unspoken and sometime spoken issue is Romney, not Mormonism.

How many of you swearing to God will say that you intend to vote for Romney and will encourage others to do the same?


50 posted on 06/10/2012 1:18:16 PM PDT by amihow
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