I’m a Mormon, Not a Christian [Mega hit piece on Christians]

New York Times ^ | June 12, 2012 | David V. Mason

[greyfoxx39]

................... Mormons seem to be everywhere.

I want to be on record about this. I’m about as genuine a Mormon as you’ll find — a templegoer with a Utah pedigree and an administrative position in a congregation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am also emphatically not a Christian.

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In addition, these Christians had to defend their use of additional scripture and their unconventional conception of God and explain why they were following a bumpkin carpenter from some obscure backwater. Early Christianity’s relationship with non-Jews was even worse. Roman writers frequently alluded to rumors about the cannibalistic and hedonistic elements of early Christian rites. One after the other, Christians went to the lions because they found it impossible to defend themselves against such outrageous accusations. They did eat flesh and drink blood every Sunday, after all.

Eventually, Christianity grew up and conceded that it wasn’t authentic Judaism. Lo and behold, once it had given up its claim to Judaism, it became a state religion — cannibalism notwithstanding — and spent the next 1,700 years getting back at all the bullies who had slighted it when it was a child.

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Whatever happens in November, I hope Mormonism eventually realizes that it doesn’t need Christianity’s approval and will get big and beat up all the imperious Christians who tormented it when it was small, weird and painfully self-conscious. Mormons are certainly Christian enough to know how to spitefully abuse their power.

[greyfoxx39]

NYT doing its part in taking Mitt's mormonism up front in the election...

I'm buying popcorn in bulk for the coming major media exposure of mormonism's arcane doctrine and beliefs.

The author is mistaken in his claim that the dispute is about Jesus. In fact, the dispute is about the claim that God was once a man and man may become a god if he only follows Joseph Smith's dictates.

[Terry Mross]

Everytime I read the first few sentences then have to check to make sure it’s not semi-satire.

[nhwingut]

NYT: Hey, let’s find a liberal (pretend) Mormon to write column attacking Mormonism, Romney and Christians all at the same time.

[kosciusko51]

Everytime I read the first few sentences then have to check to make sure it’s not semi-satire.

I know what you mean. I feel like I woke up in the Matrix or Wonderland sometimes.

[Vendome]

Weird article

[hitchwolf]

Well good, I hope so. The more attacks on Mormonism the better. I hope the people in the country do find out about that cult lunacy. I for one welcome it.

[Friendofgeorge]

The part I find most ironic about this article is this....

Most/many mainline Churches are NON Christian, most/all of NY Times readers that attend Churches are NON Christian, so I do not quite get the point.

A good test might be this...have you asked Jesus into your life, have you thanked him for dying on the Cross for your sins, might be a good starting point.

If you vote Democrat, you spit on Christ, you are saying killing 60 million plus of God`s children is just fine, you are saying that the Word of God (Christ) should be banned from the classroom/public square, and you are condoning and teaching young children (the ones that are not being aborted) that a homo life style is OK, even though GOD HAS SPOKEN VERY CLEARLY ON ALL THESE ISSUES.

a vote for democrat is to spit on Christ!

[Linda Frances]

They see how liberal romney is and is fluffing him up. They see he is no different than obama socially.

[isthisnickcool]

I know a lot of Mormons. As a group they include some of the finest people I have ever met. I’ll take a Mormon like Romney over a stupid gang banger wannabee dope smoking cocaine user like Obama any day.

Here are the creators of South Park having fun with Mormons. Pretty funny stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lCYqn2jcs

[Colofornian]

Mormons complain ALL THE TIME that their beliefs are "misrepresented" -- yet when a Mormon prominently misrepresents what Christians believe, it's ho-hum time, eh, Mormons?

How did this Mormon misrepresent Christians in the NY Times? Well...consider this statement: Christians respond that because Mormons don’t believe — in accordance with the Nicene Creed promulgated in the fourth century — that Jesus is also the Father and the Holy Spirit, the Jesus that Mormons have in mind is someone else altogether.

Jesus isn't also the Father and the Holy Spirit...Christianity has long repudiated this...which is called modalism (which, btw, was in early Mormonism--especially some of the Book of Mormon passages).

Now, Oneness Pentecostals are modalists...and believe this...but this wasn't taught in the Nicene Creed...

Christians believe 3 Persons; but so intimately connected they are one God. One Nature.

Even at the human level, a close-knit man and wife are "one" and "no longer two" -- says Jesus (Matthew 19). A family can be many, yet one family.

If a family and a couple can be more "one" beyond purpose and identity, then the very God who created family and instituted marriage can be recognized as a Component One!

[ScottinVA]

Ah, there it is. Rather than attack the LDS church directly the Slimes tries to play it shrewd by attempting to separate Romney from the Christian vote. I wonder of the Slimes will play this up 60 days in a row like they did as they invented stories about Abu Ghraib. Look for “horror stories” about Scientology-like. Clearly, the libs are showing their level of worry about Obama’s prospects in November.

It appears the DNC has issued the order to launch the attacks. Dangerous gambit, given Obama’s own “religious” background, though.

[ScottinVA]

Ah, there it is. Rather than attack the LDS church directly the Slimes tries to play it shrewd by attempting to separate Romney from the Christian vote. I wonder of the Slimes will play this up 60 days in a row like they did as they invented stories about Abu Ghraib. Look for “horror stories” about Scientology-like practices. Clearly, the libs are showing their level of worry about Obama’s prospects in November.

It appears the DNC has issued the order to launch the attacks. Dangerous gambit, given Obama’s own “religious” background, though.

[iowamark]

You have to admire the author’s honesty in admitting that Mormonism is non-Christian.

However, Mormonism is inherently changeable in a way that Judaism and Christianity are not. From a Christian point of view, we should be hoping that Mormons move, individually or collectively, toward Christianity.

[section9]

Full Stop.

The New York Times doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Mormonism. This is about creating a conflict between Christians and Mormons so enough Evangelicals stay home on Election Day to keep Chicago Jesus in the White House.

Don’t get played.

Best,

Chris

[svcw]

First I am going to going to say this is mormonism unveiled.

Then I am getting my bowl to share the popcorn, maybe a lemon aid to go with.

When will the FR mormons jump on the defend this person and his tirade against God Almighty, try and tell us "this is not the norm and while stamping their foot yell "I am too a Christian".

[Da Coyote]

The NYT is doing its normal incompetent job of trying to stir things up.

I know many Mormans. All are far, far, FAR above the Obamadork in terms of morality and intelligence.

The writer of this article is about as Mormon as Obama is a Christian.

Nice try, NYT.

Now, shove your paper up your smelly Obama and prepare for your upcoming unemployment.

[DannyTN]

"Most/many mainline Churches are NON Christian, most/all of NY Times readers that attend Churches are NON Christian, so I do not quite get the point."

I don't think that's the case. Most mainline churches believe the gospel. They agree on the nature of God and the nature of salvation. They place their trust in Jesus for forgiveness of their sins.

I think you've become too cynical about mainstream Christianity based on the crap that the MSM focuses on.

When you look at the size of the denominations that have embraced homosexuality, you find that they are small and since their abandonment of the scriptures they have shrunk dramatically.

[ScottinVA]

Here are the creators of South Park having fun with Mormons. Pretty funny stuff

Would've been nice of the South Park producers hadn't been cowed by muslims as they were about to have fun with Mohammed. That would've been some funny stuff, too, but they didn't have the courage.

[Patton@Bastogne]

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Chris ...

You're perfectly right ... the NYT is setting the stage for a MASSIVE pre-election defection from the GOP ...

by Evangelical Christians ...

in order to get Obama re-elected ...



One doesn't have to be Rommell or Petraus to figure that out ...


That's WHY "all" conservatives need to STOP Myth's "presumed" GOP 2012 Nomination ...

Period.

Or else ... America is doomed ...



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[svcw]

let’s find an liberal honest (pretend) Mormon to write a column attacking exposing Mormonism