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Anti-Mormon bias facing Mitt Romney is as strong as what his father faced in 1967, poll shows
Boston Globe ^ | June 21, 2012 | Callum Borchers

Posted on 06/22/2012 5:12:13 AM PDT by Colofornian

Mitt Romney faces an anti-Mormon bias just as strong as the one his father confronted during his own presidential run more than four decades ago, according to a Gallup poll.

Eighteen percent of Americans say that if their political party nominated “a generally well qualified person for president who happened to be Mormon,” they would not vote for that candidate. Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, is a devout Mormon who once presided over the church’s Boston stake.

When Gallup asked the same question in 1967, during George Romney’s bid for the White House, 17 percent of Americans said they would refuse to vote for a Mormon.

“The stability of resistance to a Mormon presidential candidate over the past 45 years is an anomaly, given that resistance to a candidate who is black, a woman or Jewish has declined substantially over the same period of time,” Gallup Poll Editor-in-Chief Frank Newport wrote in a press release announcing the survey results.

The electoral significance of a lingering anti-Mormon bias is unclear because only 57 percent of Americans even know that Romney is a Mormon, according to the poll.

“This suggests the possibility that as Romney’s faith becomes better known this summer and fall, it could become more of a negative factor -- given that those who resist the idea of a Mormon president will in theory become more likely to realize that Romney is a Mormon as the campaign unfolds,” Newport said. “That things will actually work out this way, however, is far from clear.”

Democrats, who are unlikely to vote for Romney anyway, oppose a Mormon president at a much higher rate than Republicans, 24 percent to 10 percent. Opposition among independents stands at 18 percent.

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To: Colofornian

Well, then, I guess we might as well throw in the powel and prepare for the inevitable Obama landslide.


51 posted on 06/22/2012 6:57:19 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Colofornian

“You get my drift?”

I think that is reasonable argument as well, as long as one qualifies it like you have. Most that I have see seem to say something like “I will never vote for a Mormon.” But I doubt pastor Jeffress was being so politically and electorally aware in his statements. No one was using that argument on those threads that I recall, least of all the pastor who was actually making the statements about voting or not voting based on being LDS, not being liberal or conservative.

So if one votes third party in a swing state in protest to Romney, that would be detrimental to the conservative cause? And to vote for Romney in a ‘pub shoo-in state is likewise detrimental?

Freegards


52 posted on 06/22/2012 6:57:36 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Colofornian
Well, then, I guess we might as well throw in the towel and prepare for the inevitable Obama landslide.
53 posted on 06/22/2012 6:58:20 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Yeah I came to a similar conclusion. We have a non-Christian who hates this country and is inept, and we have a non-Christian who would like this country to do well, and appears less inept than the America-hater. Do both suck in multiple areas? Yes. Does the America hater suck in more ways and areas than the other guy? Yes, in far more areas, 100% opposed to anything he does or says. Would they govern identically? No. Does one appear to have the capacity to make better decisions given their views on the country? Probably. Would a 2nd-term lame-duck America hater be better than a first term guy who has no ill will towards the country, and would like a second term? No.


54 posted on 06/22/2012 7:01:54 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: mimaw
Any moron that would vote against Romney because of his religion given the religion practiced by his opponent deserves what will happen to his country.

Better to vote against both of them.

55 posted on 06/22/2012 7:04:23 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: ontap

Well, there’s aliens and then there’s aliens. Someone who truly thinks that someday he will be worshipped as God on his own personal planet is in a different class than a mere illegal alien. Obama is not our real problem. He’s a pawn. Soros, and the darker shadows behind him, they are our real enemy. We get rid of Obama, we’ll get a new problem, by design.

Have you ever played chess against a really brilliant opponent? The cleverer you try to be the worse it gets. They see you coming on any given attack path. The only way to win is to get back to fundamentals, because everyone, even the smart guys, are subject to the fundamentals.

One of those fundamentals is don’t get on the wrong side of God. You know, the Official Eternal Absolute Almighty, not some effete corporate climber like the Mormon god? Jesus told us not to be afraid of anybody, anybody at all. Except for Him. Blow off his blessing by throwing in with a mega-idolater whose life goal is to be worshipped on some alien world, and you’re looking at real trouble. We can deal with whoever the President is, if God is with us. Without God in our corner, not even Reagan could save us. We are that far into the game.


56 posted on 06/22/2012 7:05:40 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Just as the freedom thing allow you to make an asinine vote. I understand that but I'll use my freedom to call out those who would sooner see out country tank than vote for a moderate of a different religion. That's a big temper tantrum.
57 posted on 06/22/2012 7:06:33 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: Colofornian

Funny. I became involved with politics with Goldwater and in 1967 I do not even remember George Romney. He must have been a major player.


58 posted on 06/22/2012 7:10:21 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: mimaw

Romney is a liberal not a moderate.
Romney doesn’t just have a different faith he belongs to an anti-Christian group.


59 posted on 06/22/2012 7:14:54 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: mimaw

It might serve you well to learn about mormonism before you defend it.


60 posted on 06/22/2012 7:19:27 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Colofornian
Mitt Romney faces an anti-Mormon bias just as strong as the one his father confronted during his own presidential run more than four decades ago, according to a Gallup poll.

Then Gallup needs to gear up; for it's going to be a LOT stronger this time!

61 posted on 06/22/2012 7:19:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


62 posted on 06/22/2012 7:20:26 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: MuttTheHoople
In this case, I’d rather be led by a competent Mormon, than an incompetent, destructive, culturally Muslim Atheist posing as a Christian.

HMMmm...I wasn't aware that Romney is competent.

His record is NOT all that great.

63 posted on 06/22/2012 7:21:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MuttTheHoople
In this case, I’d rather be led by a competent Mormon, than an incompetent, destructive, culturally Muslim Atheist posing as a Christian.

I guess you are NOT aware that Mitt is either a deceived MORMON or a deceiving one; a heretic in the classical sense of the word; posing as a Christian.

64 posted on 06/22/2012 7:23:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
Anti-Mormon bias facing Mitt Romney is getting MUCH more exposure - thanks in no small part to the Flying Inmen of FreeRepublic fame!

Take a bow; boys and girls!

65 posted on 06/22/2012 7:24:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: texican01
It will be a cold day in Hell before a normal person votes for an alien Muslim over a Mormon.

Translation

Normal Person:

1. One who knows very little about MORMONism.
2. A Christian who apparently knows very little about contending for the faith.
3. A person who has been heavily influenced by Oprah's - All roads lead to heaven - religion.
4. A MORMON who is trying every trick in the book to cow people into voting for Obamalite; instead of rallying the troops at the RNC to get a REAL Conservative to represent the Republican Party.
5. A person who is an OBVIOUS religious bigot. Against Islam.

66 posted on 06/22/2012 7:31:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


67 posted on 06/22/2012 7:35:30 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: MHGinTN
And for stating your honest opinion you will be told your christianity is in question...

Sorry; but I did not cause the following to be written down; a GUIDE to those claiming CHRIST as Savior!


If someone's priority is their country's future, instead of where others will spend eternity - it's not MY call to question their Christianity.


 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



68 posted on 06/22/2012 7:35:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

I’m surprised that even 17% give a darned.

What with the nominal Christians-in-name-only folks. like those here on FR, who care nothing about the majesty of Christ and think it is hunky-dory to vote for a god-in-training.

Why have we even come to this point? If Christians would have had any gumption whatsoever, they would have defeated Romney in the primary. Evidently there are a lot of so-called Christian sellouts.


69 posted on 06/22/2012 7:37:15 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: MHGinTN
2 John 1:10

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

Good luck with explaining why you VOTED for this ANYONE to rule over you!

70 posted on 06/22/2012 7:37:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: mimaw
Any moron that would vote against Romney because of his religion given the religion practiced by his opponent deserves what will happen to his country.

Any moron that would vote against OBAMAbecause of his religion given the religion practiced by his opponent deserves what will happen to his country.

71 posted on 06/22/2012 7:39:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Russ
Bottom line is that this is a non-story.

MOve along now. Nothing to see here.

72 posted on 06/22/2012 7:40:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Remember there are many that don’t believe in the Constitution and religious freedom...keep your powder dry.


73 posted on 06/22/2012 7:40:47 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mimaw
Throw your temper tantrum if you must hopefully enough voters will vote to maintain a future for their children.

Whew!

I was afraid you'd misplaced your copy of the memo!!



Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

December 11st, 2011

 

URGENT!

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!

I've been getting lots of feedback from those of you on Free Republic (spit) about a certain Colorfornicator (or something like that), who is REALLY giving us a hard time there.
 
Why not try to point out to the uninformed how OBSESSED he seems to be.
 
Let's see if we can tangle him up so much trying to defend his reputation that he'll no longer have as much time to post facts about MORMONism.
 
As always, Tommy M.

74 posted on 06/22/2012 7:42:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: mimaw
So take your moral superiority and shove it.

 

MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 
                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple
                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).
 
 
Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.

75 posted on 06/22/2012 7:44:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: G Larry
Welcome to my “Bigots against Mormon’s” list.

Welcome to my “Fools advocating electing a heretic” list.

76 posted on 06/22/2012 7:45:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ontap
I can't get the vision of those nineteen Mormons flying those jets into the WTC out of my head!!!

Come with me, back in time, to a kinder, gentler place....


I do not feel threatened by MORMONism because I don’t think that they will be attempting to convert by the sword.
 

The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,
and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,
 has long been ignored, “You didn’t see the Indians beheading the Mormons.”
 
-- Historian Robert Carter

77 posted on 06/22/2012 7:47:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ontap
I can't get the vision of those nineteen Mormons flying those jets into the WTC out of my head!!!

I'll bet a nice big bowl of green Jello® that your last name is not Fancher.

78 posted on 06/22/2012 7:48:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: mnehring

It’s still early yet.

Neither convention has taken place.


79 posted on 06/22/2012 7:49:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: factmart; Colofornian
You Nuts!

Wow!

The little mormon demons are sure hissing and spitting today!

80 posted on 06/22/2012 7:50:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: factmart
factmart; eh?

Want some FACTS to chew on??

81 posted on 06/22/2012 7:51:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ontap
...but HE WON.

He DID!?

Dang!

I've slept thru ANOTHER convention!

82 posted on 06/22/2012 7:54:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: G Larry
Religious License = 1st Amendment

1st Amendment = freedom to speak about the HERESY that calls itself MORMONism.

83 posted on 06/22/2012 7:56:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: G Larry
It helps identify the anti-Mormon Bigots at FR...

I kinda LIKE it when folks says certain things. It DOES make them real easy to identify later!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

84 posted on 06/22/2012 7:58:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ontap
I wonder which religions have certain beliefs they once had that they would just a soon forget about now.

Good Point!!


Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President


85 posted on 06/22/2012 8:00:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ontap
I wonder which religions have certain beliefs they once had that they would just a soon forget about now.

REALLY Good Point!!





"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

86 posted on 06/22/2012 8:00:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ontap
I'll bet that Mitt was a young man in his 30's when he PLEADED with a god in Heaven to change it's mind about Black folk.

And by golly; just LOOK what happened!!!


Official Declaration—2

 

To Whom It May Concern:

On 30 September 1978, at the 148th Semiannual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the following was presented by President N. Eldon Tanner, First Counselor in the First Presidency of the Church:

In early June of this year, the First Presidency announced that a revelation had been received by President Spencer W. Kimball extending priesthood and temple blessings to all worthy male members of the Church. President Kimball has asked that I advise the conference that after he had received this revelation, which came to him after extended meditation and prayer in the sacred rooms of the holy temple, he presented it to his counselors, who accepted it and approved it. It was then presented to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who unanimously approved it, and was subsequently presented to all other General Authorities, who likewise approved it unanimously.

President Kimball has asked that I now read this letter:

June 8, 1978
To all general and local priesthood officers of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints throughout the world:
Dear Brethren:

As we have witnessed the expansion of the work of the Lord over the earth, we have been grateful that people of many nations have responded to the message of the restored gospel, and have joined the Church in ever-increasing numbers. This, in turn, has inspired us with a desire to extend to every worthy member of the Church all of the privileges and blessings which the gospel affords.

Aware of the promises made by the prophets and presidents of the Church who have preceded us that at some time, in God’s eternal plan, all of our brethren who are worthy may receive the priesthood, and witnessing the faithfulness of those from whom the priesthood has been withheld, we have pleaded long and earnestly in behalf of these, our faithful brethren, spending many hours in the Upper Room of the Temple supplicating the Lord for divine guidance.

He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color. Priesthood leaders are instructed to follow the policy of carefully interviewing all candidates for ordination to either the Aaronic or the Melchizedek Priesthood to insure that they meet the established standards for worthiness.

We declare with soberness that the Lord has now made known his will for the blessing of all his children throughout the earth who will hearken to the voice of his authorized servants, and prepare themselves to receive every blessing of the gospel.

Sincerely yours,
Spencer W. Kimball
N. Eldon Tanner
Marion G. Romney
The First Presidency

Recognizing Spencer W. Kimball as the prophet, seer, and revelator, and president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is proposed that we as a constituent assembly accept this revelation as the word and will of the Lord. All in favor please signify by raising your right hand. Any opposed by the same sign.

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous in the affirmative.

Salt Lake City, Utah, September 30, 1978.

87 posted on 06/22/2012 8:02:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: mnehring
What’s ironic is I recall a couple of this group identified themselves as Pentecostal, which is considered a cult by many mainstream Christian denominations.

They ARE??

Well; ONENESS pentacostals maybe...

88 posted on 06/22/2012 8:04:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Russ
Well, then, I guess we might as well throw in the powel and prepare for the inevitable Obama landslide.



Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 
(and YOU're worried about the 17th amendment?)
89 posted on 06/22/2012 8:07:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Ransomed
So if one votes third party in a swing state in protest to Romney, that would be detrimental to the conservative cause?

So if one votes third party in a swing state in protest to MORMONISM, that would be detrimental to the cause of CHRIST?

90 posted on 06/22/2012 8:08:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: G Larry
Religious License = 1st Amendment

(Yeah, duh...we exercise it all the time on this site)

Except when we exercise it, you claim our intolerance of falsehood = "religious bigotry"...yet when you exercise it, it's only presented as "first amendment expression"...

Your intolerance of our religious expressions gets special spin honor...

91 posted on 06/22/2012 8:11:25 AM PDT by Colofornian (As fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds once were; as fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds may become)
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To: Elsie
This, in turn, has inspired us with a desire to extend to every worthy member of the Church all of the privileges and blessings which the gospel affords.
92 posted on 06/22/2012 8:14:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Ransomed
So if one votes third party in a swing state in protest to Romney, that would be detrimental to the conservative cause?

What "conservative cause?"

Are you really claiming there's now one left to actually rescue? We're long past a u-turn...from pre-empting a "conservative cause" already bent on a ship-wreck upon the rocks.

The economy is in such shambles, I don't think Obama can do well. But who knows? Romney is such a weak candidate; and are there enough liberal voters in this country -- 95% or more -- who would vote for 1 of 2 liberals?

"Conservative cause-wise..."...

If Romney wins, the GoP can forget about ever having a conservative as POTUS again...the GoP-E will just say, "See we need a moderate (read liberal) to win the independent/moderate vote."

If Romney loses, it will so dismay all the conservatives who were either hoodwinked into voting for him...many searing their conscience for good as they voted for a pro-abort for the first time, a huge-govt POTUS candidate for the first time, a liberal for the first time -- or, like myself -- who were driven from the GoP for good due to his nomination; so the Q then would be: Can the GoP even survive as a serious contender to the Dems? Will it become extinct like the Whigs?

You see, right now, the GoP has only 29% of all registered voters...If they lose 1/5th of their voters, that's down then to about 23% of all registered voters. It'll be the incredibly-dwindling shrinking party.

93 posted on 06/22/2012 8:24:05 AM PDT by Colofornian (As fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds once were; as fundamentalist Mormons now are, Lds may become)
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To: Elsie; All

You do realize that this country is govern by man, not GOD!!! I guess you forgot the 1st Amendment..


94 posted on 06/22/2012 8:26:22 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Give the Government an inch and they will want more and more.)
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To: Colofornian; All

SO SAYS THE SHEPPARD!!!


95 posted on 06/22/2012 8:27:51 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Give the Government an inch and they will want more and more.)
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To: Colofornian

What “conservative cause?”

? The ones that would cause a freeper to vote for R, in swing states, like you said:

“If FREEPERS were true consistent conservatives, they would ONLY vie for Romney to win votes in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and similar swing states.”

So causes like a superior chance of getting pro-life judges on the supreme court if perhaps only done for political reasons (like a second term or campaign contributions), better chance of reversing policies that pay for abortions internationally for the same reasons. I am assuming those are some of the reasons that pastor Jeffress would hold his nose for Romney. Why else do you think he would hold his nose?

Freegards


96 posted on 06/22/2012 8:44:55 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: mnehring
What’s ironic is I recall a couple of this group identified themselves as Pentecostal, which is considered a cult by many mainstream Christian denominations.

Care to post anything relevant from another sect's website that confirms this point of view?

Or do we have to just chalk this up to another try at misinformation?
97 posted on 06/22/2012 9:10:34 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2898215/posts


98 posted on 06/22/2012 9:11:35 AM PDT by mnehring (I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian - Martin Luther)
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To: SoConPubbie

And the Christian Research Institute lists the United Pentecostal Church as a cult along with Alamo Christian Ministries, Association for Research and Enlightenment, Christadelphians, Christian Identity Movement, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Church Universal and Triumphant, A Course in Miracles, Eckankar, The Family/Children of God, Freemasonry, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mind Science groups, New Age Movement, Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints, Rosicrucianism, etc.

http://www.equip.org/bookstore/books/charts-of-cults-sects-religious-movements/


99 posted on 06/22/2012 9:19:23 AM PDT by mnehring (I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian - Martin Luther)
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To: mimaw

“Just as the freedom thing allow you to make an asinine vote. I understand that but I’ll use my freedom to call out those who would sooner see out country tank than vote for a moderate of a different religion. That’s a big temper tantrum. “

I believe there are all kinds of drugs today that can deal with temper tantrums. From what I read, stay away from bath salts.


100 posted on 06/22/2012 9:53:40 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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