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California Catholic Daily ^ | 6/26/12

Posted on 06/26/2012 1:23:10 PM PDT by marshmallow

Oakland bishop warns he may remove ‘Catholic’ name from national ministry to homosexuals because its board won’t pledge fidelity

Oakland Bishop Salvatore Cordileone is considering declaring the Catholic Association for Lesbian and Gay Ministry "not authentically Catholic" after the group's board of directors refused to take an oath promising fidelity to Church teaching on homosexuality.

CALGM was formed in 1994 as the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries and changed its name to the Catholic Association for Lesbian & Gay Ministry in 2008. The group has long advocated views of human sexuality that often seem inconsistent with Church teachings, for example suggesting that homosexuals are called to chastity -- not celibacy -- in their sex lives.

CALGM lists a Berkeley mailing address on its website, which places it under the authority of Bishop Cordileone because Berkeley is in the Diocese of Oakland. One of the group’s co-founders, Fr. Jim Schexnayder, is a retired priest of the Oakland diocese.

According to a June 25 story in the National Catholic Reporter, Bishop Cordileone has been investigating CALGM for more than a year, looking into its "adherence to the fullness of Catholic teaching."

Now, according to the Reporter, CALGM’s future is “uncertain because its board members refused to sign an ‘oath of personal integrity’ to Catholic teaching given to them by the local bishop.”

In a letter to the group’s board of directors from CALGM president Sheila Nelson, she warns that refusal to sign the oath could result in Bishop Cordileone declaring CALGM “not authentically Catholic,” the Reporter story says.

Bishop Cordileone, said the Reporter, “declined NCR's request for comment.”

According to the Reporter, the bishop’s “list of concerns with the association have included the omission of specific church documents on its website and publications; its use of the terms gay......

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1 posted on 06/26/2012 1:23:16 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Cordileone means “heart of a lion”. Just noting.


2 posted on 06/26/2012 1:40:11 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: marshmallow

Hard to understand why the Church would get into a mess like this to begin with.

As if the church hasn’t had enough trouble with Pedophile and Homosexual Priests.
If you have an organisation that calls itself Catholic Association for Lesbian & Gay Ministry , do you really think these people are not engaging in Homosexual sex?

This is another fine mess they have gotten themselves into, like voting for Obamacare and getting abortion and contraceptives shoved down their throats.

Perhaps the Bishops should start thinking before accepting organisations like this.


3 posted on 06/26/2012 1:40:59 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: marshmallow
"Catholic Association for Lesbian and Gay Ministry"

I smell yet ANOTHER rogue "catholic" church in the offing.

Perhaps THIS crowd has also decided on the smorgasbord approach to the Catholic faith: "I agree with THIS absolute; but NOT with the one about sex out of marriage being a SIN." And, since homosexuals cannot marry (Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve) there is no way around celibacy for homo/bi/transsexuals.

Not MY call; it's God's call.

4 posted on 06/26/2012 1:44:17 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Venturer

I was thinking the same. But actually, you can have a ministry to sinners. You just have to recognize what the problem is, and try to help them by bringing them back to the Truth.

So, it would be possible to have a “Catholic Association for Lesbian & Gay Ministry,” if it reached out in Christian love to try to straighten gays and lesbians out.

But, of course, that is not what these people actually do.


5 posted on 06/26/2012 1:54:22 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

This is heartening.


6 posted on 06/26/2012 2:04:00 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: marshmallow
Now, according to the Reporter, CALGM’s future is “uncertain because its board members refused to sign an ‘oath of personal integrity’ to Catholic teaching given to them by the local bishop.”

In a letter to the group’s board of directors from CALGM president Sheila Nelson, she warns that refusal to sign the oath could result in Bishop Cordileone declaring CALGM “not authentically Catholic,” the Reporter story says.

They aren't going to abide by Catholic teaching so they just might be declared not authentically Catholic. The reasoning is not hard to grasp.

7 posted on 06/26/2012 2:12:43 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Venturer

Sounds like the”CHURCH” didn’t get in the middle, the bishop” did.....just guessing that he is GAY!!!!


8 posted on 06/26/2012 3:06:25 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

Not saying he is, not saying he isn’t.

Wouldn’t be surprised.

Bishops are picked from the Priesthood.
Sooner or later I am sure one or two slipped through.


9 posted on 06/26/2012 3:56:28 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: marshmallow
“Sexual relations between people of the same sex can be alluring for homosexuals, but it deviates from the true meaning of the act and distracts them from the true nature of love to which God has called us all,” Bishop Soto told the stunned audience. “For this reason, it is sinful.”

The only reason they would have to be 'stunned' is if all the other priests and teachers in their lives had been dancing around the issue, trying not to offend, and never stated Church teaching truthfully.

My guess is that they KNEW all along that this was what the Church teaches, they just didn't like being TOLD this, in that public forum.

10 posted on 06/26/2012 3:56:37 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Cicero

Wh Lesbian and Gays form an alliance it is for one purpose.


11 posted on 06/26/2012 3:58:24 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer; Ann Archy

I am acquainted with Bishop Cordileone, his thankless task of being faithful to the Gospel in a very pagan area should be praised and supported. Suggesting that the Bishop is gay with absolutely no proof is not in keeping with Gospel values.


12 posted on 06/26/2012 4:17:23 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Ann Archy
**Oakland Bishop Salvatore Cordileone is considering declaring the Catholic Association for Lesbian and Gay Ministry "not authentically Catholic" after the group's board of directors refused to take an oath promising fidelity to Church teaching on homosexuality.**

He's telling them to take Catholic out of the name because it does not reflect Catholic teaching.

I applaud him for calling the Lesibian and Gay ministry on the carpet.

Way to go, Bishop!

13 posted on 06/26/2012 4:18:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pbear8

Thanks!


14 posted on 06/26/2012 4:23:09 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ann Archy
"Sounds like the”CHURCH” didn’t get in the middle, the bishop” did.....just guessing that he is GAY!!!!"

I know him. He is NOT gay! He is a no nonsense, very orthodox conservative Catholic. He has been named by Cardinal Dolan as the head of the USCCB's Committee for the Defense of Marriage.

As an example of his commitment to "clean house" he named another no nonsense, very orthodox conservative Catholic, Father Neal Clemens (whom I also know) as Vicar of Priests for the Diocese of Oakland. Fr. Clemens is a former military chaplain and served in Iraq.

15 posted on 06/26/2012 5:10:58 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: pbear8

You can preach to people WITHOUT identifying and excluding all others.


16 posted on 06/27/2012 2:21:58 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Natural Law

Then I apologize.....just don’t know why it can’t be inclusive instead of a gay outreach.


17 posted on 06/27/2012 2:23:23 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
"....just don’t know why it can’t be inclusive instead of a gay outreach."

Because it is the role of the Church to reach out to all sinners.

Peace be to you.

18 posted on 06/27/2012 6:36:53 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

ahem...ALL SINNERS, not just Gays and Lesbians. If you don’t get the diff, I fell sorry for you.


19 posted on 06/27/2012 6:46:19 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
"If you don’t get the diff, I fell sorry for you."

I get the difference and so does the Church. I don't know how you reached a conclusion that this is some kid of special "outreach". The Bishop is specifically telling CALGM to not use the name Catholic. However, that does not mean that the Church has or should give up on homosexuals. One has to engage sinners where they are found. In concept this is no different than a prison ministry, or a ministry targeting alcoholics, drug addicts, sex and pornography addicts, racists, atheists, and any number of other types of sinners.

I have a hard time reconciling your public position with the Gospel. We are all sinners and if you have ever lusted in your heart or engaged in any kind of sexual activities with anyone other than your spouse then your sins are no less than those of the homosexuals.

Peace be with you

20 posted on 06/27/2012 8:51:55 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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