He is a Christians Christian.
Posted on 06/29/2012 10:02:42 PM PDT by RnMomof7
Is America ready for its first all-Mormon-raised ticket? We're not talking Romney-Huntsman; we're talking Romney-Rubio. Buzzfeed reports that Marco Rubio, the GOP star senator from Florida, was baptized into the Church of the Latter-Day Saints when he was 8, and remained "active in the faith for a number of years during his early youth," according to family members, and confirmed by the Rubio camp. The family converted after moving near close relatives, the Denises, who had joined the church in the seventies. But Rubio's father, a bartender also named Marco, never converted himself; he "had little use for a religion that promoted a strict code of moral conduct that seemed at odds with the way he made a living."
The conversion didn't take for the whole family, ultimately, and Marco Jr. was supposedly a big part of that. He'd been the most enthusiastic convert to Mormonism, but then, according to his cousins, was also behind the family's return to their Catholic roots. Rubio, the likely favorite for the vice-presidential slot, received his Catholic First Communion at the age of 13. So what's the big deal? Take it away, Buzzfeed:
The revelation adds a new dimension to Rubio's already-nuanced religious history — and could complicate his political future at a time when many Republicans see him as the odds-on favorite for the 2012 vice presidential nod. Vice presidential candidates are traditionally chosen to provide ethnic and religious balance to a ticket. Mitt Romney's Mormonism and Rubio's Catholic faith would already mean the first two members of minority traditions on a Republican ticket in American history. Rubio's Mormon roots could further complicate that calculation.
A sign that Rubio's aides see the story as potentially damaging: BuzzFeed's inquiries appear to have sent them into frantic damage-control mode, and after email inquiries from BuzzFeed — but minutes before Conant responded with a phone call this morning — a brief item appeared on the blog of the Miami Herald mentioning the Senator's religious past.
So the question now looks something like this: Would "secret Mormon" be as politically damaging as "secret Muslim"? Probably not: First of all, it's no longer secret, and even if the fact that Rubio selectively edited his biography to leave that chapter out raises some eyebrows and suggests it's something he finds politically damaging, it's harder for fringe conspiracy theorists (and scruple-free campaign operatives) to really do their thing with something that's out in the open as a fact. And Romney's rise to prominence within the GOP, though not without its bumps, proves that prejudice against Mormons isn't as intractable as prejudice against Muslims. Besides, even in Rubio's enthusiastic Mormon moment, when, as his cousin Michelle said, he was "totally into it," he was someone the GOP base could love. "He's always been into religion. Football and religion. Those were his things."
Much ado about nothing if you ask me.
..or as a friend of mine put it the other day..
Better a Mormon than a Moron.
I would vote for a Gay-Illegal Alien-Reptilian-Californian-Twilight Fan if it meant getting 0 out of office.
Someone explain, how just was Rubio a mormon through his teen age years when he took his first communion in the Catholic Church when he was 13?
Doesn’t that sound like he end ENDed his involment with mormonism at 13?
Because they WILL: NOT take your name off until your 102 birthday date. It is away for them to keep their numbers up.
That wasn’t the case with mormons in Germany because they served on many of hitlers staff and in his youth armies. They were a protected religious group.
Rubio is not illegal. He was born in Florida.
I said Rubio was ineligible to become president. The word ineligible is not synonymous with the word illegal.
I'll match your "bigot card" against the bigotry of 52,000 mormon missionaries going around the world and lying to Christians by claiming that the Christian faith of centuries is false and that the only way to salvation is through baptism and confirmation in the mormon church and taking part in arcane rituals in mormon temples.
We find it hilarious that you FR mormons get your garmies in a knot about the posting of factual mormon doctrine from mormon sources by a few dozen FReepers at the same time that your leaders are bragging about the following:
We are grateful for the 52,225 full-time missionaries serving in more than 150 countries.16 The sun never sets on righteous missionaries testifying of the Savior mormon church. Think of the spiritual power of 52,000 missionaries, endowed with the Spirit of the Lord Joseph Smith, boldly declaring that there is “no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come … , only in and through the name of Christ.
"My young brethren of the priesthood, I testify of the majesty, but most of all, of the certainty of this magnificent event. The Savior lives. He will return to the earth (the Second Coming) . And whether on this side of the veil or the other, you and I will rejoice in His coming and thank the Lord that He sent us to earth at this time to fulfill our sacred duty of helping prepare the world for His return the mormon theocracy
."other people, who may not yield full obedience to his laws, nor be fully instructed in his covenants, will, nevertheless, have to yield full obedience to his government. For it will be the reign of God upon the earth, and he will enforce his laws, and command that obedience from the nations of the world which is legitimately his right” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor [2001], 225).
Preparing the World for the Second Coming-LDS.org, April 2011
Anyone who believes that Romney isn't fully immersed in this doctrine and the Law of Consecration is a fool: The Law of Consecration is considered by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to be a "celestial law." That is, people who are living lives dedicated to the service of God, such that at judgment they would be assigned to the Celestial Kingdom, should be able and expected to live the Law of Consecration. The Law of Consecration is that, if necessary or requested, a person would give everything he has for the building up of the Kingdom of God on Earth. He would be willing to wholeheartedly give of his time, talents, and resources. Thus, the person is "consecrating" all his personal resources to the Lord.
“The law of consecration,” said Elder Bruce R. McConkie (1915–85) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, “is that we consecrate our time, our talents, and our money and property to the cause of the Church; such are to be available to the extent they are needed to further the Lord’s interests on earth.”
He is still on the Mormon rolls
He is still on the Mormon rolls
Sorry, those missionaries are out there freely teaching people who want to, or ask to be taught. No bigotry involved in that at all. All one has to do is ask them to leave or say no.
In the case this thread is talking about, which is altogether different than the side step you are raising...trying to somehow claim that Rubio is “bad” because he was a Mormon when he was 8-12 years old is something entirely different.
And, actually, grey, I believe you know it. Or do you believe Rubio should be condemned now for what happened to him when he was 8-12 years old, when in fact he was a principle mover apparently, even at that young age, in suggesting to his family that they should be united as a family in their faith and revert back to Catholicism?
how many mormons were in Germany in the 30s? Name the moromons on Hitler’s staff
Lying about Christian beliefs is bigotry. Lying to innocents about the road to salvation is bigotry.
All one has to do is ask them to leave or say no.
All you have to do on FR is refrain from reading threads that do not suit your beliefs...no one is forcing you to do so..."All one has to do" is to ignore threads or say no without throwing the "bigot" card on every mormon thread and refrain from interpreting "my beliefs" when you have no insight into my mind.
BIGOTRY
Stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.
How can teaching a person be intolerance.
I also can't see the lying.
He is a Christians Christian.
I can not tell you the names, actually silly question.
I can give you the quote from mormon authors that wrote and verified mormon hitler involvement.
Mormon authors Alan F. Keele and Douglas F. Tobler,
“The Führer’s New Clothes
***Hitler enjoyed at least as much popularity among German Mormons as he did among the population in general. Church members even saw Hitler as God’s instrument, preparing the world for the millennium.
***Thousands of Mormon families sent their sons to fight for the Reich. The vital importance of “Aryan” ancestry gave new significance to genealogical research. And the Führer himself, the non-smoking, non-drinking vegetarian who yielded to no one in his desire for absolute law and order, seemed to embody many of the most basic LDS virtues.
***An article written for a special issue of the Nazi Party organ Der Volkische Beobachter by the LDS Mission President to West Germany, Alfred C. Rees, “abounds in such loaded terms as Volk and Rasse (race), and a picture of Brigham Young bears the caption,’Führer der historischen Mormonenpioniere.’ Very disturbing is the way President Rees blatantly parallels Mormonism with Nazism…Mormonism sounds like a fulfillment of Nazi teachings.
The count that I have found is around 15,000. Not an overwhelming number really. And Hitler’s staff were noted more for their occultism and Thule society membership.
To basically claim that NAZIs and Mormons are the same thing is so far out there as to be pathological
SO what? Roman Catholics helped NAZIs flee from Germany after the war. The Hitlerian regime was driven by the occult and the Thule society. There were very few mormons in Germany (top number I have been able to find is 15,000). Members of all Christian denominations worked with and helped the regime and were enamored of the ‘dear leader’. Why try to paint the mormons with this brush.
This type of nut job tin foil hat conspiracy crap is what makes people laugh at conservatives.
ANd by the by.... you probably ought to read about the origins of the german desire for space. The history is very specific it came after some of the university thinkers and government elites went to Japan for a period of time after the first World War. Mein Kampf clearly lays out the concept and it is consistent with Thule teachings as well.
One may not like mormonism and think it is the worst thing in the whorld. Fine by me but do not paint it with an untrue brush. Study more than just mormon history and perhaps you will learn something. (Maybe you would blame Standard Oil for all of it by the logic you use)
And to ask for specific names of Hitler’s staff who were mormons is NOT silly. YOU made the claim. Pony up with some facts
I have said nothing about your beliefs here, grey, in fact I never addressed you at all until you addressed me.
I certainly do not play the “bigot” card on every thread either. Such generalizations and characterizations are demonstrably false.
As to lying about Christian beliefs...there you go again.
Missionaries go out all over the world in the name of Christ from many denominations in an effort to bring the Gospel of Christ to others. They all will terach and help anyone they can who will listen to their message and whi is in need of Chrst’s saving grace and atonement.
LDS missionaries do the same...simply because you do not agree with them, or me, does not make them or me liars. It’s this very tendanciy to jump to such negative claims that drive such attitudes.
For LDS the road to salvation is through Jesus Christ and Him crucified and Him alone. We believe what He said when He said, “if ye love me, keep my commandments.” We simply differ on what we think those commandments are. but His atonement and our acceptance of it is the key...without that, it does not matter what you or I do.
As to “simply refraiming from reading threads that do not suite your beliefs,” well, all I can say is that for you to say that to me, and in the next breath claim that I am “interpreting [i]your[/i] beliefs” somehow is pretty ironic to me.
Again, I never said anything about you or your beliefs with my original post. Just made the point that anyone who would castigate Rubio because as a child for a short time was LDS, IMHO simply is bigoted towards LDS.
When you challenged that statement, I simply asked if you agreed that someone should be catigated for what went on in their life as a child. Asking you a question, which you are free to answer either way is not interpreting your beliefs, it is simply asking where you stand and seeking for you to make your beliefs in the matter plain.
Have a great Sunday, grey. I sincerely pray your worsjip is gratifying and draws you closer to Christ, Jesus. We will be worshipping Him and growing closer to Him as well here in Idaho.
I love Rubio and I think he would be a tremendous asset...
as a side note, most people probably don't know that Raul Labador, who has a pretty thick Hispanic accent, is also a Mormon....he knocked off Walt Minnick in Idaho for the congressional seat there....he's a pretty impressive guy..
this is the truth...when my husband was stationed at Griffis AFB in upstate NY back in the early 70's,we decided to try out this "Palmyra" pagent...not knowing for an instant what it was......we sat on a hill with lots of other people, and many young men in white shirts and ties, and watched the most bewildering thing I've ever seen.....but that was my "dabble" in Mormonism...
You asked I gave you the information, it is on you to accept it or not.
You asked I gave you information from mormon authors, accept it or not. That is on you.
More proof of political kabuki. There are no 'sides' in American politics, only theater.
Which Christ is that Jeff?
The christ (lds) that was once a man, who had to work for his status or the Christ that always was and perfect.
When you say lds work in the name of christ - which one?
When you say salvation - you mean the salvation that you have to work for? Or the Salvation given to us by Grace from the eternal Christ?
I simply explained that the lies spread around the world by the anti-Christian mormon missionaries are not only bigotry, but hypocrisy.
"Teaching" a lie is approval of the lie and the claim that God "restored" His Gospel when it was never removed from the earth is a lie. Teaching that the only way to salvation is through mormonism is a lie. Calling those who point out the lies of mormonism "bigots" is a lie.
Simple.
Those who throw down the "bigot" card had better be sure their own glass house is clean.
The bigoted words of mormon leader Henry Eyring Ensign Magazine: "The Lord spoke to those through whom He restored the Church in the latter days. He said of them that they “might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased" are lies.
Again, I suggest that when a mormon throws down the "bigot" card, they should remember the bigotry of their own leaders and missionaries.
For what it is worth, Rubio was never a Mormon.
Did you people baptize him?
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/23/2657517/sen-rubios-mormon-past-comes-to.html
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54325018-78/rubio-church-family-faith.html.csp
That would be Jesus Christ, son of the Father (as He himself says over and over again in the New Testament, to do His Father’s will and not His own...which shows again that the Father and Son re distinct members of the Godhead), born of Mary and raised by Mary and Joseph. Who was taken into Egypt to avoid Herod’s deathe dict when the angel warned ospeh and brough back gfter Herod died. Who taught early in the temple, and then started his ministry and performed his first (recorded) ,iracle by turning water into wine. HEaled the sick, fed the multitudes, raised the dead and taught His Gospel and established his disciples, Apostles, Seventy, BIshops, and so forth.
Who was betrayed by one of His own into the hands of the Jews who accused Him falsley and took Him before Pilot. Who was curcified and suffered for the sins of the whole world in a wonderous and miraculous atonement for us all if we but “Come unto Him,” as He bids us all...and then arose the third day in a glorious resurrection and conquered even death so that we may all rise.
That’s the one. Who promises He will come again and reign on this earth for a thousand years. WHich day I look forward to and am praying that it might be hastened. That, JEsus, svcw, who is my Lord and Savior.
Thanks for asking. I love to bear witess of and in His name, which I do now, in Jesus Holy name, Amen.
Don’t worry, for me it is late also.
What was your point?
Give me a hint of what those links mean.
Lies? I see...so say you.
Well, in the end, Jesus Christ alone will be the judge of that grey...not you, not the Inmans...Him. And I am glad for that because He knows my heart and in Whom I place my trust and have given myself for His atonement and slavation.
As He does all of us. May your faith in Him lead you to immulate Him...indeed, may it lead us all to do so.
My question was simple: the lds christ who was created or the Christ that is eternal.
All your words did not answer my simple question.
The created christ or the eternal Christ.
“You people?”
No, I did not baptise him, or anyone I know.
Rubio and his family would be the best judge of that. If he actively attended between the ages of 12 and 13, it is likely however that he was baptised, and he himself says he felt moved to leave the Mormon Church in favor of the Catholci Church so his family could be united in their faith. That would imply that he was a member.
But what if he was? He was a young kid...and he showed some very mature thinking for a 13 year old in my opinion, wanting his family to remain united in their faith of Christ, Jesus.
I applaud him for those sentiments.
Was Rubio baptized Mormon?
Accept Jeff, lds teachings are that Catholics DO NOT beleive in the lds jesus, so they do not beleive correctly. Remember it was your lds leaders that said Catholics were whores of Babylon".
Was Rubio baptized?
The Church teaches that all of are eternal, svcw, including Jesus Christ.
But you are more interested in using such teachings to distract from the principle teaching of the Church that Jesus Christ, born of Mary...the only one in existance that meets the definition...saves through His atonement.
The rest is simplle interperretation and we have been around this block many times.
If that Christ, (and He is the only one) who lived over 2000 years ago, saves through His miraculous Atonement, then those details matter not a whit. If you put your faith and trust in Him, then He saves you...and that is the essentail doctrine.
And that is why I testify of it and teach of it because it is what saves and the rest is noce to know and helps one understand Go’s will for them int heir particular life’s perhaps, but does not save them, indeed cannot save them.
You can try and distract and detract, and put up all kinds of smoke screens to try and keep people from knowing this critical point about what the LDS church teaches.
Again, IMHO, such attempts are like field mice scurrying around at the feet of hunters out after Elk. The Elk hunt is the prize and what those field mice do as you pass is of little consequence, unless you allow one to trip you and become distracted from the hunt.
So...I will remain focused on Christ Jesus and His salvation and feel no need or desie to answer the questions you toss around in an attempt to muddle the message...and make no mistake, that is what you would like to do IMHO.
Jesus Christ is God’s Son and atoned for all mankind...in the end, that is all that matters and everything...everything flows out of that. That other question is interesting, but it is not salvation.
If you want to know more about the details...have a couple of LDS missionares over to your house and go through all of the lessons with them.
Have a great Sunday.
MMM...
Mormons say he was a Mormon, Christians say he was a Mormon, and Marco Rubio himself says he was a Mormon.
So someone now says he was never a Mormon?
Missionaries - really?
My experiences with momonism goes back to 1962. I have a huge mormon family.
Thanks for being honest, that lds teaches we are all eternal IE gods in our own right.
There rest of your post implies that (lds) jesus is no different than any of us, that he was able to attain some exalted state to atone, because he is not sufficient must work along with us to earn salvation.
Got it.
What is it that you want to produce from Christians in regard to Rubio?
Oy favoy!
I guess we must dismiss that, sorry.
This should help:
Gordon Hinckley answered the question regarding the mormon Jesus:
Another lie by a mormon leader.
Good post...
I would vote for a Raelian if meant getting O out of the office..
Who hates mormons? These religion forum threads are about mormonism.
You name nothing that supports the idea that the general staff of Hitler was full of mormons——not even one.
The original post was trying to equate NAZIs and mormons ( and you did not post it). To make such a suggestion is illogical at best and down right scurrilous at worst.
Why the need exists to make mormonism something it is not is beyond me.
Germany’s nationalism has always been there. Karl Haushofer and the Thue society were instrumental in influencing Hitler and bringing him to power. Why try to tie that to mormonism???
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