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“Jesus Didn’t Condemn Homosexuality”
Apologetics Press ^ | Not Dated | Kyle Butt, M.A.

Posted on 06/30/2012 6:03:19 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

By and large, the American culture is aggressively promoting the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality. In the midst of such pressure, many people who call themselves Christians are caving in and accepting this perverted lifestyle in spite of God’s clear teachings against it (Butt, 2003). Just recently, the country singer Carrie Underwood stated that her Christian faith lead her to support gay marriage (Nilles, 2012). In truth, the life and teachings of Jesus Christ could never be accurately understood to lead a person to conclude that homosexual marriage is moral (Miller and Harrub, 2004).

One of the most common arguments made in support of homosexuality is that Jesus Christ did not explicitly condemn the practice. Supposedly, since Jesus never stated specifically: “Homosexuality is a sin,” then His failure to denounce the lifestyle can be interpreted to mean that He approved of it. This reasoning is riddled with error.

First, Jesus explained to His followers that He did not have time to teach them everything they needed to know. He told them that the Holy Spirit would bring to their remembrance all that He had taught, and would include additional teaching that He had not had time to cover. He told His disciples: “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth has come, He will guide you into all truth” (John 16:12-13). When we look to the inspired writings of the New Testament, we see the authors boldly and specifically condemning the practice based on the revelation they received from the Holy Spirit (Miller and Harrub, 2004). Thus, it is wrong to suggest that only the “words in red” are Jesus’ teachings. On the contrary, He foretold that more teaching would be done after His return to heaven due to the fact that the apostles “could not bear” all of it at the time.

Second, even if Jesus did not explicitly condemn the practice (though He actually did, as will be noted later), that certainly could not be used as evidence that He condoned the practice. For instance, where does Jesus explicitly state that bestiality is wrong? Where in the New Testament does Jesus state that polygamy is wrong? Where are the “words in red” that specifically condemn pedophilia? Are we to suppose that the Son of God condoned using crystal meth because there is not an explicit statement from Jesus’ mouth that says “do not smoke crystal meth?” The idea that silence from Jesus on a subject means He approved of or condoned the practice cannot be substantiated.

Finally, it must be considered that Jesus did, in fact, speak against homosexuality. On numerous occasions, Jesus condemned the sins of adultery (Matthew 19:18), sexual immorality (Matthew 19:9) and fornication (Matthew 15:19). These terms describe any type of sexual intercourse that is not within the confines of a marriage ordained by God. Jesus then proceeded to define exactly what God views as a morally permissible marriage. He stated:

Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. (Matthew 19:4-6).

By defining marriage as between one male and one female, Jesus effectively condemned all other arrangements, including but not limited to one man and two women, one woman and two men, three men and one woman, three men and three women, one man and one man, one woman and one animal, etc. You can see the overwhelming logic of such. For Jesus to have to explicitly condemn every assortment of genders and numbers would be absurd. When He defined marriage between one man and one woman, He clearly showed that such an arrangement is the only one authorized by God.

Several years ago a man named Cory Moore “legally married his 2004 Cherry ES-335” Gibson guitar (“Man Marries Guitar,” 2007). He said: “The day I got her, I just knew she was the one…. I know it seems weird, but I really love her—like, really love her, with all my heart. I just wanted to make it official” (2007). Are we to conclude that because Jesus never specifically condemned a man marrying his guitar then the Son of God approved of such? To ask is to answer. In 2006, 41-year-old Sharon Tendler married a dolphin (“Woman Marries Dolphin,” 2006). Jesus never said one word explicitly about refraining from marrying a dolphin. Does that mean His “silence” should be viewed as approval? Not in any way.

Homosexuality is a sin. It always has been, and it always will be. The inspired New Testament writers repeatedly teach that to be the case. Jesus explained that the Holy Spirit would bring to the inspired writers information that they could not handle at the time of His departing. In addition, Jesus did explicitly define marriage as being between one man and one woman. The ruse to suggest that Jesus approves of homosexuality because He never expressly condemned it cannot be sustained logically, nor can it be defended on any type of moral grounds. The person who presumes to claim to be a Christian, and yet supports homosexuality, misunderstands the teachings of Christ and needs to repent and stop approving of a perverted, destructive practice that Jesus condemns (Matthew 19:1-9).


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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Jesus did state that He and the are one. If it was said in the Old Testament then He “said” it!!!!


51 posted on 06/30/2012 8:19:36 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Barry, Barry quite contrary, how does your government grow?...)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Must be a lot of Stiff Necked Christians these days because a heck of lot of them are divorced


52 posted on 06/30/2012 8:23:55 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: WestwardHo

Did you just call yourself a pig?

If so,why?


53 posted on 06/30/2012 8:36:34 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (It's hurricane season! Yay!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Are we to suppose that the Son of God condoned using crystal meth because there is not an explicit statement from Jesus’ mouth that says “do not smoke crystal meth?” The idea that silence from Jesus on a subject means He approved of or condoned the practice cannot be substantiated. “

And as is pointed out in the article, the Bible says no fornication, no adultery, ya gotta be married to have sex. Men can’t marry each other, nor can females, so no gay sex. Period. End of discussion.


54 posted on 06/30/2012 8:48:44 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Jesus said many times that when you see me you see the Father- in other words they are one and the same in there ways of thought.. It can be debated that one of the 3 angles that went to sodom and gomorrah was jesus


55 posted on 06/30/2012 9:15:23 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: Tau Food

you are right. any real doctor will tell you the exit was not made for use as an entrance


56 posted on 06/30/2012 9:19:06 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: uncbob
Must be a lot of Stiff Necked Christians these days because a heck of lot of them are divorced

Jesus said the only valid reason for divorce is marital infidelity (Matthew 19:8-9).
57 posted on 06/30/2012 9:19:06 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Rev 6: 3-4)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Self Ping, as a Messianic, GOD’s Laws are forever!!!


58 posted on 06/30/2012 9:30:19 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (Be strong in truth!)
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To: cripplecreek
Turning Sodom into a smoking crater isn’t condemnation?

The stupid argument I get from Lib Christians is that is was the act of "inhospitality" that condemned them. *Snort*
59 posted on 06/30/2012 9:30:51 PM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: Argus

school is coming, if you can read!


60 posted on 06/30/2012 9:33:54 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (Be strong in truth!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The idea that silence from Jesus on a subject means He approved of or condoned the practice cannot be substantiated.

Jesus never repudiated the 10 Commandments, but I guess the folks who want to justify their sinfulness don't think they apply, either.

61 posted on 06/30/2012 9:34:14 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: jongaltsr
Homosexuality succeeded in certain societies. Eg. Greece & Rome.

No, it didn't succeed in Rome. It was permitted in Rome. It was also one of the sexual depravities that contributed to the downfall of Rome.

62 posted on 06/30/2012 9:39:16 PM PDT by mtg
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To: SuziQ

Yeshua explicitly stated that Torah is eternal and will outlast the universe. He taught that all must observe even the least of the mitzvot (commandments). The controversy began with the introduction of lawlessness from the nations, and then co-opting his reputation to promote it. Wake up and smell the coffee. HaShem is restoring Yisrael; it cannot be stopped. The question is: Will you be a part of the redemption or not. The answer is up to you. Come home to Torah and find the Moshiach. He waits.


63 posted on 06/30/2012 9:42:37 PM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

^^^^^^^^^^<—Number of humans.
^<—Number of gay humans.
The second group makes a lot of noise. Why pay attention? There are hardly any of them on the planet.


64 posted on 06/30/2012 9:59:17 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: jongaltsr
Islam was against Homosexuality but under Mohamed that started to change (very quickly).

There was no Islam before Mohammed. It was his 'dreams' that began it.

65 posted on 06/30/2012 9:59:23 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: cripplecreek

*snort* One of my favorite movies!!


66 posted on 06/30/2012 10:01:12 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Jesus was around during the old testament- “John— Chapter 8 —verse 57, 58, 59”


67 posted on 06/30/2012 10:02:41 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: jongaltsr
Homosexuality never succeeded in Rome. It was always looked upon with derision particularly if the person was a submissive. It was tolerated at best. Never was it raised to the level it has in our society.
68 posted on 06/30/2012 10:17:46 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: jongaltsr

“It is a wise man who knows not to waste oxygen on an argument with the ignorant.”

And that is why I rarely comment on these so-called religion threads. The was one the other day on the Rapture that I think Giovanna posted, and did so in a way that if you did not believe as she did you could be banned for presenting any ‘truth’ in the matter that did not agree with her.

I think she is the ‘Religion Moderator’ on Protestant threads. Salvation is the Mod on Catholic threads.


69 posted on 06/30/2012 10:23:29 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Jesus’ ministry was to the Jews, and not much doubt that homosexuaity was proscribe by Jews. It was in fact a capital offense under the Law. Homosexuality was one of those practices that separated the gentiles from the Jews. In addressing the Jews, Jesus focused on the unfaithfulness of the Jews to the Lord. Why assume that he urged them to become Greeks? Many early Christians even thought that he wanted Greeks to become Jews.


70 posted on 06/30/2012 10:29:30 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; WKB

“The person who presumes to claim to be a Christian, and yet supports homosexuality, misunderstands the teachings of Christ and needs to repent and stop approving of a perverted, destructive practice that Jesus condemns (Matthew 19:1-9).”

Thank you for the post and ping!


71 posted on 06/30/2012 11:40:05 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

“I think she is the ‘Religion Moderator’ on Protestant threads. Salvation is the Mod on Catholic threads.”

Presume much?

You have absolutely NO idea who the religion mods are.

Trust me.


72 posted on 06/30/2012 11:54:51 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Have you ever bothered to read the forum rules and see what a 'Caucus' is and what that means?

73 posted on 07/01/2012 12:27:30 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Tennessee Nana
"Matthew 5:27 “ You have heard that it was said, ‘ You shall not commit adultery’". Here the Lord Jesus Christ affirms the Law which is applicable here.

Paraphrased, it would be "you shall not adulterate marriage in any form for it is Holy".

Modern man is hell bent on adulterating marriage until it is unrecognizable. Bestiality, sex with the dead, sex with children is not far away as much as the media would say not. It is only a logical progression.

The only cure is repentance, both as a society and individually and the repentance will have to be, ultimately, in the form of action which men fear to take.

74 posted on 07/01/2012 2:31:39 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea; Salvation; GiovannaNicoletta; Religion Moderator; Jim Robinson
" And that is why I rarely comment on these so-called religion threads. The was one the other day on the Rapture that I think Giovanna posted, and did so in a way that if you did not believe as she did you could be banned for presenting any 'truth' in the matter that did not agree with her. I think she is the 'Religion Moderator' on Protestant threads. Salvation is the Mod on Catholic threads."


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75 posted on 07/01/2012 3:24:28 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
"On numerous occasions, Jesus condemned the sins of adultery (Matthew 19:18), sexual immorality (Matthew 19:9) and fornication (Matthew 15:19)."

Correct, Jesus specifically condemned fornication. The Greek word translated as fornication is "pornea". It means any kind of wrongful or improper sex. Coming from a Jew in a Jewish culture it would absolutely include homosexual conduct. By condemning pornea Jesus specifically condemned homosexual conduct.

76 posted on 07/01/2012 3:48:50 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; SkyDancer
Perfect!

Thank you!

77 posted on 07/01/2012 4:18:37 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SkyDancer
I had a discussion with a woman whom I have known for years, and she's certainly liberal in her beliefs. We started discussing the Catholic church's opposition of the HHS Mandate requiring the church, and other Christian denominations, to adhere to the mandate's rulings on contraception and abortion.

This woman started arguing about how these "men" in Rome need to get their act together first before making such pronouncements, and that a woman has a right to get rid of her embryo, and or fetus, when she feels it is necessary.

As soon as this woman started blaming "men" in Rome, and twisting the life inside as an embryo or fetus, I knew she had lost any logical argument in following the will of God.

It was breathless to behold and so sad.

78 posted on 07/01/2012 4:26:16 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Perhaps Christ didn’t find it necessary to point out the obvious? I am not being a smart allek, however wasn’t the whole Sodom and Gomorrah deal a rather large clear statement.


79 posted on 07/01/2012 5:07:06 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I’ve known three same sex couples in my life. They were all kind, loving and generous people which is why they were my friends. I find their sexual practices repugnant but their lifestyle and other behavior exemplary. Their behavior toward each other mimics that of my wife and I. They seemed to have found much joy in life together and lead productive lives that support God’s creation. One of the couples in particular produce works which support their faith. I’ve read all the scriptures that touch on homosexuality but it is difficult to reconcile in my mind that what brings them together in a loving relationship is sinful. As noted in the article the same can be said for the man and his guitar and the woman and the dolphin. I will continue to obey God when asked he us to love one another and I will trust that God will make the final judgement when they reach the gates of paradise. All my friends sin in various ways and I regularly pray for them and me.


80 posted on 07/01/2012 5:24:32 AM PDT by Outrance
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To: Outrance
I’ve read all the scriptures that touch on homosexuality but it is difficult to reconcile in my mind that what brings them together in a loving relationship is sinful...

Anal sex?

81 posted on 07/01/2012 5:58:22 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

Raging degenerate lust is what ‘brings them together’ ... self control is a foreign notion to the sexual degenerate of any type. Look at sinkEmperor clintoon.


82 posted on 07/01/2012 6:00:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you for enlightening me, I appreciate it.


83 posted on 07/01/2012 6:06:32 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

My statement was in response to:

“Preaching to the perverted is like giving singing lessons to a pig.
It’s expensive, it doesn’t work, and it annoys the pig.

Pray for them, but don’t hold much hope. Few of them return from the madness they impart upon themselves.”

I’m an old lady. God, in His mercy, made Himself real to me when I was in my mid-20’s, my life was a disaster, and I was most deserving of God’s wrath.
In God’s mercy, when He saves us, God doesn’t open us up like a Christmas turkey, and show us the depth and weight of our sin. If He did it would destroy us. But over time and years God peels away the layers of our hearts like the layers of an onion. In that process, we more and more see our own depravity, the greatness of God’s love and mercy, and the tremendous price Jesus Christ paid on the cross.
The older I get, the more I love Him and understand what it means to get to the cross, because I see more thoroughly that “In me dwelleth no good thing.”
How can I possible call another sinner a “pig”, when I, myself, who calls myself a follower of Christ, and all the more accountable for that, and yet daily battle with indwelling sin?
Christ is the remedy for the worst of sinners. He is the only remedy for sin.


84 posted on 07/01/2012 7:35:39 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: dixiechick2000

Have you ever thought about pinging me when you mention me in a post?


85 posted on 07/01/2012 7:43:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Jesus said:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (Matthew 5:17)

KJV

The old law explicitly condemns homosexuality.

86 posted on 07/01/2012 8:39:26 AM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Jesus did explicitly define marriage as being between one man and one woman.”

At creation, God took the woman out of the man. In marriage, they are re-united. No room there for any other sort of “coupling”.


87 posted on 07/01/2012 10:28:47 AM PDT by Diapason
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Perverted homosexuals think with a perverted mind. So yes, they will read something different.


88 posted on 07/01/2012 10:51:24 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: SuziQ
There was no Islam before Mohammed. It was his 'dreams' that began it.

You are Correct!

I didn't "Clarify" that exactly correctly did I?

Arab communities used the Torah but concentrated on a limited portion but exclusively on the Books of Moses, Noah, & Enoch. They were rather selective and did overlook portions of the fore mentioned books when it suited their view of the Jews. They also selected other portions out of the Torah when it suited their (version) of their reality.

I should have more inclusive in what I meant when I specified "Early" as it should have been "Pre" Islamic text.

My Humble Appologies.........

89 posted on 07/01/2012 10:51:39 AM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: SkyDancer

They are condemned, but it appeared that you were responding to GiovannaNicoletta and the article as if they agreed with the headline, which is not the case.


90 posted on 07/01/2012 11:08:58 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Long day, fuzzy thinking. Sorry


91 posted on 07/01/2012 11:41:36 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: WestwardHo

I thought you were referring to yourself as a pig. I guess I misinterpreted your comment.


92 posted on 07/01/2012 1:19:49 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (It's hurricane season! Yay!)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Well,maybe not a pig, more of a Nutria...or a Vietamese pigmy pig... LOL!!!


93 posted on 07/01/2012 2:55:47 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The list of behaviors that Jesus did not specifically condemn would be very long. He failed to mention such offenses as,

Child abuse
Embezzlement
Blackmail
Rape
Kidnapping
Torture
Cruelty to animals.

Oh the list goes on and on. Does that mean if people start claiming that they were born with the desire to hurt baby bunnies we must affirm this behavior and call it good because Jesus did not say “hey put down that stick and leave the bunny alone!”? Didn’t think so.

The Scripture makes very clear there is only one form of sexual union sanctified by God and homosexual fornication ain’t it. Sodomy is one of the four sins that cry to heaven they are, willful murder, sodomy, oppression of the poor (especially the widow and the orphan) and defrauding a worker of his rightful wages.

All of this comes from admonishments in Scripture that such things are a great offense to God.


94 posted on 07/01/2012 4:12:25 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Outrance

First ask yourself “Does God order anything but for our good and that of our eternal souls?” Then ask yourself “Why would a loving God who is all good forbid something that in the eyes of many in the world appears as a good and loving relationship?” Does God desire to keep us from being happy? Is the point of obedience to Him to become miserable?

Do we trust that God knows what traps are most dangerous for our souls? I do. Do we believe that what God deems as good is good and what He deems as bad is bad? I do. Do we believe God’s plan for our happiness goes for beyond the temporal fleshy happiness found in sexual behavior? I do. Do we believe that sex in its right order reflect a truth about the mystery of God? I do.

For Christians sex is much more than just a biological activity meant for procreation and pleasure. Within marriage it is an analogy of the Trinity, just as marriage shows us a truth about Christ and His Church.

Sterile, life denying sex which by its very nature is so and can not be changed from this is the antithesis of the full self giving, life affirming sex that God has blessed within marriage. That union is a positive and reveals a truth about the nature of God. It glorifies Him and His creation. It deepens the bond of the spouses and truly makes them one. Male and female, they are God’s image.

Homosexual sex can not do this. It is profane.

God wants so much more for those in such relationships. He wants them for heaven. Their sin has deceived them and the counterfeit love (I call it counterfeit because it is not sanctioned by God) keeps them from knowing true love. No doubt they were kind, loving and generous people but that can be said of many sinners. It is right to pray for them and hope they turn away from their sin. It is right to pray that they find eternal joy even if it means some earthly unhappiness. Continue to show them the love of Christ and help them know how much He cares for them. Maybe someday with His grace they will come to know Him too.


95 posted on 07/01/2012 4:41:12 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: jongaltsr

No problem. ;o)


96 posted on 07/01/2012 10:48:48 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: circlecity
Yup. Exactly what I was going to point out; πορνεία (porneia) includes homosexuality. Cheers
97 posted on 07/02/2012 8:38:37 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Hey, Libtards, how's the Moral Imperative to close Gitmo working out for ya'?)
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To: Salvation; GGpaX4DumpedTea

“And that is why I rarely comment on these so-called religion threads. The was one the other day on the Rapture that I think Giovanna posted, and did so in a way that if you did not believe as she did you could be banned for presenting any ‘truth’ in the matter that did not agree with her.

I think she is the ‘Religion Moderator’ on Protestant threads. Salvation is the Mod on Catholic threads.

69 posted on Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:23:29 PM by GGpaX4DumpedTea”

Take your issues up with him. He strongly mentioned your name without pinging you, but you didn’t mind that, apparently.

“Have you ever thought about pinging me when you mention me in a post?”

Because of this post to me, I won’t be taking up for you, anymore.

So, bye!


98 posted on 07/03/2012 12:26:31 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: daniel1212

..... Not to mention the latter half of Romans Chap 1.


99 posted on 07/03/2012 12:48:14 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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