Skip to comments.James Carville: Romney’s Mormon religion still a problem [Mitt silent on bishop, gov roles]
Posted on 07/08/2012 8:01:01 AM PDT by Colofornian
n an appearance on WWL radio in New Orleans earlier this week, James Carville surveyed the Romney campaign and said the presumptive GOP nominee still hasnt overcome the issue of his Mormon religion.
According to Carville, who has a forthcoming book called Its the Middle Class, Stupid, Romneys reluctance to talk openly about that is keeping him from dominating the campaign against President Barack Obama.
One of the problems that Romney has honestly is the thing against him the most is his religion, Carville said. And he doesnt understand the reasons. He doesnt talk about that. He was a bishop in his church. And he doesnt talk about the one public office that he held much and that was being the governor of Massachusetts. So, he talks about Bain, but thats become sort of a big issue in the campaign. Hes got to, you know if you look at the numbers, Romney should win this campaign.
So, I think Romney is going to come out I think theyre going to recalibrate their strategy a little bit, he said. I think theyre going to have to. And he just going to have to be more aggressive talking about some of the things he has done and give people a window into as who he is.
The best thing for Romney to do, Carville said, would be to highlight his ability to fix things.
I would say, look people are looking for someone that can fix things, Carville said. And you got to tell them Romney is that guy. You know, you accomplished that with the Olympics. You actually accomplished that when you were governor of Massachusetts. And you actually accomplished that when you ran Bain.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/06/carville-romneys-religion-still-a-problem-with-his-presidential-candidacy/#ixzz202gM8gr0
(1) Mitt doesn't talk about his gov role in MA. (He can't. His "main achievements" in MA was (a) RomneyCare; and (b) NOT being able to defend one-man, one-woman marriage when the MA justices decided to overhaul that institutions)
(2) Mitt doesn't talk about his resume' as a "bishop" in the Mormon church, either.
He's "locked" to discussing Bain (and occasionally, the Olympics). That's it.
So there's really been "no window" into who Mitt is. His "groundswell" isn't even about Mitt. It's all been about "the Middle Class" this and "Middle Class that" -- All because what Obama has done to the Middle Class!
So Carville thinks Team Romney will have "to recalibrate their strategy a little bit...[and] be more aggressive talking about some of the things he has done."
Wow! Once that happens, that'll be like a defense attorney who ventures into ground that a judge might otherwise rule as "irrelevant" to the "case" at hand for the prosecuting attorney to cover...yet once the defense attorney wanders in...too late...they "opened the door" for prosecution testimony discussion purposes.
Mormonism would then become a "free-for-all" subject matter for discussion within the MSM. Why? Because Mitt would be bringing it up!!!
And the over 40% of voters who still don't know that Mitt is a Mormon might wake up to discover who he is!
What's the "window" into who he is? And how does his Mormonism relate to who Mitt is?
If people want to understand how Mormonism's approach to the socio-political realm, they may want to read these two articles (the first written by a Mormon; the second by an ex-Mormon):
* Mitt Romney mirrors his Mormon church [Lds writer says Romney flip-flops 'cause Lds church has/does]
* Who is Mitt Romney? [Ex-Lds author reveals why Mitt's wishy-washy culture waffles & flip-flops]
In the first linked article above, Mormon Neal Chandler highlights how in the 19th century...
* Mormons forced communism upon its people -- and then not (United Order)
* Adhered to theocracies under its first two "prophets" -- and then slowly drew back
* Said polygamy was a condition of the highest degree of glory -- and then not
* Encourage its Utah Territory voters to be Democrats -- and then told whole groups of people wholesale to "balance it out" as Republicans as statehood approached
* Excluded blacks -- and then late in the 20th century not
From the second article linked above: What makes Mitt the kind of person he is ruthlessly opportunistic, dishonest, insincere, willing to say anything for advantage, lacking in conscience, preoccupied with appearance, etc., on the one hand, yet squeaky clean, family-oriented, disciplined, boring, and predictable, on the other? My new e-book, A Mormon Story, sheds light on the culture that produced Mitt Romney.
Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)
The answer, says this ex-Mormon in the book referenced above is: (From the article): The book reveals a value system that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture. That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture).
IOW, EVERYTHING in Mormonism -- from its theology to its social practices -- is up for potential change at the whim of the Mormon god. Bottom-line: There is no bottom-line in Mormonism! There is no bedrock doctrine that cannot be replaced!
There isn't even an Ultimate god in Mormonism...Nobody knows who the gods are that were part of the council which appointed the god of this world -- a former man, say Mormons.
So there's not even any Ultimate Authority in Mormonism!
Expect then this same lack of constancy in a Romney White House. Wishy washy. Flip flopper. Waffler. Gumby.
Romney is not going to get sucked in to letting the Carville’s of this world define the terms of the debate as to who should be President.
Nice try, Carville, but it ain’t going to fly.
Romney can not talk about being governor because he was a failure.
Romney can not talk about the Olympics because he took $600mil taxpayers money to fix it.
He can’t talk about his belief in mormonISM because it is anti-Christian.
He could talk about his time at Bain, whether he was successful is your point of view.
All he can really do is say “I am not obama and obama sucks”.
I follow your posts and appreciate you teling the truth about Mormonism.
I am curious about your voting intentions for November. You know a lot about Romney and what his faith is. Since you are a FReeper, I assume you know a lot about Obama as well.
Who do you choose: the Mormon or the Socialist?
If this is too personal, forgive me. You don’t have to answer. I am asking because I am having a difficult time deciding if I can stomach voting for Mitt just because he isn’t Obama.
You are a terrific expositor of what’s wrong with the LDS.
AND, you and I share the view that from Labor Day until Election Day, the MSM will be full-force “did you know this about LDS” 24/7.
To me, this doesn’t matter. I would rather have a guy who thinks he’s meant to fulfill the white horse prophecy than a guy who thinks he’s meant to destroy America.
I hope there are enough voters who agree with me.
And that's gonna have to do.
What do you think Romney should talk about?
Or what are the reasons he should be president, beyond “I am not obama”.
He was failure as governor, he needed $600mil taxpayers money to fix the Olympics, mormonISM is anti-Christian...besides Bain all he has is “I am not obama”.
Why are you supporting him beyond “he is not obama”?
I would really like to know.
Is that kinda like Obama not talking about his ‘Islamic...err Christian’ faith?
What more do you need?
Obama DOES SUCK
Thank you for insulting the poster before you made some point.
Apparently you have forgotten that Romney is in essence the father of obamaCare, it was his advisers who helped obama write the bill after they consulted with Romney about RomneyCare.
And the over 40% of voters who still don't know that Mitt is a Mormon might wake up to discover who he is!
I think your analysis is spot on, Colofornian.
I certainly don't pretend to be an expert on the subject of Mormonism, but I've learned enough here at this forum to become convinced that there is much to Mormonism that a mainstream presidential candidate won't want to try to defend. In response, Romney's supporters here usually limit their defense to the claim that Mormonism shouldn't be viewed as relevant to his candidacy. Of course, that is exactly why your point is so salient.
Should Romney insist that his Mormonism is relevant?
Having lived in a Mormon community, I’ve known a number of steady, dependable Mormons who were anything but sociopaths, but hey, there were some bad ones. I’ve met some bad Presbyterians too. ...But seriously, If I wish to remain franchised this election, I have to accept a limited choice, Obama or Romney, or convince myself any other choice I make won’t help Obama.
Talk about a crazy, sociopathic fueling religion, liberation theology is it. I’ve seen no evidence that Obama isn’t completely dedicated to his religion, and Obama’s Marxist styled spiritualism is as anti-American as it gets. ...It’s an easy decision. I take Mitt.
I’ve read most everything Walter Martin wrote, and a number of other Christian apologists as well. There is no doubt in my mind that Mormonism is anything other than a non-Christian cult. Same goes for liberation theology, and I find the latter far more dangerous, and relevant to the political dynamics of the day. I might also add that I’ve met a number of Mormons who really don’t understand that they are not Christians, according to their theology, even if they live good lives. Where Mitt stands in this scheme of things is beyond what I know of him. But it gets back to my choice. I can’t change what this reality is. I vote Mitt, without hesitation.
Why are you supporting Romney?
To just say he is not obama, is not a reason.
Why do you support Romney?
“Thank you for insulting the poster before you made some point.”
...A: that comment was directed at Carville.
B: I’m fully aware of Romneycare and Mitt’s ability to flip flop. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s the GOP nominee. If you stay home, you’re voting for Obama. All anyone can do is hold Romney to his current position of “repeal”.
Did all of us ever think we would agree with Carville? LOL!
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