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James Carville: Romney’s Mormon religion still a problem [Mitt silent on bishop, gov roles]
Daily Caller.com ^ | July 6, 2012 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 07/08/2012 8:01:01 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: dragonblustar

I don’t blame you. I am ashamed of what my country and countrymen have become. But you of all people must know what happens when people abandon their beliefs to have the govt. act like Santa.

We have no choice. We have this one remaining hill. We can defend it or abandon it by voting for our own destruction.


101 posted on 07/08/2012 12:19:50 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: greyfoxx39; rogue yam; Jim Robinson; Diogenesis; Norm Lenhart; Colofornian; xzins

From the comments I have seen from RYam lately, he is anything but a ‘true conservative’.

True conservatives do not support those who are pro abortion, pro gay marriage and pro mandate.

The GOP has proven they don’t care about this country by throwing up Mitt in an election that we should have been able to win easily.


102 posted on 07/08/2012 12:26:58 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: svcw

I am Conservative enough to understand that there will be no magic moment at the convention when Newt waddles in and the crowd goes wild and babies get thrown in the air. Sadily I did not support Ronmey and do not agree with his moderate ideas. However I don’t live in California where it realy doesn’t matter if you decide to not select Mitt. Kalifornia will go Obama by such a large margin you have the freedom to stick with your principles. Simply Mitt is a better option than Obama. However while Texas has a strong republican party, Holder is blocking our efforts to stop illegals from voting, thus I vote against Obama while praying that Rand Paul announces the day after the election that he is running in 2016. Four more years of Obama is too much for this nation to take. There is no other logical choice. Mitt is bad, Obama is a disaster. A Pox on the whole damn thing. I fear 2008 will come back to haunt us again.


103 posted on 07/08/2012 12:27:47 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: dragonblustar

“Where do I go now?....... I’m so damn angry.”

There will be medical health centers at places like the Caiman Islands. Seriously.

Things will change back here though. Dynamically, I think. With or without the involvement, relvance or continuity of the Washington government, which may well go the way of the Politburo before this is done.


104 posted on 07/08/2012 12:30:49 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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To: rogue yam
There are many FReepers who continue to embrace reason and truth-seeking.

The truth is Romney is a liberal in republican clothing. I'm faced with the reality of voting for a man that is nothing more than a lighter version of Obama.

105 posted on 07/08/2012 12:30:49 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Norm Lenhart
But you of all people must know what happens when people abandon their beliefs to have the govt. act like Santa. We have no choice. We have this one remaining hill. We can defend it or abandon it by voting for our own destruction.

Honestly, I'm just beside myself. I'm so livid at Roberts... I was ready to pack my bags that night.

I don't know what to do. I want to fight but at who or at what? My faith was shaken, in this country and at God.

I think I need to go away and think about it for a while.

106 posted on 07/08/2012 12:36:34 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dragonblustar

The only thing we ‘can’ do is what we believe is right. Not what screaming people on the internet think, but what WE think. Follow what you know to be right and you’ll never go wrong.

I feel every bit as helpless as you do. Believe me. But I refuse to let the GOP or Obama or anyone else strip me of my integrity. I will not help them destroy me, my country and the people I care about. If they do it, they will do it without my help.

That’s all anyone of us can do.


107 posted on 07/08/2012 12:46:07 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: dragonblustar; rogue yam

RY: There are many FReepers who continue to embrace reason and truth-seeking.

DB: The truth is Romney is a liberal in republican clothing. I’m faced with the reality of voting for a man that is nothing more than a lighter version of Obama.

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I’ve really had to soul search lately. There is much to detest about Romney’s record, which is in fact to the left of Bill Clinton’s. Set against this is the disaster on stilts which is Obama. The deal killer boils down to the fact that Romney is nonchalantly culture of death, every bit as much as the equally alienated and fringe Obama.

“We will hold Mitt’s feet to the fire.”

Really? When? After he has won? When he needs you less than ever?

No, do it now.

I want to hear him say abortion is unequivocally wrong, and that he was wrong when he was quoting ‘mom’s’ authority to support it. I want to hear him say that coercive mandates to purchase anything are wrong, and that he will seek the utter and absolute abolition of “Affordable Health Care”. If he did these things, I would actually vote for this bloody handed and wrong headed liberal opportunist.

If he cannot even say these things when it matters most to him, I cannot believe he will DO these things when he has already cashed in his votes.

Unlike many here, I do think he will win. Sadly, he will perpetuate the increased totalitarian reach of the Washington government, and the decline of American liberties and sovereignty.

At the end of the day, I think this was a rare moment of utter candor from Willard Mitt Romney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDuA1yuQo6E
Apathy works two ways with regard to this empty man.


108 posted on 07/08/2012 12:52:01 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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To: JohnD9207

I understand.
Originally I said I would vote for a banana slug over obama, and meant it.
I my wildest nightmares, did I beleive the Republican Party would chose a liberal like Romney (even more liberal and anti-Conservative than McCain) to be the potential nominee.
I gagged when I cast my vote for Palin because McCain made me ill.
I will not ever do that again, not ever.
We are here because conservatives voted people like McCain into office just hoping the next guy would be a real conservative, all that has happened is each candidate will become even more liberal.


109 posted on 07/08/2012 12:55:01 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Jim Noble
To me, this doesn’t matter.

I guess that THIS mattereth not to you also!



110 posted on 07/08/2012 12:55:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dragonblustar

“My faith was shaken, in this country and at God.”

God already has a chosen nation, and it is not the United States. See Psalm 2 for perspective on the fate of ALL corrupted nations.

You breath, you feel passion, you think because of the faithfulness of God. Don’t blame Him for some pygmy grunts from a blasphemously titled “Chief Justice” of a “Supreme Court”. The hubris in those titles underscores the corruption at the root.


111 posted on 07/08/2012 12:56:19 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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To: Psalm 144
"Unlike many here, I do think he will win. Sadly, he will perpetuate the increased totalitarian reach of the Washington government, and the decline of American liberties and sovereignty."

+1

I would rephrase part of this. Romney won't win because of skill. He will win because Zero seems to have a wish to lose. Time will tell how much his cultic background turns off voters.

RINOmney is campaigning exactly like Dewey - playing it safe, trying not to say anything wrong or raise anything controversial. Loser mentality. Loser candidate. No big ideas. No vision. No differences with Zero.

In his favor is Zero, who is no Harry Truman. Whose campaign seems to be about special favors, special groups and government handouts. It may be enough. Time will tell.

All that said, RINOmney will compete with no help from me, financially or otherwise. He doesn't represent any of my conservative convictions and violates my conscience. Others will make a different choice and justify it in their own hearts. I'm fine with that. Nor do I care what anyone else thinks I should do or not do. My vote isn't their's to cast.

After this election, I will change my registration to independent. With Reagan, "I'll say, I didn't leave my party, they left me."

112 posted on 07/08/2012 1:01:42 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: muawiyah
The reason Goldwater lost is simple ~ he gave away the 30% of the black vote previous Republicans had received AND he gave away the Social Conservative vote ~ maybe not as big back then as now, but the idiot gave it away.

You are probably thinking of the Goldwater and the America of the 1980s and 1990s. Goldwater didn't "give away" the social conservative vote in 1964. In fact there really wasn't a "social conservative vote" to win or lose then -- before abortion and homosexuality and drugs and busing became issues.

As it was Goldwater campaigned on the social issues of his day -- crime and school prayer. Like it or not, civil rights was considered a "social issue" back then and a lot of people voted for Goldwater because of his stand -- which lost him far more votes than it gained him. Nobody voted against Barry Goldwater because his wife believed in birth control. It wasn't an issue.

If any Republican nominee was outside or against the party establishment (which really existed back then) it was Goldwater -- more so even than Reagan -- and Goldwater lost big. Anybody who knows anything about that campaign knows about the bitterness of the Goldwater-Rockefeller animosity.

Nixon is almost a special case since he later on won two times, but in his first race he was the GOP-e (liberal lite) candidate against the more Conservative Democrat JFK.

There weren't many real issues in 1960. Kennedy campaigned on a non-existent "missile gap" to get to the right of Nixon, but anybody who knew politics knew Nixon was not more liberal than Kennedy. Galbraith and Schlesinger and the other Harvard professors knew that. Nowadays, people make out that Kennedy's tax cuts made him conservative, but cutting taxes without cutting spending wasn't considered a conservative practice at the time.

Dole and McCain failed to come to grips with the demographic realities of today's Republican party and gave too much head to the GOP-e.

What about the economic realities in the country at the time? Nobody was going to beat Clinton with Perot in the race, and no Republican was going to succeed Bush -- not after the economy tanked. If there had been a strong conservative candidate maybe that candidate would have beaten Dole or McCain for the nomination, but that candidate didn't exist.

When I say "a strong conservative candidate" I mean someone who had wide, crossover appeal, somebody who didn't only appeal to true believers. There wasn't such a candidate and there was no guarantee that such a candidate could have won, given the state of the economy in 1996 or 2008.

When the tired old guy wins the nomination, it's a good sign that nobody sees a more electable alternative out there. A tired, but more conservative candidate wouldn't have been able to pull it off in either election.

In fact, McCain hired on all of Romney's backstabbers and that pretty much nullified any social Conservative leverage he'd gained with Sarah Palin on the ticket.

Like McCain didn't have plenty of staffers of his own? Like McCain needed Romneyites to make himself liberal? Like -- in the widely circulated myth -- McCain needed Romney staffers to badmouth Palin? Like his own loyalists didn't have it in for her? Like Axelrod and Plouffe needed Romneyites to make attacks on Palin for them? Got any more myths?

Palin won McCain some votes and lost him some votes. Possibly on balance she won him more votes than she lost him, but no way was she going to win him enough votes to take the election.

Roosevelt was a sick man and his campaign ran through Willkie like (p..p) through a goose!

Roosevelt wasn't that sick in 1940, but let that go. Blame the Germans and the French. After Hitler crushed France, Americans didn't want to pick a new guy who'd have to go through on the job training.

A NOTE: I've noticed almost none of the Mittbots are unwilling to discuss Willkie.

My point is that all politicians disappoint. All ideologies have their problems. Pretending that there's some ideal candidate with some ideal ideology who could win, when such a candidate doesn't appear is living in a fantasy world. We have elections between candidates who actually exist and manage to prevail in the primary process. Candidates who don't exist or don't win in the primaries aren't going to come out on top in the general election.

113 posted on 07/08/2012 1:02:30 PM PDT by x
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To: svcw

“We are here because conservatives voted people like McCain into office just hoping the next guy would be a real conservative, all that has happened is each candidate will become even more liberal.”

You, I and others have come to the realization that ‘next time’ will never happen. Because ‘this time’ is next time’ from 4 years ago. And that time was ‘next time’ 4 years prior to that. and so on back to Reagan. And before him as well for a number of elections. He was a fluke in GOP politics.

Since this is a historical, documented fact, a conservative voter has no reason to expect or believe that ‘next time’ will ever come.


114 posted on 07/08/2012 1:03:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: greyfoxx39
Nothing would make the FReeper Hater Club of One happier than for him to have the power to banish all those who refuse to kiss his "choose the right" ring.



115 posted on 07/08/2012 1:03:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39
Nothing would make the FReeper Hater Club of One happier than for him to have the power to banish all those who refuse to kiss his "choose the right" ring.


Nah...

Choose The Prophet!!!




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng

116 posted on 07/08/2012 1:03:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I'll take the non-Moslem.

Add one more into the Religious Bigot Club.

117 posted on 07/08/2012 1:04:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: rogue yam
The FR He-Man Mitt Haters Club members have been repeating and embracing leftist talking points here on "America's premier conservative web forum" non-stop for months. This they do in the name of "true conservatism".

No one is embracing leftists talking points, conservatives have been attacking the liberal Massachusetts Governor for decades, from the right, not from the left.

"America's premier conservative web forum" has been fighting the failed liberal Governor for many years, I don't see the left taking up our attacks on his pro-abortion politics, his anti-gun politics, his anti-military, pro-homosexual agenda and so on.

118 posted on 07/08/2012 1:05:30 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Norm Lenhart
Since this is a historical, documented fact, a conservative voter has no reason to expect or believe that ‘next time’ will ever come.

Yep!

119 posted on 07/08/2012 1:06:26 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: MHGinTN
I guess we could read this as the religion of some is hate Romney, but then he has so many character flaws over which to find him disgusting, one wonders why some are doing the sleazy work of the fifth column enemy media by attacking this liberal over his religion, using the religion forum at FR as the vehicle?







It don't take a rocket surgeon to figger it out!

120 posted on 07/08/2012 1:07:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JohnD9207; rogue yam; svcw
Kalifornia will go Obama by such a large margin you have the freedom to stick with your principles.

Exactly. And, that was my point in post 88.

People need to understand that when Californians like rogue yam state that they're going to vote for Romney, you have to assume that they're voting for Romney and not merely voting against Obama because they know that their votes for Romney will not and cannot harm Obama's electoral chances. These folks are voting their principles; their votes for Romney are fully consistent with their philosophical views. Voting for Romney presents no conflict for them. They seem immune to any appeal to conscience by conservatives because they are in fact immune to any such appeal.

We must accept that there are many Republicans who look to Mitt Romney for leadership and they are fully prepared to enthusiastically follow him.

121 posted on 07/08/2012 1:08:21 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: scooby321
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”


“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




Modern MORMONism snuggles up to ISLAM just slightly differently...

122 posted on 07/08/2012 1:10:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Parley Baer
Interesting to see the defacto Obama supporters in this thread. The dimoKKKRAT Trojan horses are in full stride.

Interesting to see the actual ANTI-christian supporters in this thread. The DEMONIC deception dimwits are in full blinder mode.

123 posted on 07/08/2012 1:12:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: muawiyah

When Goldwater ran, abortion, homosexuality (even welfare was not) where non issues, so what is it you mean by social issues?
Why would anyone discuss Willkie, I am really confident he is not running.


124 posted on 07/08/2012 1:13:20 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw
Uh...This was a COVER-ALL game.

Sit back down.

He's either a

DECIEVED Mormon, or a
DECIEVING one.

125 posted on 07/08/2012 1:13:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
I wil trust any Mormon over any Marxist !

I believe MORMON lies!

126 posted on 07/08/2012 1:14:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

No, Jimmy. Mitt’s biggest problem is not that he’s a Mormon. Mitt’s biggest problem is that he’s a lame candidate. Now, whether Mormon teaching is a primary contributor to his lameness is a proposition we can argue. Personally, I think Mitt would be a lame candidate whatever religion he was in. He’s just a lame kind of guy. And let all the church say “Amen!” and “Amen!”


127 posted on 07/08/2012 1:15:31 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: rogue yam
The choice before us in November is between Romney and Obama.

DANG!!!

I've slept thru two MORE conventions!!

128 posted on 07/08/2012 1:16:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

After this election, I will change my registration to independent. With Reagan, “I’ll say, I didn’t leave my party, they left me.”

***************************

I will wait for the convention results. If things shape up as they appear to be headed, I too will change my registration, after more than 30 years of solid Republican support.


129 posted on 07/08/2012 1:16:31 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Hey Yam, why do you keep ducking my question?

MORMON tactics...


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


130 posted on 07/08/2012 1:17:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: rogue yam
There are many FReepers who continue to embrace reason and truth-seeking.

I hear directly from them every day.



131 posted on 07/08/2012 1:21:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JohnD9207
I fear 2008 will come back to haunt us again.

IF my people; who are called by my name...

132 posted on 07/08/2012 1:22:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

IF my people; who are called by my name...

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As usual, our last resort when it should have been our first.


133 posted on 07/08/2012 1:24:46 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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To: Psalm 144

“I will wait for the convention results. If things shape up as they appear to be headed, I too will change my registration, after more than 30 years of solid Republican support.”

I’ve done it all since Ford’s race. Grunt work, giving, yard signs, recruiting others, etc. Done with RINOs for good. I will continue to vote for conservatives - the only standard from now on.

Ford - RINO
Bush I - nice guy, RINO
Dole - RINO
McCain - RINO
RINOmney - Liberal, pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-mandate, RINO Cultist. Now, it’s not enough for the GOPE to oppose my political and moral views, they are pushing a guy who opposes my God and Savior. No more.


134 posted on 07/08/2012 1:25:02 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: Elsie
Add one more into the Religious Bigot Club.

Isn't that what anyone who brings up the religion of a politician is engaging in?

I didn't bring it up.

135 posted on 07/08/2012 1:25:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Psalm 144
God already has a chosen nation, and it is not the United States.

SIN is a reproach to ANY Nation...





Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 

136 posted on 07/08/2012 1:26:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I hear you. So down right now, but it is truth.


137 posted on 07/08/2012 1:28:47 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Isn't that what anyone who brings up the religion of a politician is engaging in?

Why?

Religion is part of who a candidate is, so why not talk about it.

138 posted on 07/08/2012 1:36:27 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Elsie

54,000,000 by recent estimate. That is Stalin and Mao territory.

There are more than a few who call themselves conservative, who silently agree with Margaret Sanger. Nevertheless, tophets then, or clinics now, the remnant will not go to or remain in such abattoirs.


139 posted on 07/08/2012 1:37:58 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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To: Psalm 144
Don’t blame Him for some pygmy grunts from a blasphemously titled “Chief Justice” of a “Supreme Court”. The hubris in those titles underscores the corruption at the root.

No, it's not that. I've seen so many good people either die or suffer terribly while others who are just rotten to the core prosper and do well. I see evil triumph while the good suffer. I just gets to be too much after a while.

140 posted on 07/08/2012 1:38:12 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Psalm 144

yup...


141 posted on 07/08/2012 1:39:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: rogue yam
That is why I will vote for the one Presidential candidate with a chance of winning who has said he will repeal Obamacare: Mitt Romney.

What has Romney ever done which would give you the impression that he is to be trusted?

Personally I would prefer to elect congressmen and senators with the guts to repeal Obama (i.e., impeach the tyrant).

Romney has a track record of being just as much of a tyrant as Obama (only on a limited scale).

142 posted on 07/08/2012 1:40:10 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: svcw; E. Pluribus Unum

“Religion is part of who a candidate is, so why not talk about it.”

Do you mean core beliefs might be important in a person’s makeup?

How revolutionary a concept in the post-Rove era!


143 posted on 07/08/2012 1:40:56 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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To: Elsie

Until your posts this thread was a purely attack Romney thread, and attack anyone who would admit they’re voting for him to remove Barry Dunham. Your posts, coming 120 posts on, are the FIRST hint of any discussion of Romney’s religion, yet this thread was posted as a ‘religion forum’ thread. I suspect even you might find that strange. BTW, how is the JB Weld holding out on that leaking gas tank?


144 posted on 07/08/2012 1:41:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: svcw

Elsie said I was a religious bigot. I was responding to her. Try to keep up.


145 posted on 07/08/2012 1:41:59 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Psalm 144
It's the Nature of man:
 

Genesis 11:1-4
 
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly.
And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar.
And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

146 posted on 07/08/2012 1:42:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dragonblustar

It is hard, but it is a given, and must be endured.

But yes my friend, it is damned hard and bitter to watch.


147 posted on 07/08/2012 1:42:58 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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To: Psalm 144

Elsie said I was a religious bigot. I was responding to her. Try to keep up.


148 posted on 07/08/2012 1:44:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: RitaOK
There is no rebuttal. This is the fear vote on steroids.

Good point.

149 posted on 07/08/2012 1:47:02 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Heh. I’ll just give you a skip henceforth.

Pax.


150 posted on 07/08/2012 1:47:20 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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