Skip to comments.Jesus Christ as Elder Brother [Mitt's ancestor originated Lds idea treating Jesus as mere brother]
Posted on 07/18/2012 5:07:41 AM PDT by Colofornian
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints often refer to Jesus Christ as their elder brother. This expression of endearment appears in sermons, lessons, and publications...The title is used enough that some might think that elder brother is one of the many titles attributed to Christ in the scriptures, but nowhere do the scriptures use this expression in reference to Jesus. Nor can the idea that Jesus is our elder brother be ascribed with certitude to the teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith...
Beginning in 1844 we find the first instances in which the Church leaders use the phrase elder brother...to refer to Christ. These six recordings were all recorded contemporaneously. June 22, 1844, Orson Pratt...
The concept that Christ is the elder brother...does not appear to have been actually articulated and recorded until 1871 by Orson Pratt:
Now, who is Jesus? He is only our brother, but happens to be the firstborn...how is he the firstborn? Because he is the eldest--the first one born of the whole family of spirits and therefore is our elder brother.
...It is apparently Orson Pratt, then, who should be credited with the first attempt to...use the title elder brother as applied to Jesus. It was Orson Pratt who first recorded the concept that Jesus is "our Brother" shortly before the death of Joseph Smith, and Orson Pratt who first articulated that Jesus is all humankind's elder brother in the spirit...
Section 93, an 1833 revelation to Joseph Smith, allows implicitly the idea of brotherhood with Jesus: since human spirits are eternal, these spirits were with God in the beginning just as Jesus was.
To those not familiar with the plan of salvation, hearing Jesus Christ called an elder brother might be misunderstood as a diminution of Christ's high status...
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religion is fair game in the RELIGION FORUM!
“I have often wondered why with the hundreds of threads started everyday on FR there are a few FR people who are obsessed with getting on Religion Forum and not contributing to the discussion but repeating the something over and over “
I have wondered about that for years.
Well, blue at least you recognize yourself, that is the first step.
Remember this is the Religion Forum.
Read the verse again. It's not parallel to your example. You weren't firstborn among those many Thai brethren, because then you would have been part of their family.
You want to emphasize firstborn, then go for it.
I’ll emphasize among, as it STILL applies.
Strong's Concordance for firstborn
Strongs Number: G4416
Orig: from 4413 and the alternate of 5088; first-born (usually as noun, literally or figuratively):--firstbegotten(-born). G4413
Use: TDNT-6:871,965 Adjective
Strong's Concordance for among
Strongs Number: G1722
Orig: a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between 1519 and 1537); "in," at, (up-)on, by, etc.:--about, after, against, + almost, X altogether, among, X as, at, before, between, (here-)by (+ all means), for (... sake of), + give self wholly to, (here-)in(-to, -wardly), X mightily, (because) of, (up-)on, (open-)ly, X outwardly, one, X quickly, X shortly, (speedi-)ly, X that, X there(-in, -on), through(-out), (un-)to(-ward), under, when, where(-with), while, with(-in). Often used in compounds, with substantially the same import; rarely with verbs of motion, and then not to indicate direction, except (elliptically) by a separate (and different) preposition. G1519
Use: TDNT-2:537,233 Preposition
Heb Strong: H3789
Its you kids who are so obsessed with underpants. "Underpants" is a great comedy word. I LOVE when I can use it. (Comedy Tip: anything coupled with "pants" is comedy gold)
I'm not sure what "longerie" is or what your "Jesus" reference was about, but then I don't understand very much of what you guys talk about. (RE: my bra situation, FReep mail me)
All in all, keep the anti-Mormon stuff coming. People are really warming to it and you're making a difference, at least that's what the Black Sheep of my family, Commie Tommy, says. He's a lurker, a staffer for Bernie Sanders and he's your biggest fan, so, fantastic job at wrecking what was once the best conservative harbor on the net, from your pal, Commie Tommy.
Its also impossible to ignore that the rancid personalities who swarm and cackle here, in the "Religion Forum", are rarely EVER found on the numerous threads exposing Obama's daily horrors against America and her Constitution...and I'm not talking about you, I like you very much and I know you're sincere.
so sorry ..this turned up in my pings and didnt notice what forum it was in. oops! nevermind :)
true. The Christian Forum doesnt seem very Christian.
lil Debbie must be a very shallow reader to make this statement.
You have a problem with the content or direction of FR - talk to JR about it, I'm sure he'll warm to your views /sarc
I would have responded sooner but I fainted after the complement and just now recovered.......... ;-)
I'm partial to "Tinkle".
Cracks 'em up every time!
Do you have a link to the “Christian Forum”?
I looked all over the site (FR) and can not find it in the side bar or on any other lists.
Nope cant find a link to any Religion forum ...hmmmmm
Well, since you are on the Religion Forum.......
here is the link:
When you find the Christian Forum link, let me know.
smart A..its showing up in my pings.
"Look out! There's a pickle in your underpants!!"
Try not to laugh. Can't be done.
Unless you're a mormon ... or a mormon exposer.