Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Why Did the Jews Reject Christianity?
The Yeshiva.net ^ | 8/1/2010 | Rabbi Joseph Isaac Jacobson

Posted on 08/12/2012 9:20:00 PM PDT by Phinneous

A Jewish class on why Jews do not accept Christianity. I post for Jews to self-educate and for Christians to understand the Jewish point of view--not that it matters (that they do.)


TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Judaism; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: archaeology; bible; christ; churchhistory; faithandphilosophy; historicity; historicityofjesus; jews4jesus; moses; notarchaeologytopic; nothanks; sinai; torah
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 101-120121-140141-160 ... 301-305 next last
To: blasater1960
G-d then acts like a pagan, and kills off his own human mortal son?

You are mistaken. God did not kill Jesus.

Sinful mankind did that.

God only made the provision and Jesus was willing because there was no other bridge between our world and the righteousness of Heaven.

121 posted on 08/13/2012 10:13:12 AM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 117 | View Replies]

To: TaraP

HI Tarah! Good to see you. I took a break :o).

Jeremiahs words are true for the UNrepentant person. But G-d knows our heart and compares the condition of our heart to our actions.

Ps 51:16 For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it;
You are not pleased with burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.

The Nenevites prayed, fasted and repented. G-d knew they were sincere and forgave them. No blood. No sacrifice. No Jsus.

Shalom shalom Tarah!


122 posted on 08/13/2012 10:20:09 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 115 | View Replies]

To: what's up
Sure, first, it is not Son...capital S. There are no captial letters in Hebrew. That is an addition by the church to make the verse seem to be about Jsus. From Uri Yosef:

David was speaking about himself in this psalm: Psalms 2:7 – I will tell of the decree; The Lord said to me, "You are My son [ בְּנִי (bNI)]; this day have I begotten you." The New Testament "quotes" this verse as if God were speaking to Jesus (Acts 13:33), which is the likely motivation for the KJV translators to have changed "son" to "Son" at this verse. King David is the "son" here, a figurative characterization similar to the way God referred to Solomon as His "son".

123 posted on 08/13/2012 10:30:07 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 120 | View Replies]

To: Phinneous

Why did Israel reject Christ?

Rom 11:25-36
(25) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
(26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
(27) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
(28) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
(29) For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(30) For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
(31) Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
(32) For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
(33) O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
(34) For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
(35) Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
(36) For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.


124 posted on 08/13/2012 10:30:41 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Phinneous

Bookmark


125 posted on 08/13/2012 10:37:56 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cvengr

I don’t know what you’re getting at. Jews reject JC because he purports to change the Torah. Is your post the non-Jew version of why Jews rejected?


126 posted on 08/13/2012 10:40:59 AM PDT by Phinneous
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 124 | View Replies]

To: chuckles; blasater1960; JewishRighter; Zionist Conspirator

Chuckles:

blasater1960 already went over a significant chunk of conflicts you describe in an earlier post in this thread.

According to our covenant with G-d, He would never take a human form. We can pretty much stop there.


127 posted on 08/13/2012 10:42:14 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

To: blasater1960
This type of self-aggrandizement would be unusual for David.

"Kiss the son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way for his wrath can flare up in a moment."

This kind of attitude is far different from the humility David reflected in other psalms where he glorified God and not himself.

"the rulers gather together against the Lord and against his anointed one"

Again, David didn't usually set himself up in such an exclusive way with God as though it were he and God in partnership.

Quite a different spirit from the rest of the psalsms.

128 posted on 08/13/2012 10:45:42 AM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

To: chuckles

“I was taught there was no remissions of sin without the shedding of blood”

Nope! Hebrews 9 is incorrectly quoting Leviticus 17.

“After Jesus, there was no more need for shedding blood for the remission of sin.”

Then why are sacrifices returning? Ezek 44.

“Abraham said God would provide the Ram for sacrifice......., and He did.”

We are not told that this is a sin sacrifice. When G-d stops Abraham...that is G-d telling Abraham...NO human sacrfice. Also, Dt 12, Jer 19.

“Any Jew that believed God would provide this “Ram” would receive Salvation without having to sacrifice animals.”

It never says that anywhere in the Torah, Prophets or writings.

We dont accept the transfiguration. If Elijah was standing there. How could John the Baptist be Elijah like Jsus claimed?

Your anti-christ is supposed to claim to be “God” right? We already rejected the man from Nazareth for making that claim. We are not about to accept anyone else who also makes that claim.

From what I have read in the NT and through history, the holy spirit is not effective. Shortly after the big release of the HS at pentecost, Paul has to write letters because they ALREADY had begun back sliding and getting into sin. Why? If the HS is indwelling in them? The church in the crusades, inquistion, pogroms, and the holocaust slaughtered the Jewish people. How could that happen if the HS leads the christian into truth?

Gotta run for now.


129 posted on 08/13/2012 10:46:04 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

To: what's up

“This type of self-aggrandizement would be unusual for David.
“Kiss the son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way for his wrath can flare up in a moment.””

It doesnt say Kiss the son in Hebrew. That is another change the church made. Here, read this through.

http://thejewishhome.org/counter/Psa2.pdf


130 posted on 08/13/2012 10:50:12 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 128 | View Replies]

To: blasater1960
I'm aware that there was no capital "S" in Hebrew.

The capital is because the christian interpretors were understanding that David could not intend "son" as directed to himself for the reasons I designated above.

They didn't believe that David would presume himself to be considered God's son in the pagan fashion.

131 posted on 08/13/2012 10:50:48 AM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies]

To: sf4dubya
Re post 98, so I would infer that it's not proselytizing, per se, that you find disrespectful, but rather the overly aggressive manner in which some would engage in their recruitment efforts.

If that's correct, then we agree.
132 posted on 08/13/2012 10:53:37 AM PDT by zencycler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 98 | View Replies]

To: what's up

“You are mistaken. God did not kill Jesus.”

Of course “God” killed him. In the Garden Jsus tried to get out of it. But Jsus has NO FREE WILL. He couldnt have siad “no...not going through with it.” And besides...you teach that Jsus is “God” So, technically you have “God” killing himself.


133 posted on 08/13/2012 10:54:21 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 121 | View Replies]

To: Phinneous; blasater1960; JewishRighter; Zionist Conspirator

Maybe a better discussion would be why do we Jews feel it necessary to create such things to explain why we DON’T believe something in another religion.


134 posted on 08/13/2012 10:55:41 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 119 | View Replies]

To: zencycler

Yes, definitely.

But to make things perfectly clear, it is not that I temper recruiting or don’t feel like it, but that simply Jews do not recruit converts period. :)


135 posted on 08/13/2012 11:03:21 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 132 | View Replies]

To: blasater1960
Of course “God” killed him

No, it was our sin that killed him.

And lest you believe that you or I would not have killed him had we been there...even if you or I were the only person on Earth with Jesus we would have killed him just as Cain killed Abel.

In ourselves, we cannot abide with perfect righteousness.

Jesus choice always was to submit to the Father i.e. always to do what is righteous. He was tempted in all ways but always chose the right.

136 posted on 08/13/2012 11:03:46 AM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 133 | View Replies]

To: sf4dubya; All

“to explain why we DON’T believe something in another religion.”

I’m am not entirely sure if this is what you mean..but..for me it all distills down to Dt 13 and 4.

Paraphrasing...If anyone comes to you and tries to alter your worship, to something, ANYTHING, different from what your Fathers learned at Sinai...REJECT it.

It really is that simple. Did our Fathers at Sinai know of a Triune god? no. Did they know of a hybrid godman son of god? No. Were they told that the Law would stop one day? No. On the contrary.

So thats it then. No Jsus for us. PERIOD.


137 posted on 08/13/2012 11:07:42 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 134 | View Replies]

To: blasater1960

Yes, Deut 13 and 14 but I was taught the mere act of putting something together formally explaining why we reject it is actually a form of recognition.


138 posted on 08/13/2012 11:18:02 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 137 | View Replies]

To: blasater1960

Nice job distilling the class (shiur) I posted. :)


139 posted on 08/13/2012 11:20:55 AM PDT by Phinneous
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 137 | View Replies]

To: what's up

“He was tempted in all ways but always chose the right. “

G-d can not be tempted. And Jsus could not have sinned if he wanted to. As a hybrid godman, his humanity could never has sinned while intertwinned with “God” in his body. Again...he had no free will. Therefore, he was nothing like us.


140 posted on 08/13/2012 11:24:25 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 136 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 101-120121-140141-160 ... 301-305 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson