Posted on 08/17/2012 8:38:47 PM PDT by Frank Broom
The guy quit a few months after that and moved away to another town Just before he left he was cheating on his wife with a woman in the company we worked at. When he returned about a year later his life was in ruins as his wife moved in with his neighbor.
I do not believe in name it claim it or everything is roses theology especially when The Bible says otherwise. Did the Disciples or Apostles die healthy? Some were murdered Stephen in his final breaths saw heaven open up. Tradition has it Peter was hung from a cross upside down.
I do believe this though. As with Daniel was in the lions den and the lions mouth were closed and as with his three students who were thrown into a furnace GOD will not forsake us but rather Christ will be there to bring us through the conclusion of it. The conclusion may well be one of being called home. So be it. Christ Kingdom and His Kingdom which is forever is not of this earth for earth shall pass away.
I was referring to physical death. At some point we all will face physical death. And when that happens it means that God chose not to heal us, despite our faith.
Your story is amazing!
There are many things related to the New Covenant which were secured by the work of Christ on the Cross, by the shedding of His sinless Blood.
When someone says that healing of our physical bodies was provided for in the sacrifice of the Saviour, that is true, and obvious. But it does not necessarily mean that all things provided-for are guaranteed immediately.
There are land promises, as well as regal promises to Israel (Abraham's physical seed) provided-for in the sacrifice of Christ, included in the New Covenant. But these things will not be realized until after the removal of the Body of Christ.
The removal of the curse (Genesis 3) is provided for in the Blood-shedding and resurrection of Christ. But the curse is NOT removed yet, and will not be removed until the Second Advent of Christ.
One of the reasons our physical bodies are sick is because of the curse on the earth, preventing plant life from yielding its full product that would give our food supply the preventatives to disease that we need. Crops and wild foods will not yield their fullness until the curse is removed.
Our Lord certainly does heal very often in direct response to the prayers of His people. He certainly has the power to do so, and the prerogative to do so.
But to say that God does not want us sick goes beyond the Scriptures and denies another prerogative of His, and that is to use physical infirmity to teach us His grace, and teach us that it is sufficient (2 Corinthians ch. 12). It also denies His prerogative to use physical illness in the discipline of His children (1 Corinthians ch. 11 ; Hebrews ch. 12).
Exactly.
God bless you, cva66snipe.
I am very saddened to hear of the suffering your wife has had to bear, and worse still to have had this so-called “Christian” add to her torment.
As I said earlier, I truly do believe these people mean well and think they are doing God’s work, but the problem is some charismatic groups don’t know or respect the Biblical text very much. They really don’t study it - they love the emotional rather than the intellect. They think that using one’s mind somehow denies the work of the Holy Spirit. Let me say again, there are charismatic groups which highly respect the scriptures and there are some that don’t. This happens across denominations as well (unfortunately).
So, as a consequence, many charismatics seem to rarely use things like context or word studies to accurately interpret a passage - for example many times they don’t get that the Greek and Hebrew words translated into English do not always give the full meaning - for example the word “love” has at least five different meanings in the Greek. To “judge” someone has at least two different meanings. Same with “speaking with tongues”, “baptized by the Spirit” - these all have specific meanings often using different Greek words but translated with the same word in English. This is where context and Greek/English lexicons come in very handy.
My point is spending hard work in studying the Biblical text is seen by many charismatics as blase over the “experience” of the Spirit, not realizing that if don’t study and really know God’s word that there are a lot of counterfeit spiritual experiences out there that lead people astray. Unfortunately, for many charismatics (the name it and claim it types) emotion and experience are seen as superior to studying sound doctrine in the Bible.
At this point I’m usually asked, “Well, how do you know that your interpretation is correct and someone else’s is wrong?” Good question, there are some passages that are open to more than one interpretation - but, most of the scriptures are very clear given the context (what comes before and after the passage you are reading) and understanding of the vocabulary.
I love what you said here:
“I do believe this though. As with Daniel was in the lions den and the lions mouth were closed and as with his three students who were thrown into a furnace GOD will not forsake us but rather Christ will be there to bring us through the conclusion of it. The conclusion may well be one of being called home. So be it. Christ Kingdom and His Kingdom which is forever is not of this earth for earth shall pass away.”
You are absolutely correct. Again, God bless you and your sweet wife. It is difficult to always keep things in their proper perspective, but I heard a sentiment the other day which helped me. It said that, “As bad as life on this earth gets is inversely proportionate as to how good it will be with God and His Son, the Lord Jesus, in Heaven.” I, like you, look forward to that “new Heaven, and a new earth”. Come, Lord Jesus.
If God guaranteed healing now in this life, then why are people not healed? You are making God out to be a liar.
The truth is that God can and does heal. Just not in the way that Pentecostals and Charismatics describe.
this is just out right bad theology
Yes it is bad. But it sells a lot of CD’s and books so people keep cranking out bad messages “in the name of Jesus”.
If you want Bible and sound Theology, don’t look towards Charismatics/Pentecostalism.
This is a Bible based perspective on healing:
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-60/does-god-still-heal
I still remember Oral Roberts comparing God to a soda machine...you put a quarter in and you get a soda out....you tithe to God (through Oral’s church of course) and you will get money back....It made me so mad.
Too often it is this type of ‘preaching’ that ends up blinding people to the real joy that comes from living a life that is full of grace and blessing—— and that means that my insides ( my psyche) is in the right place regardless of what the physicality of my life is. I can be poor and yet rich. I can be healthy and yet dying of a terminal disease. I can be happy in the face of all adversity.
Yes! Plenty of people are deceived because they enable the wickedness of false teachers like Oral Roberts and many others.
The darkest pits of Hell are reserved for these false teachers.
The ultimate healing will not take place on this earth or in this body. Gods grace through the shed blood of Jesus the Christ his son, and the Holy Spirit will sustain me until that happens.
Ever read Job?
A friendship quickly formed and on our days off me, her, and the kids went to the movies etc. It was on one of those outings she collapsed and fell to the floor. The first couple of days were touch and go and doctors had no answers as to why it happened. That answer was a year away. She spent a total of six months in the hospital during the third month we married. That was roughly six months after my first wife died. The events that happened and unfolded in that time frame were turbulent to say the least. Questions? I had many more questions than answers especially the right ones.
GOD knows our request and our needs even before we call on Him. In the first week at the hospital two preachers came in. She knew them from a previous church she had attended but I didn't. They laid hands upon her for healing. When they started praying I was overcome with a peace unknown to me before or since. From that peace came a voice "It's going to be OK". I at first mistook it for she was to be healed. But that is not what I was told. The initial prognoses was her arms would stay in a drawn position toward her chest. Within a few days after this she was feeding herself with her bare hands.
The next part is for legalistics. What is right before GOD and the conscience guided by The Holy Spirit? I know what The Bible says about divorce and why. She had been abused and abandoned a couple years before we met. Her husband took another woman a child actually over his family and let them. His abuses were part of the reason for her becoming a quad.
All either one of us sought when we met was a friendship. Our friendship became much more in a very short time. We were not married when she went quad although we had discussed it likely happening in our future like maybe a year away.
A persons physical abilities isn't what makes them who they are. Running away would have been easy and yes at one point I ran. I ran because I had endured so much mental hurt that I was numb. I had no emotion for anything and it scared the living daylights out of me. It took a couple of days for that part of me to be restored and that had happened weeks after what I described happened in the laying on of hands.
With the counseling of her preacher and even several Nuns who were protecting her safety {we aren't Catholic but this was in a Catholic ran hospital} we married in a hospital chapel. Until she was released from the hospital I took the kids to my parents home for their safety and yes there was a matter of their safety I can't talk about except to say they were not in a safe place till that time. Any Solomons around? LOL
There has been no doubt in my mind nor my heart that GOD has had a plan for me to take if I chose to listen and try to carry it out. There is no doubt none whatsoever that my wife and myself being united was not part of that plan for both of us.
We've been very blessed. She's almost died several times. Nine years into our marriage I became disabled myself. How ironic. She lacks physical ability to walk. I lack mental ability often times to even concentrate on simple task but I have my strength which allows me to pick her up. But GOD knew this was to happen to her and me even before we were born.
It's an imperfect world filled with imperfect persons who will make imperfect choices sometimes. Despite ourselves GOD prevails if we allow HIM. It took me several years to even begin to understand what that message I was told "It's going to be OK" meant. GOD knew what we were to face. Those words gave me the strength to face the future. Looking at the grandkids though I understand. This world isn't just about ourselves. But what we do here sure effects the future of others.
GOD is with you. You understand a lot more than many in this world today.
Thank you Wpin for taking the time to read this.
John Leland 1789 I know all are not well, but all I’m saying is healing is God’s will and He made healing available. Thanks!
Thank you GOP Poet for reading this, I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks!
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