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Welcome to Oregon, the State of Teenage Sterilization!
Catholic World Report ^ | 8/21/12 | Carl E. Olson

Posted on 08/22/2012 8:21:58 AM PDT by marshmallow

I've now lived in Oregon for over twenty years, having moved here in the summer of 1991 from Montana. I lived in Portland for a few years, during the craziness of the Measure 9 controversy, then in Eugene (my wife's hometown) since 1995. In 1997, the year that we entered the Catholic Church, Oregon became the first to state to legalize assisted suicide, via the "Death with Dignity Act". As I've sometimes dryly noted, when giving talks in other parts of the country, Oregon is that surreal place where you aren't trusted to pump your own gas, but if you'd like to kill yourself, the State is there to assist you.

Oregon is indeed a curious place, politically and culturally: generally speaking, it likes to present itself as a liberty-loving, eccentric haven for free-thinkers who thumb their nose at convention, tradition, religion, and the mores of middle America. In reality, it is more like a State-operated insane asylum in which the inmates are reassured of how open minded, cutting-edge, and truly liberal they are, while their political masters continuously and confidently promote a culture of death, secular homogenization, and narrow minded bullying that is equally breathtaking and bizarre.

As odd as it might sound, I suspect that one reason Oregon's political leaders are able to pull many of the deadly, anti-life stunts they do is because of how jaw-dropping beautiful this state is. People are willing to put up with a lot of craziness in order to live in one of the most gorgeous places in the United States, where they have access to the ocean, beaches, streams, rivers, forests, mountains, and farmlands without the worries of tornadoes, (large) earthquakes, hurricanes, and humidity.

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1 posted on 08/22/2012 8:22:02 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

have they banned opposition parties yet?


2 posted on 08/22/2012 8:39:03 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: marshmallow

As a native Oregonian, I would suggest you move back to Montana...


3 posted on 08/22/2012 8:39:21 AM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

He has a few good observations, and at least he’s not from Califonia!


4 posted on 08/22/2012 8:50:45 AM PDT by enraged
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To: enraged

True enough. But now we’ll have to listen to some folks who spent a week in Portland 10 years ago and will present themselves as experts on all things Northwestern...


5 posted on 08/22/2012 8:57:03 AM PDT by stormer
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To: GeronL
have they banned opposition parties yet?

They're working on it. Despite pockets of resistance, at the state-wide level, Oregon is effectively a one-party state.

6 posted on 08/22/2012 8:57:14 AM PDT by mojito
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To: stormer

Would you say that Carl Olson is lying? Or that he is exaggerating? Or that it is like he says but that you agree with the way it is? Help us out, we non-Oregonians. And what about that self-sterilization thing for 15-year-olds?


7 posted on 08/22/2012 9:08:54 AM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: stormer

You cannot pump your own gas.....????

What the hell....

So does that mean there are no 24 hour gas stations in oregon.....?

Also are they still keeping buggy whip makers employed in that state using the state treasury....

Reminds me of that story in michigan where the union boss said they couldn’t end the positiion of “ferrier (guy who shoes horses) “ because of union rules....

Will they actually fine you if you insist on pumping your own gas? Or will they fine the station... Sounds like a ripe situation for a “I am sparticus” type Tea Party protest at Gas stations and state capitals...


8 posted on 08/22/2012 9:27:23 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

New Jersey is the same way, or at least it used to be when I traveled thru it awhile ago. They had gas pumpers as a means of employing menial skilled workers.


9 posted on 08/22/2012 9:42:55 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: GraceG

New Jersey is the same way, or at least it used to be when I traveled thru it awhile ago. They had gas pumpers as a means of employing menial skilled workers.


10 posted on 08/22/2012 9:43:02 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: GraceG

And let us not forget the guy in White City, OR that was arrested a couple months or so back, for capturing rain water on his own property.

I grew up in Oregon in the 50’s & 60’s when it was a conservative state. Since then you can sum up Oregon as a state that was taken over by Californians who were smart enough to leave California, but too stupid to remember why they left.

And no, you cannot pump your own gas.


11 posted on 08/22/2012 9:43:48 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: jobim
He isn't doing either, but what business of it is his? He didn't provide a single example of a 15 year old getting sterilized, but only showed it is statutorily possible that one could. And by the way, until recently, involuntary sterilization was something that many states did frequently. As far as gas goes, yeah, there is no self serve - as far as I know you can't pump your own gas in New Jersey either, but I don't hear anyone bitching about that. And for what it's worth, initiatives for allowing self serve have come up before - they get defeated at the ballot box. Democracy at work...
12 posted on 08/22/2012 9:47:08 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly
The guy in question constructed three reservoirs, one involving a 20 foot high dam. Water in Oregon is a public asset; he was in effect stealing from his neighbors, and continued to do so after his permit was pulled...
13 posted on 08/22/2012 9:55:52 AM PDT by stormer
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To: jobim
Carl Olson is telling the truth. He is a convert to Catholicism. I have heard him speak. He was excellent.

About the Author
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Carl E. Olson
Carl E. Olson is editor of Catholic World Report and Ignatius Insight.

14 posted on 08/22/2012 10:13:42 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I've now lived in Oregon for over twenty years, having moved here in the summer of 1991 from Montana. I lived in Portland for a few years, during the craziness of the Measure 9 controversy, then in Eugene (my wife's hometown) since 1995. In 1997, the year that we entered the Catholic Church, Oregon became the first to state to legalize assisted suicide, via the "Death with Dignity Act". As I've sometimes dryly noted, when giving talks in other parts of the country, Oregon is that surreal place where you aren't trusted to pump your own gas, but if you'd like to kill yourself, the State is there to assist you.

Oregon is indeed a curious place, politically and culturally: generally speaking, it likes to present itself as a liberty-loving, eccentric haven for free-thinkers who thumb their nose at convention, tradition, religion, and the mores of middle America. In reality, it is more like a State-operated insane asylum in which the inmates are reassured of how openminded, cutting-edge, and truly liberal they are, while their political masters continuously and confidently promote a culture of death, secular homogenization, and narrowminded bullying that is equally breathtaking and bizarre.

As odd as it might sound, I suspect that one reason Oregon's political leaders are able to pull many of the deadly, anti-life stunts they do is because of how jaw-dropping beautiful this state is. People are willing to put up with a lot of craziness in order to live in one of the most gorgeous places in the United States, where they have access to the ocean, beaches, streams, rivers, forests, mountains, and farmlands without the worries of tornadoes, (large) earthquakes, hurricanes, and humidity. (We do take our chances with volcanoes.) Of course, it's not as if all Oregonians are ultra-progressive crusaders for euthanasia, abortion, same-sex marriage, and all the other faddish ills of enlightened secularism; there are, in fact, many good, sane people here (even if few of them go to church or practice "organized religion"—
Oregon leads the nation "with 25% of its residents claiming no particular religious identity").

But, in the end, Oregon seems deadset on being California, Jr.—or even outdoing California in some ways,
as this recent bit of news indicates:

LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - Forget the milestones of obtaining a driver's license at 16 and being able to legally drink at 21 - getting sterilized at 15 is now the first step in the social maturity process of an American youth.

The "Required Health Plan Coverage Guidelines" set forth by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services states: "Non-grandfathered plans and issuers are required to provide coverage without cost-sharing consistent with these guidelines in the first plan year.that begins on or after August 1, 2012.All [FDA] approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling for all women with reproductive capacity."

Under Oregon State Law, the state's revised statutes (ORS) defines "informed consent" for 15-year-olds independently pursuing reproductive sterilization as being "(a) Based upon a full understanding of the nature and consequences of sterilization pursuant to information requirements set forth in ORS 436.225(1); (b) Given by an individual competent to make such a decision; and (c) Wholly voluntary and free from coercion, express or implied."

Stephanie Zawada, the author of the Catholic Online piece, asks: "So you need parental consent to contract a state-sanctioned marriage under the age of 18 in the U.S., but you, all by yourself, can give full consent to the irreversibility of sterilization at 15? Chances are, you do not even know your future spouse, yet you're already determining his or her fate as well?"

Well, to be fair, thinking ahead and measuring consequences isn't a big part of the dominant Oregon culture; it really is a "live for the moment!" mindset here. So none of this, sadly, is surprising—especially not when you consider the state's political leadership. Oregon's governor, John Kitzhaber, has impeccable pro-abortion credentials; he was re-elected for a record third time despite having a dubious record of accomplishment in any field other than growing the power and influence of the public sector and promoting "choice". While senator, he authored the Oregon healthcare plan (he is an M.D.). “NARAL Pro-Choice Oregon, their members and their volunteers", he says, "can trust that I will always be a pro-choice advocate.”

Eugene, where I live, has one of the worst economies in a state that has one of the weakest economies in the nation. Yet the city recently re-elected Kitty Piercy—a former Public Affairs Director for Planned Parenthood—as mayor, even though she thinks higher taxes are the solution to nearly every economic crisis. Piercy touts her "human rights" record even while being staunchly pro-abortion. She also seems to be irony-challenged; last year she said that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance prior to city council meetings was "divisive", infamously remarking, "If there’s one thing the flag stands for, it’s that people don’t have to be compelled to say the Pledge of Allegiance or anything else.” That sort of inanity is deemed intellectually superior by the hippie and yuppie sets who think "Question Authority" bumper stickers are the epitome of daring wit.

All of which to say that Oregon, with this latest news about teenage sterilizations, continues a not-so-grand, radical tradition of anti-life policies and anti-family attitudes. Again, this is hardly surprising—not for a state that "does not have any of the major types of abortion restrictions—such as waiting periods, mandated parental involvement or limitations on publicly funded abortions—often found in other states" (Guttmacher Institute, "State Facts About Abortion: Oregon").


15 posted on 08/22/2012 10:18:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: stormer; Salvation
what business of it is his? An odd response. His sister grew up there and he lives there and he's a US citizen.

He didn't provide a single example of a 15 year old getting sterilized Probably difficult to get this info on minor children. And the fact that a law exists at all addresses Olson's thesis.

you can't pump your own gas in New Jersey That's bad as well, but doesn't lessen the badness of Oregon's nannystatehood

they get defeated at the ballot box. Democracy at work... That would seem to be Olson's point - that the population of Oregon has a majority of nature-loving nannystate socialists.

I know about such things, living in jaw-droppingly beautiful redredred Hawaii. Carl Olson is a writer I often read, and respect.
16 posted on 08/22/2012 10:51:52 AM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: marshmallow; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...
We really do need to get rid of these dimocrat thinking governor and legislature.

If you aren't on this ping list and are interested
in articles about Oregon, please FReepmail me.

17 posted on 08/22/2012 11:04:11 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: jobim

** That would seem to be Olson’s point - that the population of Oregon has a majority of nature-loving nannystate socialists.**

Only Portland and Eugene areas are blue. The rest of the state is Republican — but it is hard to fight the big cities. Eugene is the home of the University of Oregon and the Ducks. Liberal spot to be avoided in my opinion.


18 posted on 08/22/2012 11:07:53 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: stormer

“... he was in effect stealing from his neighbors...”

I think that sums up the point exactly. Your property is not yours and what falls on it from the heavens isn’t yours either. It belongs to the state or the “collective”. Sounds just a little socialistic doesn’t it?

Do all his neighbors not get the same amount of rain? Were his neighbors capturing the run-off from his property to live on? Wouldn’t that be considered stealing HIS water? What were his neighbors doing with his water that they couldn’t do while he was collecting, er, stealing it?

I grew up in Medford, and I can attest that it gets enough rain for everyone in the Rogue Valley (which contains White City) - especially if you have the foresight to store some on your property for the occasional 104 degree days in July/August.


19 posted on 08/22/2012 11:16:52 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: stormer
As a cheerleader for all Oregon's idiotic, socialist policies you must closely resemble one of those bizarre hippies from that show Portlandia.....

Sad for you.

20 posted on 08/22/2012 11:33:37 AM PDT by monday
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly

We’re not talking about a little runoff - he had stored 13 million gallons of water...


21 posted on 08/22/2012 11:56:12 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly
Oregon [. . .] a state that was taken over by Californians who were smart enough to leave California, but too stupid to remember why they left.

Very good line. I confess to being an Oregon visitor (3 times and may be going for a 4th this fall). Not enough time to really understand the place, but I see a difference between the East and the West in the public behavior and private attitudes of the people I see and meet. Seems like it's a natural place for libertarians, so there is hope.

22 posted on 08/22/2012 12:15:43 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: stormer

“We’re not talking about a little runoff - he had stored 13 million gallons of water...”

His land. Rainwater. Still don’t see the crime here. To my knowledge he was never accused of diverting a river or a stream, was he?

If he hadn’t captured the rainwater, it would indeed have been runoff.


23 posted on 08/22/2012 12:50:59 PM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: firebrand

” I confess to being an Oregon visitor (3 times and may be going for a 4th this fall). Not enough time to really understand the place, but I see a difference between the East and the West in the public behavior and private attitudes of the people I see and meet.”

Oregon is one of the most beautiful states in the Union. It has 3 distinct regions with 3 different sets of people. The coast where it rains 11 months of the year and is populated by hippies. The central part between the Coast range and Cascades where it rains 10 months of the year and is populated by socialists. And East of the Cascades where it rains 1 month of the year and is populated by self-reliant people who just want the government to leave them alone (except Bend) :-)

I’d love to move back - my sister still lives there. It is a beautiful place and I love the mountains. But after living in the freedom of Texas, I just couldn’t put up with the politically correct Barbara Streisand - or the outrageous land prices, or not being able to pump my own gas.


24 posted on 08/22/2012 1:05:26 PM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly
To my knowledge he was never accused of diverting a river or a stream, was he?

Yes, he was, and that was the entire point. He was diverting one of the tributaries of the stream that Medford gets it's drinking water from.

25 posted on 08/22/2012 2:20:15 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly

After reading your post about regions and 3 sets of people, I see that you don’t know Oregon at all. I grew up in Eugene and have family all over the state. I may just move back in a few months.

I plan on moving in with my sister to help her out with her land on the east side of the Will. Valley. If you call people in most of the Willamette Valley outside the University towns and Salem socialists, you’d better run far and fast.


26 posted on 08/22/2012 2:29:47 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr

“Yes, he was, and that was the entire point. He was diverting one of the tributaries of the stream that Medford gets it’s drinking water from.”

This was not the stories I read. If this is what he was doing, then he was wrong.


27 posted on 08/22/2012 4:47:33 PM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: jimtorr

“After reading your post about regions and 3 sets of people, I see that you don’t know Oregon at all.”

I do know Oregon - didn’t know I needed a \sarc tag. I thought it was a wild enough generalization that would explain itself.

My sister also lives in the Willamette Valley and she is no socialist either. Probably 10-20 non-socialists in the center of the state. \sarc - just in case.


28 posted on 08/22/2012 4:54:26 PM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly

Okay, I took you seriously when I shouldn’t have.

It’s just that there are entirely too many people who rip all three pacific coast states for the actions of extremists, without considering the many conservatives, who are actually the majority in most areas. Overwhelmed by the dense urban populations who think harvesting onions is murder, dairy cows are enslaved, and owls really care where they nest.


29 posted on 08/22/2012 7:35:09 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: stormer

“True enough. But now we’ll have to listen to some folks who spent a week in Portland 10 years ago and will present themselves as experts on all things Northwestern...”

Did you read the article? He’s lived here for over 20 years, as have I.

I read the article, and totally agree with every, single word written, especially this...

“But, in the end, Oregon seems deadset on being California, Jr.—or even outdoing California in some ways...”

If you are a native Oregonian, and haven’t lived anywhere else, I can understand you being indignant.

However, as much as you might hate to hear this, Oregon is a bastion of liberalism, and is not the wonderful place you think it is, nor is the wonderful state I moved to over 20 years ago.

And, it was a lovely state 20 years ago...


30 posted on 08/22/2012 11:56:48 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: GraceG

There are 24 hour gas stations here.

Frankly, with the bad weather most of the year, I don’t mind not pumping my own gas.

So....NO....I will not go all Spartacus on them. ;o)


31 posted on 08/22/2012 11:59:31 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: stormer
...he had stored 13 million gallons of water.

He worked for it, which is something not allowed in this socialist utopia...

32 posted on 08/23/2012 5:09:35 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: dixiechick2000

This “native Oregonian” nonsense is just irritating to me...

Too many “native” Oregonians act as if this is their own little fiefdom and not part of the United States of America, so they feel they are free to violate people’s natural rights liberty with impunity.

The term “kangaroo court” comes right out of Oregon, where Australian immigrant miners were having their mining claims stolen through the local courts.

Oregon has the most corrupt civil courts in the country.


33 posted on 08/23/2012 5:15:49 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
This “native Oregonian” nonsense is just irritating to me...

Too many “native” Oregonians act as if this is their own little fiefdom and not part of the United States of America, so they feel they are free to violate people’s natural rights liberty with impunity.

Pretty funny coming from a guy from the South...

The term “kangaroo court” comes right out of Oregon, where Australian immigrant miners were having their mining claims stolen through the local courts.

Wrong - it's from Texas...

Oregon has the most corrupt civil courts in the country.

You're entitled to you own opinions, you're not entitled to you own facts. Do you have a source for your preposterous claim?

34 posted on 08/23/2012 5:46:14 AM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

I live in four different states...


35 posted on 08/23/2012 5:49:16 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: stormer

“Do you have a source for your preposterous claim?”

Your former flaming leftist supreme court judge / governor Turd Colonoscopy is just one example.


36 posted on 08/23/2012 5:52:24 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Salvation

Just a few facts I would like to point out to the (rightfully so) scathing comments on PORTLAND/SALEM politics of the state of Oregon.

About 1/2 to 2/3 of this state deeply resents the rulings that the “State of Portland” puts out. We refer to ourselves as “State of Jefferson”. This is the historical reference to when northern CA and southern OR nearly seceded from the remaining portions of the respective states to form their own new state, called “Jefferson”. The proposal was scheduled to be voted on in Congress - two days after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Needless to say, Congress was a bit distracted by that point, and the new state was not formed. So there is a history of dissatisfaction with not only Salem/Portland, but also Sacramento. The problem is that the mostly rural areas don’t have a high enough density in population to effectively make a difference via voting.

So if you need to slam (again, rightfully so) the State of Portland, please remember that the State of Jefferson is suffering from the idiots in control, and do not include them in the slam.


37 posted on 08/23/2012 7:16:10 AM PDT by Rio (Tempis fugit.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood; stormer

“Do you have a source for your preposterous claim?”

“Your former flaming leftist supreme court judge / governor Turd Colonoscopy is just one example.”

No kidding? I missed that!

Do you have a link?

I don’t like him one bit.

In reply to your response upthread...I have to come to Oregon’s defense.

The problem has been a huge migration of SoCal folks. They didn’t like property values and taxes down there, so they moved here.

They brought their liberal politics with them, and voted accordingly. It’s a shame.

However, we had a move back to the right in the 2010 election.

This time, as hard as it is for me to believe, my husband’s long time and extremely progressive attorney is going to vote for Ryan.

LOL! Go figure...


38 posted on 08/24/2012 12:11:49 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: mojito

No it isn’t a one-party state, only Portland and Eugene.


39 posted on 08/25/2012 9:08:49 PM PDT by MarilynBr
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To: marshmallow

By requiring stations to provide gas attendants, Oregon creates 20,000 jobs per year. It is illegal for you to pump your own gas, or even exit your vehicle, at the pump. If, like me, you’ve always hated pumping gasoline because it gets your hands dirty and you can accidentally spill a drop on your clothes (girly reasons), then this is a great service. It’s also nice to have someone politely greet you and help you if you need oil or water, instead of dealing with a rude Arab inside. Somehow, if does not increase the gas prices, they are in line with surrounding states, based on regional, etc, factors.


40 posted on 09/01/2012 4:10:07 PM PDT by baa39
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