Posted on 08/25/2012 12:30:50 PM PDT by sayuncledave
That seems pretty consistent with the founders:
"Hence it is that democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and in general have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths... A republic, by which I mean a government in which a scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect and promises the cure for which we are seeking." (James Madison, Federalist Papers, the McClean Edition, Federalist Paper #10, page 81, 1788)
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" Franklin, Benjamin
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” - Thomas Jefferson
“Our real disease - which is democracy.” - Alexander Hamilton
“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” - John Adams
“Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy; such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit, and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable [abominable] cruelty of one or a very few.” - John Adams
“A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way. The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness [excessive license] which the ambitious call, and ignorant believe to be liberty.” - Fisher Ames
No kidding. Most Catholics on FR seem to have trouble with the statement that a functional, constitutional representative republic is the best form of government over any country, at any time. I suspect that many secretly believe that a "benevolent Catholic dictatorship" is better than a constitutional republic. Voris certainly thinks so, but how many Catholics publicly take Voris to task for it? The silence is deafening.
I’ve not gotten one since that monarchist guy in Texas got canned, I forget his screen name but he developed an odd fixation on trains much like Willie Green, shortly before departing.
That would be B-Chan, who was banned for posting his death-wish for democracy and preference for Monarchy, on a Voris thread.
1) We have a short term political problem:
Personally, I am voting for Romney because the alternative is just too horrific. Hopefully, it will buy us time for the longer term strategies to take effect.
2) Long term political strategies:
I am working with local Tea Parties. We have already won some major victories and we have moved moral and conservative candidates into positions where they have a really likelihood of moving into positions of power.
3) We need a moral revival in this nation starting with our CHILDREN!
Our **most** important mission field is our **own** children. The next most important mission field is the children of our congregation. Once we fully fulfill our responsibilities in these two areas, then we can reach out and be missionaries to others. Sending children into godless government schools is shear idiocy if we expect our children to adopt the Faith of their Fathers. Properly evangelizing our own children will yield good fruit in the future, and possibly armies of missionaries who will work to change the hearts of people one at a time.
Dirty poor and illiterate Catholics managed somehow to educate their children in tuition-free Catholic schools. Catholics in Wichita, Kansas, do it **today**! Now! So?...Why can't Christians across this nation do it NOW! If nuns were essentially dedicated volunteers, then why can faithful Christians ( especially those who are retired) volunteer as well? Do we lack tuition-free Christian schooling because there are too many government teachers sitting in the pews? Is it because too many wives of ministers are government teachers and employees? Are Christian leaders afraid of biting the hand that puts money in the collection plate?
We must pray for our nation but honestly I don't know why God would show us any favor:
1) Believing Christians continue to send their kids into godless indoctrination camps where their children **must** think and reason godlessly just to cooperate in the classroom. Do do this to a child is **fundamentally** against every Christian principle!
2) Millions can turn out to buy a chicken sandwich and somehow we can't shut down every abortion center in this nation and peacefully and legally make it impossible for them to make a profit? Really? Sure we could, if the will to do it were really there.
Descending into moral rot SLOWER is better than descending into moral rot FASTER.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It buys time. Which is sorely needed.
The Progressive Marxists got our nation to this point through infiltrating education ( which was really easy given that its been a socialist-entitlement from the beginning) and legislative gradualism. Little by little they tightened the ratchet.
So....For Christian conservatives to get **everything** they want **immediately** would require a bloody revolution. Personally, I think that would be horrific and absolutely every possible alternative must be explored and fully exploited to avoid that.
If Christians and moral conservatives can turn the ratchet in their direction perhaps in fifty years we can achieve **all** our goals. We must start with education, just as the Progressive Marxists did. We must work to completely shut down government owned and run K-12 schooling and get as many kids out of the Marxist dominated colleges as possible. ( Charles Murray has some good ideas on how to do that.)
Peace be with you
Are you having trouble saying that a functional, constitutional representative republic is the best form of government over any country, at any time?
Not at all, providing that the principles it is based upon are compatible with Catholic / Christian values. But not all republics are equal.
Are you having trouble saying that democracies are not objectively the same as republics and that a tyranny of a majority is less desirable than what Plato called philosopher kings, providing they espouse a wholly Christian philosophy?
Peace be with you
To be honest I’d much rather have the Papists running things than Barack Hussain Obama, Mitt Romney, Karl Rove, Nancy Pelosi, and so on and so forth. Voris is fundamentally right on Democracy, which is what our Republic has certainly devolved into, especially with the healthcare ruling. There is essentially no constitutional protected rights anymore, and I don’t expect them to be retrieved any time soon with our current flock of “representative” leaders. What will likely happen is this: At some point the ponzi scheme that is social security, medicare, medicaid and all the other government programs will reach a point where the banksters and politicians can no longer kick the can down the road. If the military is not stripped bare and if we do not immediately get invaded by the Russians and Chinese, then the economy will collapse, we’ll probably still get invaded, and what we’ll have at the end is a monarchy. And, in fact, there will be monarchies across the world, with little Hitlers here or there rising up from the ruins of the former capitalist economies that tried socialism and Godlessness and faced the inevitable result: absolute rule by evil men.
But this (arguing over Catholic Monarchies, Protestant monarchies) is like arguing over Utopias or our pet ideology, looking to a perfect world. The world will never be perfect, there will never be a perfect governmental order, and that is because men are inherently imperfect and prone to delusions and wickedness. A discussion about the tooth fairy or Santa Claus would be more beneficial.
Appreciate the effort. There aren't many Catholics that prefer a monarchy. I understand the logic and the appeal to the rational, but the fact is that nowhere in Catholic theology is the prescription of temporal government.
Is that your answer to my question, or an evasion? Where do you stand on the mentioned moral evils, such as abortion, so-called gay “marriage,” et al? If your sole intention was to insert another anti-Voris diatribe, take it to a more appropriate spot, such as your own posting, please. Your opinion of Voris has no bearing on the merits of the words of the original post. All it does is repeat your opinion.
LULWAT...? I can’t begin to read that many words
Thanks AM. Very interesting.
s, w added interest ping.
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