Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Was Cardinal Carlo Martini the Last Liberal Catholic Bishop?
The Washington Post ^ | 9/7/12 | Alessandro Speciale

Posted on 09/08/2012 6:07:24 AM PDT by marshmallow

VATICAN CITY — With the recent death of Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, Catholics who call for church reform on issues such as homosexuality and priestly celibacy have lost one of their last leading lights in the top echelons of the church’s hierarchy.

Martini, who died Aug. 31, was a Jesuit and an archbishop of Milan from 1980-2002. More importantly, he was considered for decades the informal leader of “liberals” inside the church. But he has no clear successor in the current crop of cardinals.

He had a “rare combination of skills as a scholar, pastor, communicator and holy man,” said the Rev. Thomas Reese, a church expert and fellow at Georgetown University’s Woodstock Theological Center. This allowed him to be an independent voice in the church that prizes conformity to tradition.

“If there was a young Martini in the church today,” Reese said, “he would not be made a bishop or cardinal.”

Since the late Pope John Paul II assumed the papacy, there has been an effort to remake the hierarchy by appointing bishops who would unquestioningly follow Vatican thinking started under John Paul. Ironically, it was John Paul who elevated Martini to the episcopacy in his first year as pope. After that, John Paul mainly appointed conservative bishops.

With Martini’s death, the church risks losing liberal Catholics who push for changes in church structure and discipline. “The progressive wing of the church will simply give up on the hierarchy and the hierarchy will try to push the progressives out of the church,” Reese said.

But the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, editor of a Jesuit-run official Vatican magazine, “Civilta Cattolica,” said the division between liberals and conservatives in the church is “forced and simplistic.”

Labeling Martini as a “liberal,” he said, has the effect of “silencing his prophetic legacy for the....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS:

1 posted on 09/08/2012 6:07:27 AM PDT by marshmallow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

Is he the last?

We can hope.


2 posted on 09/08/2012 6:21:15 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

There are plenty of liberal bishops. Not so many completely reckless ones. But I belieeve Bishop Hubbard (Albany) is still around, and he is as left as Martini.


3 posted on 09/08/2012 6:25:38 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I have a new zest for life!"--Calvin from Las Vegas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow
"Martini often distanced himself from those who portrayed him as an “anti-pope,” and always praised the more conservative Pope Benedict XVI. But his willingness to discuss ideas at odds with church doctrine made him a respected figure among nonbelievers and lapsed Catholics."

[Obama] often distanced himself from those who portrayed him as an “anti-[American],” and always praised the more conservative [Ronald Reagan]. But his willingness to discuss ideas at odds with [the Constitution] made him a respected figure among [foreigners] and [liberals].

Same sh*t, different day...

4 posted on 09/08/2012 6:28:59 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow
No he was not the last liberal. But he was the last liberal who was also a serious and accomplished academic and ecclesiastic in his own right.

No remaining leftist has his stature and few leftists ever had his intellect.

Schillebeeckx's death, Kung's demotion and Danneels' disgrace left Martini as the last "giant", the last great advocate of "the spirit of the Council."

One unpleasant chapter of the Church's history has closed. Much more needs to be done.

5 posted on 09/08/2012 6:39:09 AM PDT by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

Social Justice, Liberation Theology, whatever: the whole edifice is based on covetness and envy of what others have, combined with Sloth.

Two of the Seven Deadly Sins combined with violation of the eighth Commandment. What could be more un-holy than this and why would a prince of the Church support it?


6 posted on 09/08/2012 6:49:51 AM PDT by plangent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DuncanWaring

Until several excommunications are announced in this country, I think we can safely presume that some American bishop will pick up the slack.


7 posted on 09/08/2012 8:37:49 AM PDT by Mach9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Mach9

Wouldn’t surprise me at all.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 8:43:46 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

There’s always Bp Stephen Blaire of Stockton. He’s 71, so there’s another 4 years years until he retires.


9 posted on 09/08/2012 8:59:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

“The progressive wing of the church will simply give up on the hierarchy and the hierarchy will try to push the progressives out of the church,” Reese said.

One can hope that Reese will be part of the exodus.

10 posted on 09/08/2012 9:16:28 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

I gather that JPII was around long enough to almost completely reinvent the upper echelons through attrition, a lot of the appointments likely vetted by BXVI. So except for the few who elude the screening process, liberal bishops are pretty much an endangered species.


11 posted on 09/08/2012 9:43:47 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

Nope, not the last, unfortunately.


12 posted on 09/08/2012 10:03:28 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow
“The progressive wing of the church will simply give up on the hierarchy and the hierarchy will try to push the progressives out of the church,” Reese said.

The "progressive wing" will do what it will do--though large numbers of them seem most interested in the destruction of Christ's Church as a first priority and will continue to stay in from evil motives. Hopefully, the hierarchy will begin/continue to call its flock to the faith once delivered. If that "forces" some out, that is of their will.

The Holy Spirit is preparing the Body of Christ for persecution, and we must welcome the trials that come.

13 posted on 09/08/2012 1:58:16 PM PDT by Faraday
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Not the last, of course. Modernism still has many adherents in the Church. They are just subdued, as they were in the Years after Pius X. Notice how quickly the Americanists took over the process during Vatican II.


14 posted on 09/08/2012 2:15:22 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: RobbyS

That was a very interesting, if disturbing, phenomenon, and it would be a good idea for the church to chart that out and figure out why it happened.


15 posted on 09/08/2012 3:19:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

The strangest thing....

We have an associate pastor at our parish who is from Columbia. He is a wonderful priest, very reverent and has brought to our parish some of the more solemn and joyous celebrations of his country’s traditions.

I had never participated in a Corpus Christi procession and at Holy Thursday, he added an element to the washing of the feet that was so profound. Each of the twelve men who were chosen to have their feet washed held a sign with a sin on it and as he had his feet washed, he held up the sign and a reader spoke of the sin and asked Jesus’ pardon for that sin. It was just beautiful.

I have known him for a couple of years now and he has always seemed to be very orthodox and traditional.

The other day at morning Mass his sermon on the Gospel about the wine skins was about this bishop. He spoke of how the pharisees challenged Jesus and the disciples for not adhering to the ancient ways.

He spoke of how this Bishop Martini was not afraid to speak out about “new” things and he quoted someone saying the Church is about 200 years behind the times.

I was not sure what to think. If this had come from our pastor who is somewhat liberal, I wouldn’t have been surprised. But from this priest, I was a little taken aback and now am looking at him differently.


16 posted on 09/08/2012 3:38:41 PM PDT by Jvette
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow
Nope. They're pretty much all liberal.

Next question.

17 posted on 09/08/2012 6:24:21 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow
“The progressive wing of the church will simply give up on the hierarchy and the hierarchy will try to push the progressives out of the church,” Reese said.

bye,bye

18 posted on 09/10/2012 1:28:52 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

False, for someone who has no idea what he’s talking about, some posters just want to shoot their mouth’s off. Your knee-jerk false statements denigrates everything your posts say. They have zero value due to the knee-jerk stupidity in some posts


19 posted on 09/10/2012 1:38:12 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

Your opinion and your opinion alone.


20 posted on 09/10/2012 2:59:59 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl
Your opinion and your opinion alone.

All Catholic bishops believe the first eleven chapters of Genesis is mythology. That may not be liberalism in your book, but it is in mine.

21 posted on 09/10/2012 6:51:22 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
False, for someone who has no idea what he’s talking about, some posters just want to shoot their mouth’s off. Your knee-jerk false statements denigrates everything your posts say. They have zero value due to the knee-jerk stupidity in some posts

Oh FCOL, what did I say that offended you so badly that you felt compelled to border-line violate the forum rules with a personal attack???

The vast majority of Catholic bishops subscribe to higher criticism and believe the first eleven chapters of Genesis is mythology based on Babylonian and Canaanite sources. Surely you are as aware of that as I am.

Perhaps you can in the future prevent your blood pressure from zooming to dangerous heights by simply recalling that in my book anyone who rejects total Biblical inerrancy or who believes that Genesis 1-11 is a liberal.

22 posted on 09/10/2012 6:58:34 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson