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To: Unam Sanctam

Sorry, I disagree. VC II was declared to be a purely pastoral council. And that is how I view it; especially when it states I worship the same God the muslims do.

And with that in mind, I suspect other “pastoral” statements from that council.


19 posted on 09/12/2012 6:28:39 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

You did not address a single one of my points. How can you reject the specific “Vatican II” documents, adopted by an Ecumenical Council and approved by the Pope, especially where it repeats what has always been Catholic teaching? Even SSPX doesn’t reject everything in the documents, and Lefebvre voted for many of them. It does not do to say the Council was only Pastoral, since the documents had plenty of doctrine, particularly in the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium, and the Dogmatic Constitution on Revelation. I think it unreasonable to simply reject everything out of hand rather than accept and interpret in an hermeneutic of continuity, as the Pope does.


20 posted on 09/12/2012 7:08:20 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: ebb tide

And as for the Moslems, they have a wrong and misguided understanding of God, but to the extent their view of God is exactly the same as Catholics, then obviously it is true, or else you are illogically saying that the Catholic Faith is not true. Is God beneficent and merciful, as the Moslems say? Yes, despite their wrong views about God in other respects.


21 posted on 09/12/2012 7:10:54 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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