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Are Conservatives Abandoning Romney? [Say What?!? 7-10% of Tea Party Evangelicals support Obama??]
The Right Sphere ^ | September 16, 2012 | Tom Dougherty

Posted on 09/17/2012 7:31:00 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

There have been 16 public polls conducted in swing states within the last week and there is an alarming statistic, consistent in all the polls regardless of the pollster party bias, that should have the Romney camp more than a little worried and possibly perplexed.

The numbers are clear that self-described conservatives are not supporting Governor Romney in sufficient numbers to win the election. Additionally there is anecdotal evidence that Evangelicals and Tea Party supporters are not embracing the Romney-Ryan ticket at levels that would be expected.

Looking at the crosstabs of the polls conducted in Colorado, Florida, New Hampshire, Ohio and Virginia within the last ten days, and averaging the support for Obama and Romney by ideology, the chart below speaks thousands of words.

Obama has a 7% greater support level among liberals than Romney has among conservatives, and a 6.8% favorable delta among likely voters who are “bolting from the base”. Without any demographic adjustment, using the raw data from the polls in those five states, Obama has an average lead of 2.5%.

If conservatives were supporting Governor Romney at the same level liberals are supporting President Obama, without any change to the level of support from self-described moderates, Romney could have a 4% plus lead in five states that have a total of 73 electoral votes

With my current electoral map showing Obama with 237 votes and Romney with 222, 73 votes is the ballgame, and by a comfortable margin.

In addition to the ideology breakdowns, the crosstabs show Tea Party supporters favor Romney over Obama, 85.0% to 10.6%, and Evangelical Christians favor Romney over Obama, 63.0% to 28.2%. Now I can immediately write-off a large part of the evangelical numbers because three of the polls conducted by Marist Polling state that 33% of evangelicals support Obama and that skews the numbers badly.

What I can’t write off is there are 7% to 10% of the electorate who describe themselves as either Tea Partiers or Evangelical Christians that are supporting Barack Obama in these five critical states. This is the empirical part of questioning the lack of support from ultra-conservatives within the Republican Party.

Anecdotally speaking there is also evidence that a faction of the party, large enough to insure a Romney-Ryan victory, is not fully behind the GOP ticket. In the last week I have received a minimum of a dozen emails from Tea Party organizations and other ultra-conservative groups demanding the ouster of Barack Obama in November but failing to even mention the names, Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan.

A few of these organizations may have charters as 527’s or another quasi-political group that prevents them from expressing specific support for a given candidate but I know the vast majority are not. So the question that begs to be asked of these groups is if you want Obama gone, why are you not advocating for a Romney-Ryan victory in November?

We are looking at a presidential race today that literally is a statistical tie, and yes I know that phrase is overworked but it is the truth, with President Obama having the upper hand. Clearly there is somewhere between 7% and 15% of conservatives who, while seemingly committed to seeing Obama as a one-term president, are not supporting the only option to victory in November that achieves their stated goal.

So my answer to the question asked is yes, conservatives are abandoning Romney, and that is an answer many Republicans must find unsettling.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; christianvote; conservatives; elections; evangelicals; obama; romney
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To: JRandomFreeper
‘The message “We don't need conservatives” was heard loud and clear.’

That really isn't the case. the ‘conservative’ vote was split between Gingrich and Santorum. Also a fair amount of Conservatives decided that Romney was the best choice to take the election and deny O’Bumbler a second four years of destruction.

The votes for many, such as yourself, are virtually meaningless. You live in TX. Romney will take TX with or without your vote, it is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

You have the luxury of voting your conscience and being high and mighty.

Those of us in a state like OH, VA, WI, PA, FL, NC & IA don't have that luxury, our votes are serious and they count. In NC O’Bumbler took the state by a couple thousand votes. He could do the same in any one of the swing states.

Do what you like in CA, TX, IL, RI, NY or the host of other uncontested states.

Please, Do not deter those of us from doing the right thing and voting the jackass O’Bumbler out. A little less tub thumping would be appreciated by those of us who have to do the actual lifting.

101 posted on 09/17/2012 9:15:34 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Louis Foxwell
"O is eminently impeachable if not indictable as a fraud and enemy of the state. R will merely continue the same policies we are all against and be untouchable. There are no good choices."

That's true but only if we win the senate. And if Obama wins the election, they won't impeach O unless he gets a lot worse.

But they can tie Obama's hands in a lot of ways.

102 posted on 09/17/2012 9:18:00 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Cicero

“No one is abandoning Romney. The GOPe tried to force Romney down their throats, and they aren’t having it.

Nor, as far as I have seen, have ANY Freepers said that they would vote for Obama. They have simply said that they cannot in good conscience vote for either one of them, since they are both gay marriage supporters, baby killers, and big government socialists. And, I would add, entitled narcissists of the first order.

Is this the fault of Evangelicals with principles? Or is it the fault of the corrupt GOP party handlers, who keep on trying to force lousy candidates on the conservative base?”

Well said Cicero.


103 posted on 09/17/2012 9:19:52 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Welcome to Free Republic.

Huh? They guy's been a member for 12 years.

104 posted on 09/17/2012 9:20:41 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
My vote is meaningless? What? I was told here on FR that I was singlehandledly responsible for the 4 horsemen.

I'd vote the same anywhere else. Voting my concience isn't being high and mighty. It's being humble and subservient to the will of God.

My vote was meaningless way before the convention because Florida cheated and held their primary early, and because of stuff that happened in other early states, like rules changed after the vote...

Own it, if you are voting for a liberal. Don't be shy.

/johnny

106 posted on 09/17/2012 9:23:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DannyTN
Romney wins, we've got 8 more years before we have a chance to put a conservative in office. If Obama wins, we can do it in 4.

Balderdash! If 0 wins, there won't be another chance for conservatives, at all. Like Mark Steyn says, if 0 is re-elected, America in 2016 will look nothing like America even today. But, go ahead and promote 0's re-election and the demise of this great nation.

107 posted on 09/17/2012 9:27:06 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: SE Mom

I have climbed over the fence for Romney but I’m hoping the barbed wire that tore my political seat desires is just a minor mishap. We will see and I’m hoping many others eventually will see the dangers of making an avowed Musslim-commie POTUSA will take the chance I am taking.


108 posted on 09/17/2012 9:30:03 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: fr_freak

Romney gives us a POTUS who doesn’t hate America and everything it stands for. That’s what we have now. It gives us time to fix some of what’s broken. It’s a shot.

There were Conservatives running in GOP primary and none of them got enough votes to be the nominee. That’s a fact. The blame falls to those running and those doing the voting. Romney is the nom now and he’s running against Obama. It is what it is.

Your defeatist attitude about America and Americans is disgusting, imo. The overall direction of this Country is because the people didn’t fight when the Institutions were being taken over by the fringe. This was happening more than half a century ago, over 70 yrs ago. It isn’t anything new. And, our government has been incrementally taking away our rights since the early 1800s.

You think you’re thinking and acting like an adult by wanting this country to burn to the ground? So you think the same people who voted for Obama, the same people who allowed the media to dictate morality, the same people who allowed the government and some who ASK the government to control every aspect of their lives is going to somehow rebuild the country after it burns to the ground? Yeah, that makes sense. RME.

Some of those people who hate government intervention for what they don’t want, also cheer the loudest when the government intervenes for their pet issues. Both sides of the extreme do this and have helped caused the government regulations we have today.

I’m sorry if you think my wanting to defeat Obama, who stands for nothing that matters to me, is somehow me just biding time until I get what I want and to hell with my children and grandchildren. You obviously know nothing about any of that. I refuse to take the chance of possible rebuilding if this Country and the ideals it was founded on are burned to the ground.

I won’t stand by while my President (and various elected legislators), apologizes to our enemies, guts our military, does everything in his power to tank our economic system, and make the people more dependent on government subsidies to exist. I’m not willing to live through four more years of his and the liberal/communist agenda and then have to pick up the pieces and try to right this country again.

The media is 100% proppng him in a way I’ve never seen before. He gets free, positive advertising 24/7 regardless of his domestic and foreign blunders.

If Romney loses this election it won’t be due to some small faction of so called conservatives who can’t bear to vote for him. He will lose because more than half the voting population has no idea of our history, what the founders fought a war of independence for... Some are just looking for the usual financial handouts they’ve been given since FDR and then LBJ’s Great Society policy. Generations of welfare recipients who make more money collecting a check and never working for any financial compensation. An education system that the conservatives left to the fringe liberals to dictate curriculum and promote their agenda. Religious institutions who were infiltrated by those same liberals with their agendas while so called conservatives did nothing.

This blame game goes both ways. And there’s enough blame to spread around.

I will fight with everything I have to defeat this President who hates America and Americans. I’m not willing to give him another four years to destroy this Country, my future and my childrens’ future.

heh, “silver spoon milquetoast”-—nothing like class warfare huh?

Silver spoon sounds good. Don’t see a problem with it. Milquetoast sounds even better. I like it.


109 posted on 09/17/2012 9:32:48 PM PDT by Twink
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To: JRandomFreeper

Just speaking the truth as I see it. Anyone that claims to be Conservative but doesn’t vote for Romney is complicit in the continued destruction of this Country. They, like the Liberals, think they are smarter than everyone else. They, like the Liberals, think they know what’s best for everyone else. They, like the Liberals, are happy to destroy the Country believing they will get ALL of their enumerated wants sometime in the future.

I don’t see much difference between them, frankly. They are both selfish destroyers of this Country.


110 posted on 09/17/2012 9:37:59 PM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: muawiyah

Who would be considered the largest party coalition members? The so called base if you will, of republicans? I don’t mean the base of over 30 years ago, but the base now in 2012?


113 posted on 09/17/2012 9:46:09 PM PDT by Twink
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To: JSteff
All about the SC?

Obama at most will replace Ginsburg with another liberal and the balance of the court wont change.

Romney on the other hand will almost assuredly get to replace Kennedy and Scalia with liberals and the court will be liberal for two generations.

We can live with 4 years of Obama but the nation cannot live with 40 years of a liberal Romney Supreme Court.

114 posted on 09/17/2012 9:47:17 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: chiller; publana; All
This thread is posted in the Religion Forum.

The main guideline here is to discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

Also, potty language - and references to potty language - are not tolerable on the Religion Forum.

115 posted on 09/17/2012 9:47:53 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Damn. I should have checked prior to posting. I didn’t realize this was the religion forum. Off the thread now. Sorry.


116 posted on 09/17/2012 9:48:21 PM PDT by Twink
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To: publana
I am conservative, I won't vote for Romney.

I don't ever expect to get what I want. But that won't keep me from trying.

I do find it best not to alienate others by calling them names. I will have to work with them after the election.

/johnny

117 posted on 09/17/2012 9:51:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DannyTN
DannyTN, you've got some well brought up questions and answers with real facts.

But I want to know just WHO IS Tom Dougherty of " the right sphere .com" ?
I can't find very much on him, and maybe he's had training as a Senior Strategist at Stealing Share, Inc.
I think he's just a clown, causing trouble, and is really a liberal pretending to be a conservative.

But with that said, someone once said:

"Establishment Republicans" wouldn't care.
If they can't be in power, they don't want US in power.
It's just that simple.
It's WAR!

"Establishment Republicans" Want to Redefine the Term "Conservative"
DO CONSERVATIVES "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" WANT TO WIN IN 2012 OR NOT?

Palin was my first choice, but she dropped out.
Bachmann became my first choice,and she dropped out.
Cain was my second choice, but he dropped our.
Now ... Newt was my second choice, but he challenged Rush.
So now ... Rick Santorum, who use to be my third choice, is now my first choice.

But Romney, Perry, Ron Paul, Huntsman, and Johnson are NOT acceptable,
and if on the ballot for the general election for President or V.P., would cause me to do a write in.


There's no way in hell I can compromise my values.

Jack Kerwick wrote an article on May 24, 2011 titled The Tea Partier versus The Republican and he expressed some important issues that I agree with.



I'm fresh out of "patience", and I'm not in the mood for "compromise".
"COMPROMISE" to me is a dirty word.
Let the RINO's compromise their values, with the conservatives, for a change.

The "Establishment Republicans" can go to hell!i
118 posted on 09/17/2012 9:51:46 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: DannyTN

Very well stated. Before the primaries the MSM, talking heads and polls all said Romney was the only candidate that would beat Obama, and even had him winning by up to 8%. The ABO crowd fell for it and voted the worst candidate. If Obama wins it won’t be because of the conservatives who won’t vote for ROMNEY now but because of the liberals who voter for him then.


119 posted on 09/17/2012 9:51:46 PM PDT by brightright
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To: centurion316

I haven’t seen an freepers that are going to vote for Obama, yet you think that you have seen up to 10% of freepers willing to do that?


120 posted on 09/17/2012 10:02:35 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Religion Moderator

I apologize as I did not realize this thread was posted in the religion forum.

With that said, I would very much like to know why my post was removed. (I have sent you a private message if you do not wish to answer that question here.) I fail to see how stating that I am the mother of five and the grandmother of four falls into the “potty mouth” category unless it is the reference to procreation one must have accomplished at one time to have such children?

I’m done. I won’t make the mistake of posting such facts in the religion forum again. Please pardon my indiscretion of assailing such tender sensibilities.


121 posted on 09/17/2012 10:11:04 PM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: ansel12
They disappear like the mist in the morning sun when you try to ping them down on that.

Best they can come up with is that not voting for their liberal ensures the other liberal gets elected.

No consideration at all for my sensitive feelings that don't want any liberal elected. Feelings that will be crushed, yet again, this election.

/johnny

122 posted on 09/17/2012 10:19:39 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Unam Sanctam
The GOP house that can't ride herd on the liberal currently in the White House certainly isn't going to ride herd on one of their own.

The 'hold the feet to the fire' meme is not selling. To anyone.

/johnny

124 posted on 09/17/2012 10:27:32 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: boycott
I talk to blacks all the time who believe in Jesus and are completely unaware of what Obama stands for concerning abortion and homosexual "marriage". Somehow they have not been informed and think that Obama is a Christian and it is fine to vote for him as a Christian. I think that it is possible that if Christian blacks were educated as to what Obama/the democrats actually push for concerning blatant evil many would not vote him. Once again, the truth about Obama has not at all gotten out to many, many black people.

Republicans are so busy only worrying about the economy that they have overlooked how important moral positions are to many black and Hispanic people who have remained in the dark concerning how immoral the democrat party is. We should blitz their media outlets with the truth in such a way that they will understand that they won't be able to vote for Obama/democrats without voting against God.

125 posted on 09/17/2012 10:29:38 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

No, they don’t disappear, it’s that time wasting childish posts, don’t require responses, especially when they are repeated 100s of times a day no matter what the Romney critic posts.


126 posted on 09/17/2012 10:31:02 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Unam Sanctam
Romney will at least part of the time be influenced in a conservative direction


127 posted on 09/17/2012 10:32:31 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Bellflower
I talk to blacks all the time who believe in Jesus and are completely unaware of what Obama stands for concerning abortion

The people on this thread do not know Mitt Romney's position on abortion.

128 posted on 09/17/2012 10:33:22 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: JRandomFreeper

I misread your post, sorry.


129 posted on 09/17/2012 10:35:24 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
Don't know or care about his 'position'.

I do know what he did as governor, though. That record is pretty clear.

I never go by what a politician says. I go by what they do.

/johnny

130 posted on 09/17/2012 10:35:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Freepers don’t know what his current position is because he changed it about 3 weeks ago, and renounced the GOP pro-life party platform.

So far it is a dead subject here.


131 posted on 09/17/2012 10:39:35 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
All good. I understand what you meant.

/johnny

132 posted on 09/17/2012 10:39:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12
His past actions were a fairly good clue as to his future actions.

As I said, I don't care about what a politician says. I care about what they do.

Enabling the support of baby killers? Meh... I'm not so good with that.

Doesn't get my vote.

/johnny

133 posted on 09/17/2012 10:48:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Bellflower

I believe you are right about getting the word out more. They should be made fully aware that they are compromising their beliefs if they vote for Obama.


134 posted on 09/17/2012 10:51:12 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: Jim from C-Town
I'm not trying to stop people from voting for a pro-abortion, anti-gun, socialized medicine, big government liberal.

I expect that people will vote their principles and values.

Isn't that what we want?

/johnny

136 posted on 09/17/2012 11:06:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jim from C-Town
let's keep the Lord out of it.

Hard to do, in the Religion Forum. With those rules. Ahem...

/johnny

137 posted on 09/17/2012 11:08:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jim from C-Town
Don't be so cocksure that you know the will of God.

I'm fairly sure that voting for someone that did actually support the state financing of killing babies isn't what I should do.

Killing babies is wrong. Supporting those that kill babies is wrong. Voting for those that support killing babies is wrong.

For me, anyway. Your mileage may vary.

Vote your principles and values.

/johnny

138 posted on 09/17/2012 11:13:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I stand by what I said. Romney will at least on occasion act conservatively. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face.


139 posted on 09/17/2012 11:28:45 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
Romney will at least on occasion act conservatively

That's what you have to get me behind your guy? With his record?

Pardon me if I pass. You just damned him with faint praise.

Besides, my vote is meaningless, if earthshattering... Don't ask me... it's the pubbies that do this every time...

/johnny

141 posted on 09/17/2012 11:33:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Enabling the support of baby killers?”

Like Obama? That’s exactly what you’re doing.


142 posted on 09/17/2012 11:34:15 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
No. I vote for no liberal. None. Not your liberal, not their liberal.

/johnny

143 posted on 09/17/2012 11:36:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Your vote may individually be meaningless, but you may be influencing others with your hyper political “purity” in swing states to help Obama by sitting this important election out.


144 posted on 09/17/2012 11:36:54 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: JRandomFreeper

Romney is a mushy moderate, not a liberal, and he is certainly not a state socialist Marxist like Obama. One has to be prudent in this world and sometimes one has to make discriminating difficult choices between two less than ideal outcomes.


145 posted on 09/17/2012 11:39:04 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
Is Romney owed the vote of Conservatives?

If Romney doesn't get the vote, it's because Romney didn't get the vote.

Don't blame me. Blame the GOP and company.

/johnny

146 posted on 09/17/2012 11:39:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Unam Sanctam
I'm not eating out of either pile.

Cope.

Shoulda thought of that before the GOP went stupid mushy again.

/johnny

147 posted on 09/17/2012 11:41:39 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
No, I want you to stop telling everyone how much more pure you are because you have the luxury to not vote responsibly. You are no more pure than anyone else.

It is very simple. No one cares about your vote. I have read how you will never vote for Romney at least a thousand times. We know you discount the possibility of redemption for Mr. Romney. Once a person of less than Conservative or even Liberal leanings, always a Marxist baby killer. WE GET IT! Like most people, I usually ignore it, as I do the ramblings of a demented person. Yet, it gets to be annoying.

I do not CARE who you vote for, NOBODY DOES. Your vote doesn't matter. Not in the Electoral College. Not in the tally for the State of TX. TX is a Romney state by double digits. It isn't even being contested.

What does matter is that you are a kill joy, a downer, a depressant of those who KNOW that Obama is in favor of infanticide. We KNOW that he is trying to implement the elimination of the right to religious exemption and conscience. We KNOW that he is a Statist. We KNOW that he is a disaster economically, Foreign Policy wise and Constitutionally. We know that our futures and the futures of our children and grandchildren are at stake in this election.

Those of us that live in swing states have a moral obligation to do all we can to deny Obama the second term he desires to fundamentally change America into the country he dreams it should be. Even more importantly, I can no longer stand to hear Obama's voice. I hate it like poison.

Do everyone a favor and take the next 50 days off from pontificating about Mr. Romney. Simply refrain from posting your redundant drivel.

148 posted on 09/17/2012 11:44:51 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Bellflower
To believe Barack Hussein Obama II, when he claims to be a Christian, is to trust Satan.
Muslims are well know for lying about their faith.
149 posted on 09/17/2012 11:55:31 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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