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Are Conservatives Abandoning Romney? [Say What?!? 7-10% of Tea Party Evangelicals support Obama??]
The Right Sphere ^ | September 16, 2012 | Tom Dougherty

Posted on 09/17/2012 7:31:00 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

There have been 16 public polls conducted in swing states within the last week and there is an alarming statistic, consistent in all the polls regardless of the pollster party bias, that should have the Romney camp more than a little worried and possibly perplexed.

The numbers are clear that self-described conservatives are not supporting Governor Romney in sufficient numbers to win the election. Additionally there is anecdotal evidence that Evangelicals and Tea Party supporters are not embracing the Romney-Ryan ticket at levels that would be expected.

Looking at the crosstabs of the polls conducted in Colorado, Florida, New Hampshire, Ohio and Virginia within the last ten days, and averaging the support for Obama and Romney by ideology, the chart below speaks thousands of words.

Obama has a 7% greater support level among liberals than Romney has among conservatives, and a 6.8% favorable delta among likely voters who are “bolting from the base”. Without any demographic adjustment, using the raw data from the polls in those five states, Obama has an average lead of 2.5%.

If conservatives were supporting Governor Romney at the same level liberals are supporting President Obama, without any change to the level of support from self-described moderates, Romney could have a 4% plus lead in five states that have a total of 73 electoral votes

With my current electoral map showing Obama with 237 votes and Romney with 222, 73 votes is the ballgame, and by a comfortable margin.

In addition to the ideology breakdowns, the crosstabs show Tea Party supporters favor Romney over Obama, 85.0% to 10.6%, and Evangelical Christians favor Romney over Obama, 63.0% to 28.2%. Now I can immediately write-off a large part of the evangelical numbers because three of the polls conducted by Marist Polling state that 33% of evangelicals support Obama and that skews the numbers badly.

What I can’t write off is there are 7% to 10% of the electorate who describe themselves as either Tea Partiers or Evangelical Christians that are supporting Barack Obama in these five critical states. This is the empirical part of questioning the lack of support from ultra-conservatives within the Republican Party.

Anecdotally speaking there is also evidence that a faction of the party, large enough to insure a Romney-Ryan victory, is not fully behind the GOP ticket. In the last week I have received a minimum of a dozen emails from Tea Party organizations and other ultra-conservative groups demanding the ouster of Barack Obama in November but failing to even mention the names, Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan.

A few of these organizations may have charters as 527’s or another quasi-political group that prevents them from expressing specific support for a given candidate but I know the vast majority are not. So the question that begs to be asked of these groups is if you want Obama gone, why are you not advocating for a Romney-Ryan victory in November?

We are looking at a presidential race today that literally is a statistical tie, and yes I know that phrase is overworked but it is the truth, with President Obama having the upper hand. Clearly there is somewhere between 7% and 15% of conservatives who, while seemingly committed to seeing Obama as a one-term president, are not supporting the only option to victory in November that achieves their stated goal.

So my answer to the question asked is yes, conservatives are abandoning Romney, and that is an answer many Republicans must find unsettling.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; christianvote; conservatives; elections; evangelicals; obama; romney
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To: JRandomFreeper

You work within the party to further conservative principles, as the Tea Party has been somewhat successful in doing. Taking your marbles and going home is not constructive and simply helps the ongoing socialization of America. To say that Obama and Romney are exactly the same is patently false. Romney is not against the free market like O.


51 posted on 09/17/2012 8:20:39 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: boycott
They don’t have a clue about Christianity if they vote for obama.

Irrelevant. The pollster asks them "Are you a Tea Partier?" They say "No." He then asks "Are you an evangelical Christian?". They answer "Yes". They are then put in a bin marked "Tea Partier OR evangelical Christian". When the headlines are written, that category magically becomes "Conservatives", even though it may contain half or more of the black population.

-ccm

52 posted on 09/17/2012 8:20:59 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: mnehring
"I’ve seen several here who said they would rather have Obama with a Republican House and Senate than Romney and who repeat over and over the quote about the ‘devil you know’."

I haven't said that. But I have said that the House and Senate will continue to grow more conservative and develop a spine under Liberal 1(Obama), but they will do the opposite under Liberal 2 (Romney).

Romney wins, we've got 8 more years before we have a chance to put a conservative in office. If Obama wins, we can do it in 4.

53 posted on 09/17/2012 8:21:18 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Lakeshark
It may be unthinkable. But it may happen, due to choices to change rules after the fact, trash-talking conservatives (Rove), and various assorted dirty tricks by the GOP-E.

I don't want Obama, I don't want Romney.

I'm not getting what I want, this election. I'll deal with that as an adult. And be here later to fight this fight again.

/johnny

54 posted on 09/17/2012 8:21:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
It really might happen, this is going to be a tight election.

I honestly can't fathom the mindset that says Bambi and Romny are the same. Hanging around and allowing the most radically leftwing, (Hell, the man's a Marxist) and destructive president ever seems not only silly, but a bit crazy.

55 posted on 09/17/2012 8:25:23 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: publana
Imbeciles and traitors all.

You do realize that you will have to deal with folks that won't vote for Romney after the election is over? Conservatives that won't vote for your liberal...

Namecalling isn't going to win you any converts.

/johnny

56 posted on 09/17/2012 8:26:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JSteff
They are just children kidding NO ONE. Grow up kids. Are you so silly and selfish. Would your really doom our country to the hell that will grow from another term they may GIVE to O.

You are the one who needs to grow up. This country has already died - we are all just living off of the rotting carcass now, and soon there will be nothing left. That should have been obvious the moment Obama was elected. No sane version of the USA would ever have elected such a lowlife, commie goofball like Obama. He was elected because at least half, if not more, of the people in this country are dumbed-down, lazy, spoiled, leeches who feel entitled to the earth, moon and stars just for having been born. With an electorate like that, WE WILL NEVER RECOVER. Even if Romney wins, the overall direction of the country will still be towards the cliff.

Given Obama's dismal failure, you'd think the Republicans would have seen this as an opportunity to promote a solid conservative candidate. But hell no, they pimped out Romney instead, a left-wing, mushy, flip-flopping, abortion-supporting, silver spoon milquetoast and when they serve us that shit sandwich, we're supposed to smile as we take a bite.

I don't think people like you are dumb enough to think Romney will save us. I think you're just hoping that getting him in office will give you an extra decade or more before the inevitable collapse so you can get yours and say to hell with the younger generations - let them pay the price. Well, I say if it's going to burn to the ground anyway, let it burn down now so that we can bear the burden and rebuild, instead of leaving it for the next generations to deal with. But then again, I try to think like an adult.
57 posted on 09/17/2012 8:26:35 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: DannyTN

Nobama and Soros thank you for your vote.


58 posted on 09/17/2012 8:30:06 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: DannyTN

If Obama wins, at this pace, we will have so many people dependent on government we won’t have enough independently minded people to make a Conservative base. We already have 47% of people on government assistance. We are a breath away from that tipping point.

You can’t hope for change, you have to deal with the reality in front of you.

...and let’s not even mention all of the fires going on around the world that not only is Obama failing at but seems to be stoking. The way it is going, the next election if Obama wins, will be nothing more than a show to keep a tinhorn dictator in power.


59 posted on 09/17/2012 8:30:52 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: ccmay

Unfortunately, for these African-American evangelical Christians, they have put party and color above the Lord. How can they in good conscience support someone and a party that shakes its fist in the face of God? Sorry, I’m just wondering about their Christianity and where their faith lies.


61 posted on 09/17/2012 8:32:55 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Lakeshark
If I hadn't heard the same kind of stuff during the Clinton re-election, I might be swayed. He had black helicopters, FEMA camps, and was going to shut down the internet. Everybody he bumped into died mysteriously.

I managed to make it through those years, I figure I'm good for 4 more, regardless of which liberal wins the presidential election.

The GOP has cried 'wolf' too many times.

I'm not voting for a liberal. Regardless of party.

/johnny

62 posted on 09/17/2012 8:33:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: svcw

Only the perpetrators claim its not EITHER nobama / OR Romney.

When the USA goes to hell, we will know who to thank.


63 posted on 09/17/2012 8:33:13 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: JSteff

Silly children.


64 posted on 09/17/2012 8:33:26 PM PDT by JSteff (((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)))))
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To: X-spurt

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65 posted on 09/17/2012 8:34:31 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Anyone who votes for Obama is not a conservative. The only way a genuine conservative could vote for Obama is if they have some twisted view that reelecting Obama would somehow usher in a true conservative President in 2016.

We always see these polls showing many more people self-identify as conservative than liberal. Considering how the last 5 presidential elections have gone, we have to consider the possibility that either many of these self-described conservatives are not really conservative, or a solid majority of self-described moderates are in fact liberals.


66 posted on 09/17/2012 8:34:40 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: JohnBrowdie

This phyops chess game is too fast for these checkers players.


67 posted on 09/17/2012 8:35:22 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I've heard how important each election is every four years too.

Unfortunately, I think they're right about this one. Another four years, and I think we go down for the count.

It's not two libs, it's a radical leftist, Marxist, anti-American versus a sorry RINO squish with too many lib ideas.

I'll take the RINO squish any day as compared to the American hating, muzzie loving Marxist destroyer.

68 posted on 09/17/2012 8:36:45 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: fr_freak

Right and wrong.


69 posted on 09/17/2012 8:38:45 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: ScottinVA
So they're abandoning Romney and somehow find Obama more appealing.

No one is abandoning Romney. The GOPe tried to force Romney down their throats, and they aren't having it.

Nor, as far as I have seen, have ANY Freepers said that they would vote for Obama. They have simply said that they cannot in good conscience vote for either one of them, since they are both gay marriage supporters, baby killers, and big government socialists. And, I would add, entitled narcissists of the first order.

Is this the fault of Evangelicals with principles? Or is it the fault of the corrupt GOP party handlers, who keep on trying to force lousy candidates on the conservative base?

Nobody in his right mind WANTS to be put in the position of not being able to vote for either candidate. But that's apparently what the corrupt politicians keep trying to do to us. It's a hell of a mess.

70 posted on 09/17/2012 8:39:03 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: svcw
I think it's a NOR circuit, best I could reconstruct from the crash wreckage. It certainly started with a NOT statement.

/johnny

71 posted on 09/17/2012 8:39:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: publana

Tools more like it. Many said it would be “OK” if Obama won the last election because, like Carter, he would guarantee the next Reagan. We see how that worked out. Now they say that it will guarantee a Conservative in four years.

Of course, that is exactly what the left wants. They want Conservatives to keep hoping for a savior ‘from the government who is here to help’; right around the next election (never this one.)

Reagan would be rolling over. He would be the first to say the answer is not in the government but in us.

The best we should expect from a Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces is someone loyal to the troops who won’t stab them in the back. For pretty much everything else, the best we can expect is someone to do the least damage. The rest is up to us. We have been failing waiting for someone else to save us (from the government who is here to help).

But we’ll always have those telling us to ‘just sit this out, let the left win this one because it will help us with the next one’.


73 posted on 09/17/2012 8:43:02 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Lakeshark
Go for it. Vote your principles and values. I won't gainsay you or call you wrong for doing that. I may have to speak to you next year, and it would be awkward if I'd been rude this year. ;)

/johnny

74 posted on 09/17/2012 8:43:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: svcw

Sort of what I was think about post 13. Come on, surely you can remember what you posted a minute ago on 13.


75 posted on 09/17/2012 8:44:56 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt

Do you?


76 posted on 09/17/2012 8:46:33 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: centurion316
Why should they vote Obama? There are plenty of other candidates to vote for, and, best of all, I don't think any of those states require you to vote for all the offices ~ so you can just skip over Obama.

This should never be a problem in a campaign, and it is best dealt with early in the candidate selection process by making sure ALL possible candidates are probably acceptable to the largest party coalition members.

It's that simple!

We did this with Goldwater, and although the Rockefeller Republicans are blamed for dropping the ball in the Eastern states, his bigger problem was with the very segments of the party that wanted him to run ~ mostly in the Midwest.

Best bet at this state is to fire ALL his campaign staff and advisors and bring in a boatload of Conservatives.

77 posted on 09/17/2012 8:48:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JRandomFreeper
It's that one thing:

This man is bad news, actually, he's horrible news. I don't think I can take another four years of waking up every day to find out what disaster he and his Marxist, anti-American cohorts have crammed down our throats. I'm not sure we will survive if he wins. He's shown what he will do, he has a record of unparalleled destruction, I can't imagine him being unfettered by reelection for another four years.

Survival is a good thing.

78 posted on 09/17/2012 8:50:33 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: fr_freak; JSteff; All
This thread is posted in the Religion Forum.

The main guideline here is to "discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal."

Making the thread "about" individual Freepers is a form of "making it personal."

79 posted on 09/17/2012 8:51:56 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: centurion316

“I’m not surprised at this. At least 10% of the members of this forum have said that they will not support Romney no matter what. They will either vote Obama or not vote at all, a distinction without much of a difference.”

Yep, and when he is re-elected they will whine it up.


80 posted on 09/17/2012 8:53:08 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Unam Sanctam
"How about preventing the Marxist from consolidating state socialism in this country?"


81 posted on 09/17/2012 8:53:31 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: reformedliberal

You have just witnessed stupid and you cant fix that.I feel sorry for the kids though.


82 posted on 09/17/2012 8:54:59 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: JSteff
Alas, there are numerous candidates to vote for ~ a vote for a candidate is a vote or that candidate and not a vote for a different candidate.

Thinking any other way about it is magical thinking. Besides, it's totally foolish to insult people who might be undecided ~ they might vote for your boy if you give them a chance. if you attack them they may not. No real politician turns down a chance to get a vote!

83 posted on 09/17/2012 8:55:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: boycott

How many go to a church such as the “reverend wright” s’ church? I think that may answer the question.


84 posted on 09/17/2012 8:58:32 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Religion Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
I guess it would be out of bounds to ask if you really were somewhat tipsy when you officiated at Sidebar's memorial service after the tragic yachting accident that convienently didn't leave a corpse?

Or should I shut up now. ;)

/johnny

85 posted on 09/17/2012 9:00:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Alex Murphy

bttt


86 posted on 09/17/2012 9:01:25 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: Beowulf9
Actually, I expect your preferred liberal to win. I will lose no opportunity to complain about the GOP liberal guy.

/johnny

88 posted on 09/17/2012 9:02:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

RIGHT ON JOHNNY,RIGHT ON.


90 posted on 09/17/2012 9:05:00 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: mnehring
"If Obama wins, at this pace, we will have so many people dependent on government we won’t have enough independently minded people to make a Conservative base."

If I understand Romney/Ryan's plan. We are going to get there faster. They are going to pull support out from under people before they address the structural issues in the economy. That's going to come back in 2 years and give the rat's the congress.

I won't vote for either one. This failure will be yours or theirs. Not Mine.

Romney is wrong to equate the 47% who don't pay taxes with being dependent on government. The daily beast ran an article saying 49% are actually dependent but they included social security and Medicare recipients, even though they had paid in taxes for those insurance benefits for years.

Neither candidate understands or has a plan to address the real issues in the economy. And thus they are both going to fail. But Ryan's plan will cause a liberal backlash. Obama will generate a conservative backlash.

91 posted on 09/17/2012 9:07:47 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: publana

Watch who you call traitor pal.


92 posted on 09/17/2012 9:07:51 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DannyTN

“I don’t think conservatives are abandoning Romney, they were never on board to begin with.

And the GOP-E were idiots to ever think they would be.”

I totally agree with you DannyTN.


93 posted on 09/17/2012 9:07:53 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: fr_freak

Nicely put FR.


94 posted on 09/17/2012 9:10:52 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: fr_freak

Nicely put FR.


95 posted on 09/17/2012 9:11:11 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: JSteff

If by not voting for ORomney, they are voting for OZero, then by not voting for OZero, they also vote for ORomney. It sounds like a wash to me.


96 posted on 09/17/2012 9:11:52 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: DannyTN

O is eminently impeachable if not indictable as a fraud and enemy of the state. R will merely continue the same policies we are all against and be untouchable. There are no good choices.


97 posted on 09/17/2012 9:12:39 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Who, me?!


99 posted on 09/17/2012 9:13:17 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Unam Sanctam

We ARE working within the Party; we are voting for Conservatives to try to change the direction of the Party.


100 posted on 09/17/2012 9:13:57 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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