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The Inside Story of a Controversial New Text About Jesus
Smithsonian Magazine ^ | September 20, 2012 | OldRanchHand

Posted on 09/20/2012 5:34:56 AM PDT by OldRanchHand

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To: Ransomed

“Her scholarship has been a kind of sustained critique of what she calls the “master story” of Christianity: a narrative that casts the canonical texts of the New Testament as divine revelation that passed through Jesus in “an unbroken chain” to the apostles and their successors—church fathers, ministers, priests and bishops who carried these truths into the present day.”

So she already starts with a decided bias in her thinking and an agenda to substantiate her beliefs.


21 posted on 09/20/2012 6:42:24 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: OldRanchHand
There was a segment by Trace Gallagher on FNC last night on this. Because the top of the fragment is so even, Prof. Bagnall thinks it was cut--that the fragment they have is just part of what was found so that maybe some dealer has more of it. Of course that would not have any bearing on the validity of the text, which has as much value for the truth of what Jesus said and did as The DaVinci Code does.
22 posted on 09/20/2012 7:12:50 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ecomcon

The ad on the back for onion gum and x-ray specs gives it away...


23 posted on 09/20/2012 7:17:40 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: OldRanchHand

There is NO new revelation....and this is simply more of the recent grasping at the not so recent perversions of Gnosticism. Interestingly...it coincides with the notion of the ELITE who have full knowledge.

In addition, it is NOT very scholarly at all.


24 posted on 09/20/2012 7:24:15 AM PDT by SumProVita
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To: OldRanchHand

So some early Christians drew spiritua strength from the belief that Jesus had a wife??

And some people today draw spiritual strength from worshiping Thor, Diana, or Satan.

Doesn’t make it so, just spiritually misguided.


25 posted on 09/20/2012 7:32:48 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: OldRanchHand; All

Christ is the son of God and thus God’s point of reality in which man can know Him. Christ said that in the Resurrection, men and women are like the angels, not given to one another in marriage. Christ could never have taken a wife for he was the foreshadowing of the Resurrection to come!


26 posted on 09/20/2012 7:36:00 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (We have grieved the Holy Spirit, with our Dark hearts and dark minds turned against God!)
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To: Tax-chick

See also my posting at #26, in reply to “Ranchy”.


27 posted on 09/20/2012 7:42:07 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (We have grieved the Holy Spirit, with our Dark hearts and dark minds turned against God!)
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this sure is a long article to tell us NOTHING but hyperbole and subjection.


28 posted on 09/20/2012 7:51:15 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (How do you say Arkanicide in Kenyan?)
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To: Rightly Biased

Take a business-card size piece of cardboard (so it will last longer), write on it “Barak Obama is a space alien” and bury it for a thousand years. When dug up in 3000 AD by a future researcher, will the discovery prove that Barak Obama was really a space alien?


29 posted on 09/20/2012 8:19:00 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

Maybe someone was writing fiction at the time or its a complete forgery made to sell a book or use as an idea in a movie that is coming out. You wont believe how many kids thought or initially entertained the idea that Abraham Lincoln was a vampire slayer when that movie came out a few months ago...remember standing in line when it first came out and all the young kids asking their parents if Abraham Lincoln had really slain vampires or not...sad and comical at the same time


30 posted on 09/20/2012 8:56:17 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: mdmathis6; OldRanchHand

I agree with you. Jesus’s being married or not married is not just an interesting but not important historical question of fact. It raises major theological issues relating to His divinity, His salvific mission, and His foundation and presence in His church.

I was just pointing out that this is a current “news” topic getting quite a lot of distribution/commentary, and so it didn’t seem to me that posting this item (in the absence of other information) indicated OldRanchHand’s personal opinion.

If he or she wants to comment on the article, then we would learn whether he agrees with the content, or is just sharing the content because it’s interesting. And I think it is interesting to see the crazy fantasies of those colorful Ivy Leaguers!


31 posted on 09/20/2012 9:30:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("In the kingdom of the blind, sight is a crime and mentioning what you see is a gaffe.")
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To: jsanders2001

Oh, rats. I liked “Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter” much better than the unfictionalized version!


32 posted on 09/20/2012 9:33:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("In the kingdom of the blind, sight is a crime and mentioning what you see is a gaffe.")
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To: mcjordansc

Not a big deal? I don’t know how you can say that. The central message of the Bible is the gospel of Jesus Christ, Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection, the eternal purpose of God from the foundation of the world was that Christ would come into the world to die for our sins. That is what the Bible says, it says nothing at all about him seeking out a woman to marry her.

The salvation of the human race was at stake. Man is a sinner needing a savior to save us from our sins. His mission was the cross, you and I were born sinners into this world, our sins will send us the hell, Christ’s atoning death saves us from that destiny - for those that believe that was his mission, that is.


33 posted on 09/20/2012 9:53:48 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: OldRanchHand

Ancient documents written by gnostics, heretics, and opponents of the first century church get dug up by today’s media in an attempt to demoralize Christians. Gnostics, heretics, and opponents of the first century church wanted to redefine Christianity in their time. They were booted out and their documents and alternative beliefs were not considered relevant by the early Christians.

Two thousand years later, these alternative documents are presented as more accurate, revealing, and credible than any other historical Christian document. Even though historical Christian documents have been scrubbed inside out by archaelogists and historians in an attempt to prove or disprove the Bible. This is being done because the alternative documents promotes the agenda of the anti-Christian faction, that permeates media and entertainment, to redefine Christianity in modern times. So in some sense, the modern day gnostics, heretics, and opponents of Christianity are picking up the baton from their ancient counterparts.


34 posted on 09/20/2012 11:23:31 AM PDT by Gen-X-Dad
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To: OldRanchHand

Is your real name Ariel Sabar?


35 posted on 09/20/2012 11:27:31 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Gen-X-Dad

A great post, G-Dad! The best summarization I’ve seen of what this is really all about.


36 posted on 09/20/2012 12:38:10 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: OldRanchHand

Turn about is fair play.

There’s a whole history of Jew-hate based on the assumption that every reference a Jewish text makes that vaguely resembles ‘Yeshu’, ‘Yashua’ or something similar must refer to Jesus Christ, instead of someone else who just happened to have a similar name.


37 posted on 09/20/2012 4:25:26 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: sasportas

you are right on the freakin button.......


38 posted on 09/21/2012 10:48:01 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: OldRanchHand

Gosh, that’s an awful lot of verbiage for a snippet of fan-fiction written on a post-it note.


39 posted on 09/21/2012 11:16:57 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: raygunfan

It was G-Dad in post 34 that you should congratulate. Glad to see you are not one of the Dan Brown Da Vinci Code Gnostic hippy types.


40 posted on 09/21/2012 1:46:55 PM PDT by sasportas
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