The more I think about the Obama HHS mandate, the more I think he's doing the Church a favor. We desperately need some sort of persecution to shake the bishops and blow away the chaff.
And the muslim anitCHRIST Baraq Hussein mohammed 0bama does????????
B.S. this author should stand in a bottle of his own urine.
Likewise, the Pharasees supported Rome so their apple cart wouldn’t be upset.
For most “Catholics,” the church is just another social club.
I've been complaining in the wilderness for years now and few heard. Now, evil will manifest itself out in the open. If Catholics vote in the majority for Obama and the Jews also, it just shows the blindness that has overcome us. I don't believe we can murder 50 million babies and endorse sodomy and go unpunished. I was told recently that Catholics wouldn't go for Obama this time, but it looks like I was fooled again. You can't have the biggest Catholics in the world be Biden, Pelosi, and the Kennedy's, and nothing happen to them and expect a different result.
I don't think persecution would work because the hierarchy is more Democrat than Catholic. And they are true Democrat believers!
Only an eight point spread between regular Mass attending Catholics and those who maybe show up on Easter Sunday? Either way the numbers aren’t encouraging.
I’ll say it again. If this guy gets re-elected a huge Emily Litella moment is coming for the Church. They’ll just shut up, craw back in the bunker and start quietly paying for the Pill. As they’ve done in Europe for half a century now.
But there is one huge issue that separates Obama and Romney, and it is the same issue which has been most forcefully identified by the countrys bishopsthe HHS Mandate. Obama is the architect of a law which forces Catholic organizations and individuals to financially support contraception, sterilization and abortion despite the Churchs teaching that it is deeply sinful to do so. In a similar way, Obama is the architect of policies which exclude Catholic organizations from traditional roles in social services because they will not do things like provide abortion referrals, recommend contraception, or facilitate adoptions for same-sex couples. But Romney has pledged to eliminate the HHS mandate immediately upon election, and has shown no propensity to continue Obamas ideological exclusion of Catholic participation in public life.
Now, the American bishops have clearly identified the HHS mandate as a gross abrogation of religious liberty, and they have made it clear this violation is a key Catholic concern in the current campaign, the kind of concern that would prompt anybody with profound Catholic sympathies to vote against the Democrats. And yet only 51 percent of regular Catholic churchgoers state that they are willing to do so. This failure of churchgoing Catholics to defend their own religious freedom and the rights of the Church is the most significant revelation in the Pew poll.
There are, of course, several critical factors which work against the bishops here. First, with respect to doctrinal orthodoxy and Catholic identity, episcopal leadership has been notoriously weak and even directly counter-productive over the past fifty years. The American bishops have presided over a national, diocesan and parish infrastructure riddled with Modernism. They have been largely idle in the face of an abject secularization of Catholic colleges and universities. They have not worked to counter the loss of ecclesial fidelity in the nations religious communities. And they have done almost nothing to combat the universal acceptance of contraception which lies at the heart of the culture of deathand which makes the HHS Mandate seem innocuous.
Second, as Phil Lawler has pointed out several times (see, for example, The noise-to-signal ratio at the USCCB), while the bishops have spoken out strongly on religious liberty, they have spoken out again and again on so many other purely prudential topics that their concerns about religious liberty have been far too easily ignored. Third, even the Fortnight for Freedom campaign was not implemented evenly across the country. There is still sufficient squishiness within the ranks for recalcitrant bishops and pastors to have ignored it, or for its message to go by without reinforcement.
For all these reasons, the American bishops have a long way to go before they will be able, over time, to effectively form the consciences of American Catholics. We are at the beginning of a long, slow and painful episcopal renewal in this country, not near the end. The episcopal renewal will take even longer to bring renewal across the board, in all the structures and sub-institutions which shape American Catholic life, and in the laity themselves. Therefore, we can only wonder how much further religious liberty will suffer in American politics while the renewal developsand whether increasing persecution will strengthen or weaken the Church overall. The latest Pew survey is a reminder of this one essential fact: We are not at the end of a process here. We are at the beginning.
I’m not buying this, I think Obama loses the Catholic vote by a narrow margin.
While Catholics have only voted against a democrat incumbent once in history (1980), this time I think it will happen again.
I don’t buy this poll, or the one that only gives Obama 27% support among Catholics.
What I don’t get is why these polls are never broken down by state. How is a national number in any way useful when we vote by state and the electoral college? Am I missing something? If it’s a national number, it is made up of all the states, no? At least give swing states. The biggest split I could find in the 2008 election exit polling with the Catholic vote was 70% for pres O in NM and 70% against pres O in La. That’s only the biggest I could find, many states I just can’t find anywhere.
If the polls hold true, isn't 51% less than McCain got in 2008?
Unfortunately enough, Catholics are largely indistinguishable from non-Catholics and, despite a few pundits, no, there really is no Catholic vote. This obvious conclusionclear enough from the fact that the vote for the winning candidates in the last national election was approximately the same for Catholics and non-Catholicshas serious current implications....
-- from the thread The Mythical Catholic Vote: The Harmful Consequences of Political Assimilation
I attend a Catholic Bible Study group of about 25.Obama will be lucky to get 5 votes.
Now that a Pew Survey shows Catholics favoring Obama by a 15-point margin,
The churches for years have done every thing they possibly could to recruit more members, and the extremes they will go to include infant baptism, or young people who would not know Jesus from the man in the moon is talked into baptism by friends or family who are also not informed.
They make being a Christian as like Alice in wonder land, a big fairy tale to these young people, they make them think their reward will be in this life, its all about candy and ice cream.
What they do not tell them is that living for Christ may also include suffering and most likely even dieing for him.
If these people are asked about their faith they most likely will say either catholic or protestant depending on who baptized them, even if they have not been in the Church since they were baptized.