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To: koinonia
IMHO:

I grew up in an all Catholic, Irish and Italian community in The Bronx, NYC. I saw many families with 8-10-14 kids. for the most part the kids were not regulated as well as families with 2-3 kids... limited resources prevented them from getting higher education and as they got older, they were doing stuff out in the streets that their parents had no idea about...because the parents were too busy taking care of the plethora of babies still in the house.

in the day of the family farm, where you ‘bred’ your own farm help and expected a good chunk of progeny to die in childhood, making lots of babies was not only common, but made good sense.

we do not live like that anymore...life expectancy is way up from the 1800s...power equipment does most of the hard work on farms and most people live in the burbs or cities....

it just does not make sense to breed like that anymore.

IMHO....

19 posted on 10/05/2012 6:06:50 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

It’s not “breeding”. It’s being fruitful and multiplying.

Your language shows you think we are little more than animals. Our language shows we believe we were created in the image and likeness of God and have a godly purpose.


20 posted on 10/05/2012 6:25:10 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Vaquero
it just does not make sense to breed like that anymore.

I think "breed" is not the best term to use for families that were simply open to life, open to God's blessings in their marriage - whether in the Bronx or on the farm.

It should be pointed out that God Himself has put a limit on the number of babies a couple can have (no human couple has offspring the way rabbits do, for example, who can have 6-10 every other month!), and their are natural ways (without impeding human nature) of spacing children (like breastfeeding, or abstaining during fertile periods).

While big families had (and have) their problems, my simple question (and it's pragmatic) is this: Is our society better off because there are less children being born? I see divorce, adultery, violence, prostitution, substance abuse, addiction to pornography, etc. The problems today, after 50 years of contraception and abortion, are much worse than they were then. The sexual revolution is bearing its fruit - IMHO.

27 posted on 10/05/2012 7:42:58 AM PDT by koinonia (Virgil Goode for President - I'm not getting paid to promote him :-))
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To: Vaquero; koinonia
"it just does not make sense to breed like that anymore."

You've fallen for the false choices the media sells, up to and including their bastardization of the language in order to cloud the issues.
It's animals that "breed" and the Satanic eugenics machine believes all but those who they select to be a part of the nobility are nothing but animals. Therefore, they plan on dictating to their livestock ("the masses" not a part of their nobility) which of their livestock are permitted to breed and when. Humans reproduce, they don't "breed", which is why the media and propagandists avoid using that term at all costs, they want their livestock to realize their place in the scheme of things.

Of course, the least expensive approach to controlling the breeding of your livestock is to chemically sterilize all but the few members of the herd you have selected for breeding stock. Given the number of people who have now sterilized themselves, it looks like it won't be any problem selling the herd the idea of mass sterilization. Once the cost of contraception is borne by the taxpayers via the Federal government, if follows that the government should cut costs by sterilizing people as early as possible. The same people who object to circumcision will soon be preaching that parents have a duty to sterilize their children while they're young. The obstinate, of course, can be sterilized whether they want to be or not since Buck v Bell grants our government the power to sterilize whoever it chooses for whatever reason it chooses. When you grant propagandists power to redefine the language you cede them the argument no matter what the argument is.

Unless you agree with that agenda, why is it better to slaughter those children who are conceived than to abstain a few days month in order to avoid conceiving them in the first place? NFP is not only more effective than the vast majority of contraceptives, it has no side effects. Well before "the pill" there were plenty of good Irish, Italian, Polish, German, and other Catholics I grew up around who limited the size of their family before the pill came along by simply knowing which time of the month to practice some self-discipline.

33 posted on 10/05/2012 11:01:22 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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