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Ontario Official: Catholic Schools Can’t Teach “Misogynistic” Pro-life
The New American ^ | Friday, 12 October 2012 09:35 | Michael Tennant

Posted on 10/12/2012 5:59:09 PM PDT by annalex

The Education Minister of Ontario, Canada — a professing Catholic who sends her children to Catholic schools — declared October 10 that the province’s publicly funded Catholic schools may not teach students that abortion is wrong because such teaching amounts to “misogyny,” which is prohibited in schools under a controversial anti-bullying law.

“Taking away a woman’s right to choose could arguably be considered one of the most misogynistic actions that one could take,” Laurel Broten said during a press conference.

“Bill 13,” she asserted, “is about tackling misogyny.”

Passed in June, Bill 13 requires schools to provide “a positive school climate that is inclusive and accepting, regardless of race, ancestry, place of origin, color, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, age, marital status, family status or disability.” The law specifically mandates that schools — Catholic schools included — establish “gay-straight alliance” organizations. Now, it seems, it will also be used to infringe even further on religious freedom by prohibiting Catholic schools from teaching that abortion is sinful.

Broten, in her capacity as minister responsible for women’s issues, had called the press conference “to express [her] disappointment” with a press conference held earlier in the day by three provincial legislators in which they argued that Ontario taxpayers should not be forced to pay for abortions. Those men had the audacity, Broten averred, “to reopen the debate in Ontario about a woman’s right to choose” — “a debate … that has been ended for quite some time.” Their press conference, she added, “was frankly disheartening.” (Note, by the way, that the legislators were not even talking about banning abortion itself, just public funding of it.)

Asked by a member of the press if it was “appropriate” for Catholic schools to “let kids out of school to go to anti-abortion rallies,” Broten said that “in Ontario we support Catholic education, support the teaching of love and tolerance in our Catholic schools and at the same time support a woman’s right to choose.”

In other words, the government of Ontario — led by pro-choice Premier Dalton McGuinty, who is also a Catholic — supports Catholic education only up to the point where it conflicts with left-wing orthodoxy.

“I am one that supports Catholic education and has been adamantly in support of women’s right to choose for many years and I do not see a conflict in those,” Broten continued.

It may come as a shock to Broten (and McGuinty), but the Catechism of the Catholic Church is quite clear on the subject: “Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception.” Nor does the church consider this merely a private matter: “The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation.” (Emphasis in original.) It simply is not possible to be a Catholic in good standing and support abortion and its funding by the state.

It is clear, however, that Broten is a “progressive” first and a Catholic second. “The Catholic teachings are one aspect that we teach in our schools,” she said, “but we do not allow and we’re very clear with the passage of Bill 13 that Catholic teachings cannot be taught in our schools that violates human rights and which brings a lack of acceptance to participation in schools.”

She noted approvingly that Bill 13 forced Catholic schools to accept gay-straight alliances “so that students feel safe,” and therefore those schools can also be silenced with regard to abortion so that “young girls can make the choices that they make.”

“This is not about being pro-abortion,” she maintained. “It is about being pro-choice.” That “choice,” of course, is the one to have an abortion.

One reporter pointed out that Broten seemed to have gone off on a tangent, observing that “Bill 13 had nothing to do with, or didn’t say anything about pro-life or pro-choice, abortion, anything about that. I don’t quite understand why you’re bringing it up.”

Broten replied:

Bill 13 has in it a clear indication of ensuring that our schools are safe, accepting places for all our students. That includes LGBTQ students. That includes young girls in our school. Bill 13 is about tackling misogyny. Taking away a woman’s right to choose could arguably be one of the most misogynistic actions that one could take.

(“LGBTQ” was probably shorthand for Bill 13’s original formulation of “LGBTTIQ,” which stands for “lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, two-spirited, intersex, queer and questioning.”)

Thus, merely stating in a Catholic school the church’s opposition to abortion is, in Broten’s opinion, misogynistic and must be banned.

But as William Saunders, senior vice president of legal affairs for Americans United for Life told LifeSiteNews.com, “It can’t be misogynistic to oppose something that is so harmful to women, as many recent studies show.”

“That’s the dirty secret about abortion — how harmful it is to women; and so to suggest it’s misogynist is to completely miss the point,” he added.

Also, as Faye Sonier, legal counsel for the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada, told the website: “A 2012 Ipsos Reid poll found that 60% of Canadians support the introduction of legislation that would limit abortion access…. Are a majority of Canadians therefore misogynistic?”

“If Bill 13 were interpreted in the way the Minister suggests, in my opinion, it would be unconstitutional as offending freedom of religion, freedom of conscience and free speech, as well as contrary to parents’ obligations and rights with respect to their children, and so on,” Dr. Margaret Somerville, the founding director of McGill University’s Center for Medicine, Ethics and Law told LifeSiteNews.com.

Now, one could argue that government control over an organization’s activities, even at the expense of religious freedom, is the price that organization pays for accepting state funding; and certainly Ontario’s Catholic schools are more vulnerable to such assaults as a result of their being publicly funded. However, a representative of the Ontario Human Rights Commission, testifying in favor of Bill 13 before a legislative committee in May, said, “All schools, including public, Catholic and private, have a legal duty to provide students with an educational environment free from harassment and other forms of discrimination because of their race, ancestry, place of origin, color, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sexual orientation, age, marital status, family status or disability and sex including gender identity.” (Emphasis added.) This indicates that at least some officials intend to enforce Bill 13 on private schools as well, thereby infringing on their rights, too.

What Broten’s remarks — and, indeed, the entirety of Bill 13 — boil down to is this: The radical left doesn’t merely want to win debates over public policy; it wants to prohibit any debate in the first place. This is why Broten and other pro-abortion types were up in arms that other legislators were even bringing up the subject of abortion. (“We find that very sad,” legislator Cheri DiNovo, a minister in the United Church of Canada, told the Canadian Press. “This is 2012. We should be beyond that discussion.”)

Unless Ontarians get up the gumption to take on these tyrants, they may soon find that the only thing left to debate is which of their liberties will be trampled next.


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KEYWORDS: abortion; canada; ontario; prolife
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1 posted on 10/12/2012 5:59:17 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

Guess they don’t have Catholic schools then..


2 posted on 10/12/2012 6:00:50 PM PDT by Michigander222
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To: narses; NYer

News from the tundra.


3 posted on 10/12/2012 6:00:58 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Then the Catholic schools should stop accepting federal funding, so they can teach truth.
Canada.......nice maple syrup, thinking that’s beginning to be the limit.


4 posted on 10/12/2012 6:02:52 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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5 posted on 10/12/2012 6:06:12 PM PDT by narses
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To: annalex

In Canada you’re free to think anything the thought police will let you think.


6 posted on 10/12/2012 6:09:31 PM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: svcw

Then Catholics in Canada should be exempt from taxes which they pay with the expectation that their government exists for their benefit.


7 posted on 10/12/2012 6:11:35 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Will Islamic schools be held to the same?


8 posted on 10/12/2012 6:11:57 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: samtheman

Some people were meant to be forever a colony.


9 posted on 10/12/2012 6:13:07 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Irenic

Probably not since the Muslim schools tend to teach Islamic lifestyle, not civics.


10 posted on 10/12/2012 6:15:30 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...

Canada Ping!


11 posted on 10/12/2012 6:15:52 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: narses

Thank you for the ping.


12 posted on 10/12/2012 6:16:19 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

A Women’s right to choose...

What? It’s funny how they never finish the sentence.

1/2 the aborted babies are Women, how is that not misogyny?

Leftist logic at its finest.


13 posted on 10/12/2012 6:18:13 PM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: desertfreedom765

What is misogyny, is that 100% of those guilty of committing abortions are women. The goal of Canadian government is apparently to create a gender of murderers.


14 posted on 10/12/2012 6:22:36 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Not sure what exactly you mean.
I do not beleive churches should be tax exempt.
Tax exemptions lead to the government telling you what you can and can not say.
If any church accepts money from the government as a supplement, the government can tell them what they can and can not say.
Catholic schools are private schools, they should teach according to their beliefs without the government interfering, that’s why there is a fee to attend the school.
It is Canada and the government there has been dictating thought for a very long time.


15 posted on 10/12/2012 6:31:08 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: annalex

This is the lefts latest line of attack. Everyone is being labeled a misogynist - it is happening in Australia, Canada and the USA - we need to see how well organised these b#stards are and understand these are not random but co-ordinated world wide attacks on our freedoms!

Mel


16 posted on 10/12/2012 6:34:42 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: annalex

Publicly funded Catholic schools?????


17 posted on 10/12/2012 6:44:44 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: annalex
Misogyny bad, misanthropy good.
18 posted on 10/12/2012 6:47:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: svcw

The point is, a Canadian Catholic pays taxes and he supports the Church through the collection at Mass. The taxes them go to the Catholic school because Canada subsidizes Catholic education. If the government stops the subsidy of the school then the Canadian Catholic picks up the slack by increasing his private contribution to the Church. His taxes should be refunded by the same amount because he already paid for his kids’ education.

But I further question the premise that since the government pays the subsidy it gets to decide what the school should teach. This premise is pure silliness: the reason people hire professionals is because they are not professionals themselves. When I ask the services of a doctor I do not get to tell him how to cure my illness, when I ask the services of a plumber I do not tell him how to do plumbing. If that minister of theirs thinks in her head that she knows what the children should learn in school, she should get government schools funded and teach whatever nonsense she thinks is proper in these schools. If the Canadian voter and taxpayer prefers Catholic education to Brotenskulz, then Ms Broten should pipe down and pay for her educational projects with her own money.


19 posted on 10/12/2012 6:48:30 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Yes, apparently. The theory must be that since the Catholic schools can actually teach, then there is a public good in it, and so taxes should fund it. I am not fond of the idea, but then I am not Canadian maybe for that reason.


20 posted on 10/12/2012 6:51:16 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The US cares about its Constitution. Freepers care about the US Constitution.

My understanding is that the agreement that was the Canadian constitution (1867 British North Ameerican Act) included a clause that guaranteed public funding for one Catholic schools in one Canadian province - Ontario. So be it. Politicians must respect it.


21 posted on 10/12/2012 6:56:49 PM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp

I don’t think the school funding is the issue, really. The issue is the government driving its pro-abort agenda without regard for its own citizenry, who would not send their children to a Catholic school if they objected them taught Catholic values.


22 posted on 10/12/2012 7:01:21 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: svcw

The “settlement” in Canada, which was supposed to allow Canadian Catholic taxpayers to support their own school system, instead of the (back in the good old days) Anglican Protestant government system, has been abrogated. If the Canadian bishops have any spine, it’s time for them to start establishing independent Catholic schools, while making it clear that the government is treacherously welching on a promise that it made.


23 posted on 10/12/2012 7:01:32 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: annalex
“Taking away a woman’s right to choose could arguably be considered one of the most misogynistic actions that one could take,”

You can feel free to make choices all day long. You may not, however, choose to violate another's natural rights, with the consent of the government. Well, you may, but you shouldn't be able to.
24 posted on 10/12/2012 7:06:50 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: annalex

When you take government money, you dance to the government’s tune.


25 posted on 10/12/2012 7:07:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Campion
it’s time for them to start establishing independent Catholic schools

No, because they will end up paying for both their kids' education and someone else's, just like American parents are forced to do if they choose a private school.

They should simply demand respect for their constitutional rights, and if Canada wishes to instead privatize its school system wholesale, then it is for the much ballyhooed democratic system to decide, not for the bishops alone.

26 posted on 10/12/2012 7:08:58 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Where the heck are the Bishops? This is serious stuff. Catholic schools cannot teach Catholic teaching on abortion and homosexual activity? Being falsely charged as “misogynistic” or “homophobic”? This is an outrage.


27 posted on 10/12/2012 7:08:58 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
This is an outrage

Like I said, some countries were meant to remain colonies.

28 posted on 10/12/2012 7:10:01 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

I think that once a Catholic school denies that abortion is evil then that school is no longer Catholic. In a sense it invalidates the BNA of 1867 (Canadian constitution). This is the issue in my mind.


29 posted on 10/12/2012 7:14:12 PM PDT by impimp
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To: annalex

That’s the problem with being publicly funded. Every dipsh*t gov’t apparatchiks feels they own you.


30 posted on 10/12/2012 7:14:45 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: annalex

Alberta tried the same with homeschools, and Alberta’s government is dominated by so-called “conservatives”


31 posted on 10/12/2012 7:15:14 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: annalex

Standing up for their constitutional rights is a fine thing, but in the meantime it’s not acceptable for a school operating under the aegis of the church to be teaching gross error as truth.


32 posted on 10/12/2012 7:16:13 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: annalex

This woman is clearly an enemy of the Church. Where. is. the. EXCOMMUNICATION?


33 posted on 10/12/2012 7:30:53 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (Ephesians 6:12 becomes more real to me with each news cycle.)
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To: annalex

Thank you for the post!


34 posted on 10/12/2012 7:41:29 PM PDT by narses
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To: Irenic

Right, Islamic schools not allowed to teach Jihad? No they are “underdogs” so untouchable.


35 posted on 10/12/2012 7:58:07 PM PDT by reardensteel
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To: annalex
From the Canadian Constitution Act, 1867:
93. In and for each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Education, subject and according to the following Provisions:

(1) Nothing in any such Law shall prejudicially affect any Right or Privilege with respect to Denominational Schools which any Class of Persons have by Law in the Province at the Union

Thus the Catholic Denominational Schools have the guaranteed right to teach according to Catholic doctrine against abortion. Of course this means nothing to "Liberal" tyrants.
36 posted on 10/12/2012 7:59:27 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: annalex

The Liberal thinks of the schools as an arm of the state. This is the real rationale behind compulsory education. The schools ought to be free, but not compulsory. That, of course, creates a problem in a society in which youngsters find so little work that they continue in school until their mid 20s, as wards of the state.


37 posted on 10/12/2012 8:22:25 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

When you take government money, you dance to the government’s tune.


That is right, you can not be free when you are dependent on Government.


38 posted on 10/13/2012 1:56:06 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: annalex

So, will the Canadian Catholics follow the law of man over the law of God? If this is implemented we will certainly be able to identify the wheat from the tares.


39 posted on 10/13/2012 2:45:27 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: annalex

I am actually amused that you don’t think the government tells schools what to teach.


40 posted on 10/13/2012 6:33:39 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: impimp
once a Catholic school denies that abortion is evil then that school is no longer Catholic

True, and therefore the minister of education wants to take the school away from the Church. Revolutions started for lesser usurpations.

41 posted on 10/13/2012 10:39:22 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: PGR88; Petrosius
That’s the problem with being publicly funded

Yes, that is the fundamental problem. But as you see in Post 36 a country could have publicly funded schools yet teach the right doctrine, and it is in fact the Canadian system. The minister of "education" wants to break the law as written.

42 posted on 10/13/2012 10:43:15 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: GeronL
Alberta tried the same with homeschools, and Alberta’s government is dominated by so-called “conservatives”

So what came of it?

"Conservative" is not a meaningful term when it comes to elected officials.

43 posted on 10/13/2012 10:44:59 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Campion
it’s not acceptable for a school operating under the aegis of the church to be teaching gross error as truth.

Right, so the choice for the Church is clear: to teach clear doctrine, disobey the minister and her jackbooted government, and go underground if necessary. They should not, however, push for privatization of Catholic Schools in isolation from a broad reform of taxation and school control for all schools.

44 posted on 10/13/2012 10:47:59 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: To Hell With Poverty
Where. is. the. EXCOMMUNICATION?

Good question. Generally, where are the bishops of the Church on this?

I think they should begin, in addition to the pro-life doctrines, to teach that the democratic process is no guarantee of usurpation of power, and that a Catholic is obligated to resist unjust laws no matter who and under what lawmaking procedure promulgated them.

45 posted on 10/13/2012 10:52:28 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Petrosius

Thank you very mush for the substantive post.


46 posted on 10/13/2012 10:53:07 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: RobbyS

Yes. What is really needed is a revolution, and not only in Canada. But the first step is in realizing who the enemy is, and stop treating the government as universally legitimate. Increasingly, modern governments in industrial democracies work in direct opposition to natural rights. Their mandate should not be respected when they do.

It’s often said in situations liek this one: Well, the school will not be Catholic if it obeys. That is true, but another part is true as well: that minister is no longer a legitimate minister.


47 posted on 10/13/2012 10:58:36 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: circlecity
will the Canadian Catholics follow the law of man over the law of God?

I am not sure we the US Americans are prepared to take our Catholicism seriously. However, there is a certain culture of docility in Canada (except in Quebec) which makes their government meaner and more arrogant. Who knows? We all are due for a paradigm shift in the civil society, in Americas and in Europe.

48 posted on 10/13/2012 11:34:58 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: svcw
you don’t think the government tells schools what to teach.

Well, it does. Your perception of what I think is incorrect. I simply look at the reality in Canada and I recognize that the Canadian type of social contract is different than in the US: the Canadians are tolerant of elements of socialism perhaps because of the different historical experience and harsh climate.

I think that we have a patient who has a cancer and also a heart attack. The threat of a government mandate to teach government pro-death doctrine is a heart attack and the idea that the government has a role to play in education is cancer. You treat the heart attack first because if you don't, you die. But you should also treat the cancer. What I am against is mixing up the two problems, because then you end up treating neither one.

49 posted on 10/13/2012 11:41:18 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

I think they backed down, but I’m not sure


50 posted on 10/13/2012 3:13:51 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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