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Polish Catholic Church in Halloween Warning
BBC ^ | 10/29/12

Posted on 10/30/2012 6:32:37 AM PDT by marshmallow

Poland's Catholic Church has warned that modern Halloween rituals risk promoting the occult.

In a statement on its website, the Church said that celebrating Halloween could contradict Church teachings and Christianity.

One archbishop said the 31 October celebrations were promoting paganism to young people.

Archbishop Andrzej Dziega warned that Halloween was behind a "culture of death".

"This kind of fun, tempting children like candy, also poses the real possibility of great spiritual damage, even destroying spiritual life," the archbishop of Szczecin-Kamien wrote in a letter to be read out at Sunday sermons, according to the Polish Press Agency.

He wrote that "irresponsible and anti-Christian fun" introduced young people to a "world of darkness, including devils, vampires and demons" in the name of "fun".

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: halloween; occult; priest

1 posted on 10/30/2012 6:32:39 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Of course, the first thing on my mind when I distribute candy on Halloween is gathering souls for Satan.

< /s>


2 posted on 10/30/2012 6:37:53 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: marshmallow

There are a lot of greater threats to any Church than Halloween, including Homosexuals wanting to be Priests, and their past of hiding pedophiles.

I would say the Archbishop needs to worry more about the other 364 days in the year.


3 posted on 10/30/2012 6:38:32 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Bon mots
Of course, the first thing on my mind when I distribute candy on Halloween is gathering souls for Satan.

Isn't that the point? ;)

4 posted on 10/30/2012 6:42:25 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (We can’t just leave it (food choice) up to the parents. -- moochele obozo 2/12/2012 (cnsnews))
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To: marshmallow

I concur. If you look at how dark and twisted the movies, TV have become; the costumes and even the regular clothing people wear, all the body tattoos and piercings, imho a lot of these people are conducting a dress rehearsal for their future life (eternal) in Hell.


5 posted on 10/30/2012 6:43:13 AM PDT by golas1964 (Obama must be defeated in 2012)
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To: golas1964

You honestly believe that watching movies and tv, wearing costumes and even regular clothing and getting tattoos and piercing will result in a person going to hell?


6 posted on 10/30/2012 6:58:31 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: marshmallow; All
How would Muslims feel if we all dressed up like Mohamed?

the point is that Halloween MAKES FUN OF SATAN!

7 posted on 10/30/2012 7:21:56 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: marshmallow
The adaptations the Church made to older pagan rituals is certainly an interesting subject, from the Roman holiday of Saturnalia (Christmas), to Spring fertility rites dedicated to Ishtar (Easter), the Celtic harvest festival Samhain (Halloween and All Saints Day), and the Aztec Día de los Muertos (Day of the Dead) in Mexico. I suppose in some ways it started with Paul when he decided gentile converts would not be required to follow Jewish laws concerning diet and circumcision.

Do these observances act as occult snares? For the weak minded who leave Christianity for the silliness and fakery of Wicca or take the Twilight vampire tripe to the point of having their teeth sharpened I guess the answer is a "yes". But throughout history these adaptations to local and beloved rituals have probably helped more to make the message of Christianity acceptable than doing any harm.

8 posted on 10/30/2012 7:44:52 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Kansas58

No, the point of Halloween is to get as much candy as you can.


9 posted on 10/30/2012 7:45:50 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: katana
The adaptations the Church made to older pagan rituals is certainly an interesting subject, from the Roman holiday of Saturnalia (Christmas), to Spring fertility rites dedicated to Ishtar (Easter), the Celtic harvest festival Samhain (Halloween and All Saints Day)...

It may be interesting, but it's also largely bunk.

1) There is absolutely no evidence that Christmas was based on Saturnalia. The more common charge is that it is based on the ostensibly Mithraic "birthday of the Unconquered [Sun]" on December 25. But even that is tenuous, since they both occur together on the Chronography of 354 and it's impossible to tell from that which was first. The evidence from Hippolytus indicates that the Roman Church celebrated Dec. 25th at least since about 200....and St. John Chrysostom asserted that the date was kept from time immemorial at Rome and gleaned from the Census records.

2) "Easter" was only called that in Germanic countries who came later to Christianity. In Mediterranean countries, Easter is called Pascha/Pasqua/Pascua...which are all variants of the Hebrew Pesach. The feast was based on Passover, not any pagan celebration.

3) All Saints had nothing to do with Samhain originally. The earliest Irish martyrologies show that the Irish Church celebrated All Saints day in April. It was later moved to November 1st to bring it in line with the Roman All Saints Day. The Roman All Saints Day was chosen to commemorate the dedication of a Church to All the Saints on that day....the Romans didn't give a rat's rear about Samhain or Celtic religion in general.

Not that I object to baptizing pagan customs, mind you. After all, Pope Pius XII did that exact thing when he took the Communist May Day and turned it into the feast of St. Joseph the Worker. So even if those holidays were pagan in origin, I wouldn't really object. I just want to make sure that our history is correct, especially as so many neopagans running around there asserting dumb things like "All your Christian holidays are based on paganism!"

10 posted on 10/30/2012 8:26:07 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Bon mots

Halloween has changed alot since we were kids. I think the Poles are experiencing it not as we did—growing up door to door dressed as Superman—but with all the idiotic glorification of evil and bloodlust that goes with it nowadays.

There are appropriate ways for Christians to celebrate All Hallows’ Eve. Reveling in evil and death is not one of them.


11 posted on 10/30/2012 8:34:26 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Kansas58

I don’t think many people are thinking about satan in any manner on halloween


12 posted on 10/30/2012 8:36:35 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

Yes I do:
http://www.tldm.org/directives/d44.htm
http://www.tldm.org/directives/d52.MarkOfTheBeast.htm
http://www.tldm.org/directives/d72.htm

The popular culture, as promoted by the anti-Christian Left, pushes this stuff for a reason. It is not the seemingly innocent fun it purports to be. Electing Mitt Romney next week, God willing, is only a brief delay of the inevitable, if we do not turn our TVs OFF, if we do not work to get as many kids as possible out of the public school system and it’s anti-Christian culture in the short time we have left.


13 posted on 10/30/2012 8:38:08 AM PDT by golas1964 (Obama must be defeated in 2012)
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To: golas1964

I think you are in the minority


14 posted on 10/30/2012 8:39:45 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr
You honestly believe that watching movies and tv, wearing costumes and even regular clothing and getting tattoos and piercing will result in a person going to hell?

All human beings are flawed and sinful. That is what results in human beings going to hell.

Refusing to submit to God's will, refusing to submit to Christ as Lord and savior, is a rejection of the lifeline that God made available for all people by sending Jesus to live as a human being and die as a sacrifice for our sins is merely continues the default position that all human beings are destined for hell if they continue to reject God.

The cultural result of a humanity that is separated from God and that collectively rejects God's will manifests in growing secular acceptance of sinful behavior (homosexuality and other sexual sins, blasphemy and other mocking of God, theft, murder, and so on). As Romans Chapter 1 also notes, a culture that rejects God will be given over to its sins -- it celebrates sinful activities through its music, art, politics, economics, and all other aspects of life.

In doing so, the culture attempts to convince its members that God is unnecessary and that they can achieve perfection, happiness, enlightenment or whatever their spiritual goal on their own terms. The homosexual community is a perfect example - that community rejects God and attempts to convince itself, others, and potential members that there is nothing wrong or sinful about its activities.

To answer your question, then, merely watching an occult movie that celebrates violence, magic, and death does not send a person to hell. It is a symptom of being out of a right relationship with God.

15 posted on 10/30/2012 8:40:47 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: Claud
The evidence from Hippolytus indicates that the Roman Church celebrated Dec. 25th at least since about 200....and St. John Chrysostom asserted that the date was kept from time immemorial at Rome and gleaned from the Census records.

So let me get this straight: you believe the first eleven chapters of Genesis are mythology . . . but that J*sus was literally born on the 25th of December?

::Facepalm::

You folks are getting desperate.

16 posted on 10/30/2012 8:42:30 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Claud
Halloween has changed alot since we were kids. I think the Poles are experiencing it not as we did—growing up door to door dressed as Superman—but with all the idiotic glorification of evil and bloodlust that goes with it nowadays. There are appropriate ways for Christians to celebrate All Hallows’ Eve. Reveling in evil and death is not one of them.

I disagree.

Halloween is nearly unknown in Poland. I know, because I live in Poland.

American and even global culture glorifies death and violence and always has.

Don't believe it?
Look at a list of the top films of all time. Nearly every one has violence in it.
So what do humans find entertaining? Death, rape, violence, destruction.

Halloween has nothing to do with it!

The top three films are The Godfather 1, 2, &3. They are from when I was a kid.

17 posted on 10/30/2012 8:55:57 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: FateAmenableToChange

ok


18 posted on 10/30/2012 9:05:35 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: golas1964

And to clarify, by ‘regular clothing’ I don’t mean t-shirt and Levi’s. I mean clothing adorned with things like peace signs, pentagrams, skulls, skeletons, etc. They are commonplace, acceptable and very ‘regular’, here in the Northeast.

http://www.tldm.org/directives/d275.htm


19 posted on 10/30/2012 9:16:17 AM PDT by golas1964 (Obama must be defeated in 2012)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Relax ZC. I do not believe Genesis 1-11 are mythology.

As for Jesus being born on the 25th of December, you show me some contrary evidence. Like I said, Hippolytus mentions it specifically around 200. Chrysostom calls it an immemorial tradition of the Roman Church based on the census records.

Actually, if I had to guess I’d say there was an underlying Hebrew date (25 Kislev?), which was conflated with the Incarnation and rendered into the local calendars haphazardly (25 Pachon, 25 Pharmuthi, January 6th).


20 posted on 10/30/2012 9:38:38 AM PDT by Claud
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To: marshmallow
He wrote that "irresponsible and anti-Christian fun" introduced young people to a "world of darkness, including devils, vampires and demons" in the name of "fun".

It's precisely because such things as devils, vampires, and demons aren't real that they are fun.

21 posted on 10/30/2012 10:09:24 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: Bon mots

Point taken, but I think there’s an added demonic dimension to Halloween that there isn’t in, say, the Godfather. We’re supposed to be horrified by the Corleones. Supposed to be. :)


22 posted on 10/30/2012 10:36:18 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Bon mots
You're right.

People have the same strain of corruption and blood lust that they've always had. People didn't flock to the bloody executions and gladiatorial games because fifty lucky winners would get a free iSlave after the last event, they went to see the death and mutilation.

Halloween has gone the way of everything else that makes a buck. People have expanded it in both the childish fun for kids and ghoulish debauchery for adults directions to maximize the number of people willing to spend money in order to participate in whichever sort of Halloween they prefer.

You can't eliminate the corruption that's in people's hearts, only Christ can do that and only in those who are willing to surrender to Him, take up their cross, and follow Him. The best a society as a whole can do is to limit the opportunities people have to feed and grow that streak of corruption.

23 posted on 10/30/2012 11:09:15 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Claud; KC_Lion; wideawake; x
Relax ZC. I do not believe Genesis 1-11 are mythology.

Then I apologize, though I was certain you had made your rejection of those chapters clear.

As for Jesus being born on the 25th of December, you show me some contrary evidence.

"Oh yeah; prove it wasn't!" is hardly the most exacting logical argument.

Like I said, Hippolytus mentions it specifically around 200. Chrysostom calls it an immemorial tradition of the Roman Church based on the census records.

Actually, if I had to guess I’d say there was an underlying Hebrew date (25 Kislev?), which was conflated with the Incarnation and rendered into the local calendars haphazardly (25 Pachon, 25 Pharmuthi, January 6th).

1/6 was originally picked as the observance of the baptism of J*sus because it coincided with the ancient Egyptian Nile festival. Thus it became the "sanctification of the waters."

What I am objecting to in threads like this is the emerging "fundamentalist" attitude towards church tradition (an attitude that I had never been aware of before; certainly I can't recall any serious defense of the historicity of liturgical celebration dates before quite recently) when compared with the skepticism and hostility toward the Jewish festivals, which were given to Israel not by any prophet or any human being whatsoever but directly from the Mouth of the Invisible G-d. I myself have read serious claims by Catholic apologists that such Jewish festivals as Sukkot were adapted from pagan festivals--an argument that not only assumes the documentary hypothesis but is utterly at odds with all the Biblical and historical evidence.

According to Jewish Tradition Ro'sh HaShanah is the anniversary of the day Adam and Eve were created. Do you really mean to say that you accept this? I find it very hard to believe that any modern Catholic would, and when this skepticism and irreverence is contrasted with the neo-fundamentalism of the argument that "J*sus really was born on December 25" I find it quite infuriating.

Another point: the traditional chrstian attitude towards pagan vis a vis Jewish festivals is horrendous. Pagan festivals are "baptized" by being adapted while Jewish festivals are absolutely and positively forbidden. I don't suppose you can see where my objection to this lies, but it is at the heart of the impositions of chrstianity. If pagan feasts can be "baptized," then why are the Jewish holidays, and indeed the entire Jewish calendar all but banned?

The fact that chrstianity adapted the calendar and feasts of pagan Rome and rejected and anathematized those of Judaism forever give the lie to the annoying claim that chrstianity "fulfilled" Judaism. If anything, chrstianity has only fulfilled paganism.

24 posted on 10/30/2012 1:11:57 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: golas1964

Sorry Golas, but I cannot resist...

Your name means something like ‘bare-ass’ or naked in Polish...

In light of your post on clothing on a thread related to Poland, I found it a bit funny... With all due respect, sir!

If you don’t believe me, simply turn off your filter on Google and search ‘golas’.


25 posted on 10/30/2012 6:02:11 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Then I apologize, though I was certain you had made your rejection of those chapters clear.

That's probably the way you internally characterized my exegesis. I would never *dare* call it rejection or mythologizing....I am careful to stay within the bounds of tradition, although not tradition as it is assumed and defined by literalists but as it actually exists.

1/6 was originally picked as the observance of the baptism of J*sus because it coincided with the ancient Egyptian Nile festival.

Where did you get that information? Egyptian Christians differed on the date of His birth, an unusual fact if there was an Egyptian festival at the heart of it. Clement of Alexandria tells us some said 24 or 25 Pharmuthi, some said 25 Pachon. I'm not sure what the date was of this Nile festival you are thinking of, but I can't find any that match those possible dates.

And we've hashed this out before, but don't lump me in with other apologists you read.

First, I am not dogmatically asserting the historical veracity of these dates...just trying to correct the record. They are worth celebrating no matter where they fall on the calendar. Second, I haven't made a specific study of the Jewish festivals but I am inclined to agree with you that they were commanded by God rather than borrowed from the Gentiles.

If you're asking me to simply accept 1 Tishri as a settled dogmatic proposition, I won't. That's certainly the common position. But in Talmud Rosh Hashanah Rabbi Joshua put the Creation in Nisan. Some later authorities held that the world was created in the realm of thought in 1 Tishri but in the realm of action in 1 Nisan. So I'm not sure why I absolutely must hold to something that the sages differed on.

To your last point, let's remember that Pesach made it into the calendar wholesale and took the most important spot. The Christian Pascha has no pagan antecedent. Shavuot also made it into the calendar as Pentecost. Let's also remember that the Patriarchs are remembered in the Martyrology and have their own feast days.

But largely you are right--Jewish holy days generally were not carried over. My working hypothesis is that the destruction of the Jewish Christian community in the 2nd century eliminated an example of Jewish-Christian orthodoxy for the rest of the Gentile world and caused a long-standing dichotomy between Jews and Gentiles to reassert itself with a vengeance. I earned criticism from a traditional Catholic apologist for my defense of the Association of Hebrew Catholics on precisely this point--that their celebration of Jewish festivals was entirely orthodox. I frankly can't see how anyone can argue the contrary--what do they think the Apostles were doing in Jerusalem post Pentecost?

26 posted on 10/30/2012 7:36:51 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Bon mots

The surname originally had an ‘h’ on the end. It got ‘de-ethnicized’ at Ellis Island.

And I’m only bare-assed in the shower or in bed. XD


27 posted on 10/31/2012 9:22:14 AM PDT by golas1964 (Obama must be defeated in 2012)
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To: Bon mots

hmmmmmmmmmm


28 posted on 10/31/2012 9:25:24 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa (Vote for Goode, end up with evil, pat self on back repeatedly)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Hmmm don’t turn off your smut filter and search dupa.... In Romanian, it means “after”, like ‘dopo’ in Italian, ‘despues’ in Spanish...

But in Polish, it is a vulgar word for ass, but the vulgarity level is more like a$$hole.


29 posted on 10/31/2012 10:14:42 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Venturer
I live in Poland (past 2.5 years now) and they don't have those problems here. What they do have is strong faith being attacked by secularism under the guise of "Westernism". And Halloween is one of these. Instead of Halloween there is a better Polish festival today, All Souls where people travel from all over the country and the world to the graves of their parents -- the commemoration is one thing, but to ME, what is more apparent is this opportunity for family to come together. And extended families meet, discuss, renew family bonds. The same is repeated during Christmas and Easter.

In contrast, halloween at least the way it is today is obnoxious and I personally don't find it fun. Of course in the US if people want to play it, ok, why not? but in Poland, if they can ask for it not to take place, it's a new thing

30 posted on 11/01/2012 1:44:06 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Bon mots

I prefer the term “pupa” :)


31 posted on 11/01/2012 1:50:35 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
I prefer the term “pupa” :)

Pupa, tyłek = hiny, backside

:-)

32 posted on 11/01/2012 2:51:41 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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