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“Hitting Bottom” – Matt Archbold lays it out (Must Read!)
AlwaysCatholic ^ | November 7, 2012

Posted on 11/08/2012 2:13:21 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 11/08/2012 2:13:24 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Title should read: “Hitting Bottom” – Matt Archbold lays it out…


2 posted on 11/08/2012 2:16:01 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Or a better title: “A Country Divided.”


3 posted on 11/08/2012 2:18:58 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: NYer

He is bound to be a prepper. Everyone should be.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 2:26:36 PM PST by Marcella (“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic)
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To: NYer

Great article.....this is how I see it too.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 2:30:54 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: NYer

This election was always about who would be in charge of picking up the pieces, not how to avoid hitting the bottom. We went over the cliff when Barry was elected. I’m amazed that we didn’t hit the bottom sooner but who knows, it may even be another year or two.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 2:32:58 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: NYer

The American electorate has finally turned out the last lights in Ronald Reagan’s shining city on the hill. We have abandoned that city to creep down the hill to join the unwashed in the mud. And as the article says, the “education” establishment, the mass media and blatant vote fraud will ensure that the city stays dark. Maybe Joe Farah is right - God has abandoned us and the end is near.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 2:37:50 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: NYer

wrong. just because something hits bottom, does not mean it gets better.

a druggie hits up too much, looses everything. what usually happens is death by OD. doesn’t get better, gets dead.

surely, detroit has hit bottom or getting close. anyone see any signs of live there?

Greece? anything getting better in Greece?

most of the time, hitting bottom just means the end, and nothing gets better.


8 posted on 11/08/2012 2:44:12 PM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: NYer

bttt


9 posted on 11/08/2012 3:08:35 PM PST by diamond6 (Pray........pray very hard!!)
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To: NYer

Yeah, it’s a great article ...
Except when the wanters arrive on your door step and ask “... Can we dance whiff yo bank accounts?”
Then the happy bubble surrounding you gets breached...
Long may it last until that point........


10 posted on 11/08/2012 3:33:00 PM PST by matginzac
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To: NYer

bttt


11 posted on 11/08/2012 3:44:20 PM PST by petercooper
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To: NYer

This fellow is an optimist.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 3:51:22 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

This fellow is an optimist.

_____________________________

Indeed! He’s a believer. :-)


13 posted on 11/08/2012 3:58:00 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

I’m a believer. In God.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 4:10:00 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer

Magical thinking solves nothing. Most druggies hit the wall, and keep going. Many destroy the lives of their children and family in the process.

The myth that after you hit the rock bottom, you can get better ignores the reality that most who hit rock bottom splatter.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 4:22:47 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: sitetest

I’m a believer. In God.

_____________________

So is Matt Archbold.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 4:31:17 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: redgolum

Magical thinking

___________________

There was NO “magical thinking” in the article.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 4:32:50 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
Dear SumProVita,

His belief in God doesn't mean that he isn't overly optimistic.

The bottom line is, it's likely to get ugly, and there isn't a lot of hope of recovery. At least not in our lifetimes. Nations rise and they fall. With the re-election of the anti-Christ, it seems that a majority of those who voted cast their lot with Satan. We'll see how that turns out.

I agree with Mr. Archbold about turning toward taking care of one’s family. That's what I'm doing, too.

But I have no delusions - as things fall to pieces, as Mr. Archbold describes it - there is nothing to guarantee that some of us, perhaps many or most of us, might not be hit, and even killed by the shrapnel.

I hope for the best, but the worst is far, far worse than Mr. Archbold describes.

As I said, this fellow is an optimist.


sitetest

18 posted on 11/08/2012 4:39:28 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Dear sitetest,

Having read Mr. Archbold’s blog for a few years, I can assure you that he has a good idea of just how ugly things can get. He also knows that God is bigger than the worst of it...and that, ultimately, we spend eternity with that God who loves us with a merciful and greater love than we can even imagine.

Those who know history understand great periods of horror. Many of us, including Mr. Archbold, understand that we are presently heading in the direction of great horror. However, we should not lose our faith in Him who cares for us...nor our sense of humor. For some reason today, I recalled the story of Saint Lawrence, an early Christian martyr who “was tied on top of an iron grill over a slow fire that roasted his flesh little by little, but Lawrence was burning with so much love of God that he almost did not feel the flames. In fact, God gave him so much strength and joy that he even joked. “Turn me over,” he said to the judge. “I’m done on this side!” And just before he died, he said, “It’s cooked enough now.” Then he prayed that the city of Rome might be converted to Jesus and that the Catholic Faith might spread all over the world.”

We understand that we may be heading to the greatest horror the world has yet to see...but God IS with those who trust in Him.

;-)


19 posted on 11/08/2012 5:03:05 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

...and God WILL bring good out of all of it!

;-)


20 posted on 11/08/2012 5:05:13 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
Dear SumProVita,

I don't regularly read Mr. Archbold, and can only comment on what's in this essay. Here's the part with the overly optimistic assertions:

“I know where the country is going. I'm not going there and neither is my family.”

In one sense, that may be true. The country is going to hell in a handbasket, and Mr. Archbold will keep his family from joining the country in those nether regions.

But in another sense, it's entirely too optimistic. As the country goes to hell, we will be in for hell on earth. Not the eternal damnation sort of hell (but I'm not sure that Mr. Archbold means that about the country, anyway), but the grinding misery that may very well come our way.

“The Church will continue to exist whatever happens to this country.”

Yup. But we live in THIS country, and whatever happens to this country will affect us all. Possibly quite negatively.

“The country's barreling downwards and when it hits bottom it's going to explode like shrapnel. My job is to protect my family from the flying pieces. And then we'll start gathering the pieces.”

This borders on wishful thinking. When our country “hits bottom,” or at any point along the way, Mr. Archbold, and any of us, may be hit by those flying pieces, and we might not survive to start gathering up those pieces.

In fact, there might not be much to gather up. He assumes that there will be something left onto which to rebuild. Maybe eventually, but quite possibly, not in his lifetime nor that of his children.

“The only good news in all this is that I think that we'll hit bottom awfully quick because we're heading there awfully fast.”

This, too, is optimistic. I'm kinda thinking that the crisis will be relatively drawn-out, like slow torture. There are all sorts of tricks to be pulled out of the anti-Christ’s sleeve, and the sleeves of his enablers in the ruling elite. I figure, after the actual fall of the economy, the media and the elites will deny it even happened for the first four or five years, even as folks are dying of starvation.

And then, once we hit bottom, as others have pointed out, there's no guarantee that we'll make any meaningful recovery.

Your points about heaven and funny saints are all very well and good - I've heard the St. Lawrence story on uncounted occasions since I was maybe 14, I'm 52 now - but they're a little irrelevant to the question of whether or not Mr. Archbold is overly optimistic.


sitetest

21 posted on 11/08/2012 5:18:19 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer

I am not a Catholic but I agree with him 100%.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 7:53:44 PM PST by longhorn too
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To: NYer
I don't see any reason why God should save this nation. Why?

1) Millions turn out for a chicken sandwich, but can't figure out a way to peacefully and legally stop abortion. Really? ( eye roll)

2) 85% of our nation's children attend GODLESS government schools. What will they learn there? Answer: They **will** learn to think and reason godlessly. They must just to cooperate in the godless classroom. And...They risk learning that any government powerful enough to give them tuition-free schooling is powerful enough to give them **lots** of free stuff! After 100 or more years of this is it any wonder that half the nation looks to government as its redeemer and savior?

If Christians ( Catholic and Protestant) removed their children from the godless indoctrination camps these schools in many counties would have to close tomorrow.

Of the two above, the second is worse. At least an aborted baby flies directly into the arms of Jesus. Children in government schools risk losing their eternal souls.

Personally, my prayer for months as been that God will give this nation what it needs ( pleasant or painful) to bring it to repentance.

23 posted on 11/08/2012 8:29:44 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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To: wintertime

**If Christians ( Catholic and Protestant) removed their children from the godless indoctrination camps these schools in many counties would have to close tomorrow.**

Excellent point. Thank you. If I had it to do over again — I would send all my children to Catholic School. My husband was for public schools because he had attended the ONLY Catholic high school in Salt Lake City. Not a pleasant experience for him evidently.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 8:36:25 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Just curious.

Is your husband a practicing Catholic?


25 posted on 11/08/2012 8:59:56 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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To: rigelkentaurus

....Unless you seek rehab help.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 3:11:15 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SumProVita

My big concern is that we as a nation is heading towards a second civil war. Just look at the sales of guns since Tuesday’s election.


27 posted on 11/09/2012 3:19:46 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: sitetest

But the question I do have is this: Is Obama the anti-Christ or not? He may not be, just a precurser.


28 posted on 11/09/2012 3:21:44 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: NYer
‎"If you look at the numbers and the way pure democracy works, pure democracy is dangerous. The majority dictates against the minority. Right now the majority are receiving a check. That is why people were sort of surprised with these conditions that the president could get reelected. That is a bad sign in that there are more on the receiving end.

People do not want anything cut. They want all the bailouts to come. They want the Fed to keep printing money. They do not believe we of gone off the cliff or are close to going off the cliff. They think we can patch it over, that we can somehow come up with a magic solution. You cannot have a budgetary solution if you do not change what the role of government should be. As long as you think we have to please the world and run this welfare state, all we will argue about is who will get the loot. "

Ron Paul

(Don't accuse me of being a Paul Bot please)

29 posted on 11/09/2012 3:31:53 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: SumProVita
Of course there was. Saying that “after we hit bottom, they will listen to us!” is classic codependency BS.

After they hit rock bottom, they will come for this author’s nice little life and strip him of all he has to be “fair”. Addicts don’t change till they want to, and most will not want to till they die.

Save your own, and help those who want to be saved. But do not think that this country will get better. It will not. We will resemble the worse part of Mexico sooner than you think.

30 posted on 11/09/2012 4:04:16 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

after we hit bottom, they will listen to us!

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Hitting bottom must mean something different to you than it may mean to Mr. Archbold.

Most people DO learn the hard way. I know of too many people who are basically good people...but who have bought into a lie. When they see the fruits of their lie, they WILL want to change. Some won’t....but that is always the case. I happen to believe that the majority will wake up...when the horror fully surrounds them. Will I see them wake up ? I don’t know...because I think we are in for a long time of devastation.


31 posted on 11/09/2012 4:30:05 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: sitetest

Well sitetest,

It took me a long time to learn to put my trust in God....but when I did, it was the LESSON of LIFE...because He has NEVER let me down. There is even more:

You said “And then we’ll start gathering the pieces.”

This borders on wishful thinking.”

I don’t agree with that...because I think God has a plan in all of this. And I am not alone. Hang in there. We are in for, as the Anchoress puts it....some “interesting times.”

Here is part of her take:

** [...] Relativism, with a dose of narcissistic self-actualization, has been redefined as a “tolerance” that will tolerate anything but intolerance, and those religious groups who insist on teaching the faith to an age rather than teaching a passing age to the faith are seen as too-intolerant-to-be-tolerated by the secular triune godhead of state, media and academia.

The challenges are only going to get worse because the society is in a habit, now, of dissolution and this election feels to me – and I emphasize feels, because this is just instinct talking – like a willful choice toward the here-and-now rather than [toward] eternity. It’s a choice fueled by feelings being given primacy over reason, a general lack of imagination, and a poor understanding of supernatural realities that – I am sorry to say – is partly due to the deplorable job the Church has done, for far too long, of teaching its members how joyful, affirming and fulfilling is the life lived in Christ, and in obedience to his Bride.

We have for too long allowed our Church to be interpreted and filtered through media outlets whose members are sometimes hostile, sometimes ignorant, sometimes both. We have permitted a sacred continuum to be perceived as out-of-touch rather than wise, and we’re paying for that – and the payments are about to increase.

But there is an opportunity, here. Last night I monitored reactions from people on social media and I saw many “people of faith” – Catholics and Evangelicals – being completely roiled by the returns and I kept thinking of Peter’s first Letter: “There is cause for rejoicing here. You may for a time have to suffer the distress of many trials; but this is so that your faith, which is more precious than the passing splendor of fire-tried gold, may by its genuineness lead to praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ appears.” (1 Peter. 1:6-7)

There is a great deal of genuine Christian feeling and desire out there, but it is immature – American Christians have for the most part lived comfortably the life of faith. I believe we’re being given a chance, now, to become mature in our faith – if we are willing to be open to the workings of the Holy Spirit.

That is a big “if”. American Christians have not gone completely untouched by the influences of secularism and the selfishness and self-regard it foments. “Thy will be done” still spins our heads because our training insists, “but what about what I want?” We don’t realize that what God wants for us is always better than anything we can want for ourselves. The Church has a lot of work to do; much to teach; voices to find. But I believe the Holy Spirit is bringing them forward. Welcome to interesting times.**

So, sitetest, I honestly believe that the roots of the American people ARE predominantly found in the Christian view...though our vines and leaves have become wilted and part of the plant diseased. The Good Vine-dresser is about to prune us...to make us productive again...in SPIRITUAL fruits.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 5:05:24 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
“Thy will be done” still spins our heads because our training insists, “but what about what I want?”

For most American Christians, P and C alike, this is not a problem, because they believe, sincerely, that His will = what they want at the moment.

33 posted on 11/09/2012 5:14:02 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: All

That is why “rehab” is the “cure”.


34 posted on 11/09/2012 5:16:04 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SumProVita

Most people don’t learn to check their core assumptions. That is a fact.


35 posted on 11/09/2012 5:16:42 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Biggirl
Dear Biggirl,

“Is Obama the anti-Christ or not?”

THE Anti-Christ? I don't think so. He's too stupid, too blatant, insufficiently subtle, of too-limited talents. I suspect The Anti-Christ will be someone capable of deceiving nearly all. This jackass could barely deceive 50.5%. And that's with bribing 47% of the folks.

But he is AN anti-Christ. Of that, there is no doubt.


sitetest

36 posted on 11/09/2012 5:22:35 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Jim Noble

Yep...You got it! That’s why it will, indeed, be interesting....when the Truth invades. I don’t think it is any mere coincidence that the focus of the Church in this Year of Faith is evangelization.

:-)


37 posted on 11/09/2012 5:22:38 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: redgolum

True...but I am not sure of exactly what you are focusing on with that statement.


38 posted on 11/09/2012 5:25:25 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: sitetest

I agree with you on this, sitetest. He definitely walks in the spirit of the anti-Christ. He was brought up in that spirit. May God have mercy on his soul.


39 posted on 11/09/2012 5:28:30 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
Dear SumProVita,

“It took me a long time to learn to put my trust in God....”

By saying this to me, I could readily infer that you think I don't. Be careful of the assumptions you make.

“I don’t agree with that...because I think God has a plan in all of this.”

God always has a plan. And God somehow figures out how things will be worked into his plan. So, when Islam wiped out nearly every trace of Christianity in the 7th century in what is now Saudi Arabia, I'm sure God's plan is in there, somewhere. But for the Christians who were wiped out,... well,...

Christians were annihilated in Saudi Arabia, in Afghanistan, nearly so in any number of other countries, and those that survived have lives under daily persecution, and have so lived for FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS in a lot of these hellholes under these barbarian savages.

I believe in God, I believe that He will save us ultimately, and that those who die in a state of grace will be with Him in Heaven. Doesn't mean the United States might not be completely lost to Satan for centuries to come. Doesn't mean there is going to be anything to pick up after the Kenyan anti-Christ is through with us.

Maybe there might be. Maybe there won't.

God's plan, God's grace, God's kindness, none of these imply, none of these require that the United States survive, or that it remains Christian, or that the Christians in America will survive, or that most of us won't be killed.

“So, sitetest, I honestly believe that the roots of the American people ARE predominantly found in the Christian view...”

That's nice. So were the roots of a lot of nice Christians throughout the Middle East, who, nonetheless are no more, or who have lived with over a millennium of oppression.

That may be our fate, here, and if it is, we will have to learn to live with it. Perhaps it will be God's will that many of us may be martyred. And at the Eschaton, all will have been for the best. Certainly.

But, like St. Thomas More, I never desired martyrdom, never sought it out. You'll forgive me if I don't face the destruction of what was once a decent society, of all that was good and decent in America, and of all those innocents who are being and will be destroyed in America, with a big happy-faced smile painted across my face.

It is permitted to mourn what is lost.


sitetest

40 posted on 11/09/2012 5:41:11 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer
The only good news in all this is that I think that we'll hit bottom awfully quick

Why do people think that after we hit bottom things will come smelling like roses and looking up. The only thing we'll get after a world-wide economic collapse is a new world-wide currency and a world-wide government. America won't get rebuilt into something better. How did that Arab Spring democracy thing in Egypt work out for ya??

41 posted on 11/09/2012 5:48:10 AM PST by LivingNet
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Even non-Catholics will get a lot out of reading this.

42 posted on 11/09/2012 5:51:39 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: sitetest

By saying this to me, I could readily infer that you think I don’t.

_________________________________

It was not my intention to imply that at all...honestly.

“It is permitted to mourn what is lost.”

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Absolutely! It is also prudent to fully understand the horror ahead of us...and then, get to work!

Each of us...must unite more fully with the faithful and like-minded in our local area of influence. I am talking even down to the neighborhood area...for prayer and preparation.


44 posted on 11/09/2012 5:55:53 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: sitetest

Another thought: Let’s not forget the true story of Corrie Ten Boom.

“When I was a little girl…, I went to my father and said, “Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be strong enough to be a martyr for Jesus Christ.” “Tell me,” said Father, “When you take a train trip to Amsterdam, when do I give you the money for the ticket? Three weeks before?”

“No, Daddy, you give me the money for the ticket just before we get on the train.” “That is right,” my father said, “and so it is with God’s strength. Our Father in Heaven knows when you will need the strength to be a martyr for Jesus Christ. He will supply all you need – just in time.“”


45 posted on 11/09/2012 6:00:08 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: All

That is why “rehab” is the “cure”.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 6:00:38 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SumProVita
Dear SumProVita,

“Absolutely! It is also prudent to fully understand the horror ahead of us...and then, get to work!”

This is a little different from “things will hit bottom quickly, I'll take care of me and mine and protect them from the shrapnel, and then we'll just go about picking up the pieces.”

“Each of us...must unite more fully with the faithful and like-minded in our local area of influence. I am talking even down to the neighborhood area...for prayer and preparation.”

Each of us must live justly, and within that, do what we can to protect our own. We must pray and wait on God. The “solutions” required by our nation are no longer within our grasp. Things will not get better as a result of our efforts. We are beyond any natural help or assistance.

Things will get worse. There will be no overall relief. I doubt that things will hurtle downwards. The decline, I think, will be kind of gradual, not to alarm anyone. Economically, we'll see some ups and downs. Unemployment will likely decline over time. But so will full-time employment. Many more people will be employed on a part-time, casual basis. There will be fewer "careers." Health care will gradually, but steadily deteriorate. Fewer people will own their own homes. Fewer people will start new businesses. Illegitimacy and fatherlessness will become the norm. People will still attend church, but they will increasingly pay God lip service. The government will grow larger and larger, but not all at once. Just a little each day. Our rights will be increasingly restricted. Not all at once, just a little each day.

The poor will grow poorer, and eventually, they will grow desperately poor. Laws that protect the innocent, things like age of consent laws, things like laws that protect the young, the old, the innocent from abuse, will be stricken as "impositions on freedom." Or something like that. I imagine in time every law concerning the abuse of drugs will be stricken, every sexual act, practice and arrangement will be made legal.

And most folks will submit because, well, most folks will approve.

There could be a “bottom” someday, but from our human perspective, to our human vision, the pit into which we have fallen is bottomless.

We must pray and wait on God, meanwhile doing what we can to preserve what little we can for ourselves and our own. We pray that God delivers us from the time of trial when we pray the Our Father. It appears that He may have permitted us to be delivered into a time of trial, in spite of our prayers.

It may not be entirely vain to try to exert what little power that we can in this pagan society, at least to mitigate around the edges what is coming.

But primarily, we need to pray and wait on God. A little fasting and penance won't hurt, either. Perhaps He will call our nation to repentance and we will have a rebirth of righteousness and freedom. Or perhaps it's his will that America is pretty much over, at least as it has existed for over 200 years.

But we will not pick up the pieces. We will not put things back together. We will not make things right.


sitetest

47 posted on 11/09/2012 6:19:58 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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The “worse case” situation will be a second civil war which would make the first one look like a day at the beach.


48 posted on 11/09/2012 6:24:36 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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49 posted on 11/09/2012 6:37:11 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SumProVita
Let me be a little more clear.

Because of my career, I come into contact with a lot of people who have various life issues. By in large, they do learn when they hit bottom. Many keep digging till they totally destroy all those around themselves.

And when they hit bottom, they don't accept responsibility, they keep blaming everyone else.

You can only rebuild and change if you
1. Want to change.
2. Accept responsibility.

Most people are not capable of doing that.

50 posted on 11/09/2012 6:40:16 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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