Skip to comments.THE IMPOSSIBLE GOSPEL OF MORMONISM: PLAN OF SALVATION
Posted on 11/27/2012 4:05:51 PM PST by greyfoxx39
The Mormon god, who was...
...once a sinner,
...and was picked by a "council of gods" to get the god job of this planet...and a planet near the star Kolob...
...and then appeared to Joseph Smith without ever claiming to be God (search Joseph Smith History in Pearl of Great Price ... you'll never see Smith id'ing this entity as a "god")...
...concocted this false "gospel"...
...which 55,000 Lds missionaries now peddle worldwide...
It looks kind of like the organizational chart for Obama Care, and, no doubt, works just as effectively.
Christianity is so much simpler
And the fact that so many of the bamboozled are Catholics turns my stomach.
This makes it sound like Scientology
I do not care what Mormons believe.
And the man who tried to become POTUS has stated that he believes every word.....
Well, how very special.
This is the religion forum, this is a religious discussion......sorry it perturbs you.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4; 13-15.
“Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200”
Let it go. Mitt will no longer impact your life or your beliefs in any way.
We are grateful for the 52,225 full-time missionaries serving in more than 150 countries.16 The sun never sets on righteous missionaries testifying of the
Savior mormon church. Think of the spiritual power of 52,000 missionaries, endowed with the Spirit of the Lord Joseph Smith, boldly declaring that there is no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come
, only in and through the name of Christ. mormon church temple rituals
"My young brethren of the priesthood, I testify of the majesty, but most of all, of the certainty of this magnificent event. The Savior lives. He will return to the earth (the Second Coming) . And whether on this side of the veil or the other, you and I will rejoice in His coming and thank the Lord that He sent us to earth at this time to fulfill our sacred duty of helping prepare the world for
His return the mormon theocracy
."other people, who may not yield full obedience to his laws, nor be fully instructed in his covenants, will, nevertheless, have to yield full obedience to his government. For it will be the reign of God upon the earth, and he will enforce his laws, and command that obedience from the nations of the world which is legitimately his right (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor , 225).
Mormonism and Mitt are devoted to defeating Christianity, please tolerate Christians speaking about it.
Ooh ooh! Let’s make one for every religion!
This is where there's just an overwhelming disconnect between what some FREEPERs allege vs. the gaping gaps we see.
The Hound of the Baskervilles was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's third of his Sherlock Holmes series titles.
Yet what was his first Sherlock Holmes' work...and what part did Mormonism play in that book?
Answer? The book was entitled: A Study in Scarlet...and Part II of the book delved heavily into Mormonism:
Yet despite Doyle's interest in Mormonism, enough to place it front & center in his lead Sherlock Holmes book, a FREEPER who portends to even derive his FREEPER "id" from yet another Doyle book comes on and claims a contrasting disinterest...e'en tho Doyle was hardly disinterested in Mormonism!!!!
From the above link: Part II: "The Country of the Saints"
The Mormon Nauvoo Legion, considerably overlapping with the Danites. The story flashes back to the Utah Territory in 1847, where John Ferrier and a little girl named Lucy, the only survivors of a large party of pioneers, lie down near a boulder to die from dehydration and hunger. They are discovered, however, by a large party of Mormons led by Brigham Young. The Mormons rescue Ferrier and Lucy on the condition that they adopt and live under their faith. Ferrier, who has proven himself an able hunter, is given a generous land grant with which to build his farm after the party constructs Salt Lake City. Years later, a now-grown Lucy befriends and falls in love with a man named Jefferson Hope. Lucy and Hope become engaged to be married, scheduled after Hope's return from a three-month long journey for his job. However, Ferrier is visited by Young, who reveals that it is against the religion for Lucy to marry Hope, a non-Mormon. He states that Lucy should marry Joseph Stangerson or Enoch Drebberboth members of the Mormon Church's Council of Fourthough Lucy may choose which one. Ferrier and Lucy are given a month to decide. Ferrier, who has sworn to never marry his daughter to a Mormon, immediately sends out word to Hope for help. When he is visited by Stangerson and Drebber, Ferrier is angered by their arguments over Lucy and throws them out. Every day, however, the number of days Ferrier has left to marry off Lucy is painted somewhere on his farm in the middle of the night. Hope finally arrives on the eve of the last day, and sneaks his love and her adoptive father out of their farm and away from Salt Lake City. However, while he is hunting for food, Hope returns to a horrific sight; a makeshift grave for the elder Ferrier. Lucy is nowhere to be seen. Determined to devote his life to revenge, Hope sneaks back into Salt Lake City, learning that Lucy was forcibly married to Drebber and that Stangerson murdered Ferrier. Lucy dies a month later from a broken heart; Drebber, who inherited Ferrier's farm, is indifferent to her death. Hope then breaks into Drebber's house the night before Lucy's funeral to kiss her body and remove her wedding ring. Swearing vengeance, Hope stalks the town, coming close to killing Drebber and Stangerson on numerous occasions. Hope begins to suffer from an aortic aneurysm, causing him to leave the mountains to earn money and recuperate. When he returns about a year later, he learns that Drebber and Stangerson have fled Salt Lake City out of fear for their lives...
Re: Doyle's Depiction of Mormonism (same linked source above):
According to a Salt Lake City newspaper article, when Conan Doyle was asked about his depiction of the Latter-day Saints' organization as being steeped in kidnapping, murder and enslavement, he said: "all I said about the Danite Band and the murders is historical so I cannot withdraw that, though it is likely that in a work of fiction it is stated more luridly than in a work of history. It's best to let the matter rest". However, Conan Doyle's daughter has stated: "You know, father would be the first to admit that his first Sherlock Holmes novel was full of errors about the Mormons." Years after Conan Doyle's death, Levi Edgar Young, a descendant of Brigham Young and a Mormon general authority, claimed that Conan Doyle had privately apologised, saying that "He [Conan Doyle] said he had been misled by writings of the time about the Church." However, in a preface to Volume II of The Complete Novels and Stories of Sherlock Holmes, Loren D. Estleman noted the implied criticism of the Mormon Church. He states that the story was not controversial at the time of the story's release, probably due to the recent memory of the Mountain Meadows massacre and the small membership of the church.
GF, Elsie, I & others were posting about Mormonism well before Mitt announced his candidacy...and we were posting about it on FR well before that campaign officially kicked off in Jan of 07...
he believes every word that he learned from childhood and is preached to him constantly.....as do protestants.
Well first of all I am not a he. Second I did read A Study in Scarlet. Third I like the Holmes stories by Doyle because Holmes was a genius and logical. Fourth the most handsome and amazing actor that ever lived was Jeremy Brett, now deceased. He played Sherlock Holmes in the long running English TV series and from time to time I like to feast my eyes on his noble chiseled features and be amazed that he was far and away the best Sherlock Holmes OF ALL TIME.
ah, In case you did not notice this is the religion forum and this is a religious discussion, posting about mormonISM has been going on on FR for more than a decade.....
get with the program.
And your point is what?
Ya know, this is about the third similar kind of comment I've seen since the Election...and it's not like there's been an overwhelming # of Mormon threads...
What's interesting in these comments is that it shows the poster assumes they know the motivation of why these threads are posted.
Their assumption is tantamount to us...
...approaching Mormon missionaries everywhere in April of 2012...
...telling them that they could stop preaching that all Catholics are "apostates"...
...since Santorum, a Catholic, had just dropped out running vs. Romney...
See the parallel?
To think that we proclaim truth about Mormonism only as some political leverage -- and not for the sake of truth-telling itself -- would be the same error as assuming that 55,000 Lds missionaries were out and about 2011-2012 only to expose the Catholic "heresies" of Santorum & Gingrich...anytime they rang a Catholic doorbell...
We can start with a box “where did we come from,” continue on to another box “Who/how did the creator reveal himself,” move to “what is required of me/others (and how to influence them.)” and finish with “Perfection.”
Do we influence with swords, verbal barbs, or living examples?
(and of course, my diagram will have a 613-commandment path and a parallel, essential 7-commandment path.... ;-)
and yet you took the time to enter the thread you don’t care about and post to it. that’s just special.
Well, we know Jesus opted out of the sword approach...hence, "he who lives by the sword, dies by it."
Well, I do wish some FREEPERs would quit trying to "outnice" Jesus, who verbally worked over the legalists of that time...the Pharisees & teachers of the law...
Calling them "children of Satan" (John 8)...vipers...whitewashed tombstones...etc (Matt 23) wasn't exactly encouragement via edification...
And a "living examples" ONLY approach could wind up glorifying an unidentified "god" in an era where people embrace multiple "gods."
Yes, but did you ever give a written or online critique of Doyle's A Study in Scarlet, dissing him for including a subject of no interest to you (Mormonism) in that book? (Yes? No?)
Jesus answered, The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.
1 John 3:21-24
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps Gods commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
And do Catholics, who tend to be even more rote and ritualistic about including a "religious" dimension of their lives...
Then why did you post this?
Why not just ignore the thread??
Sorry; but ol' Mitt is STILL a quite visible member of a hellish heresy and will do anything to promote it.
2 Corinthians 11:12
And I will keep on doing what I am doing
in order to cut the ground from under those
who want an opportunity to be considered equal
with us in the things they boast about.
Spoken like a True Catgholic.
Spoken like a True Catholic.
But mainly with TRUTH.
A LOT of it can be found here:
I still don’t care what Mormons believe.
I’ll go ahead and start here https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQgjdyCK1XbPBUdT1ECh8jGzzhwKjIIb1wFcSXjuKSBzzNNG7E
That’s about all a Jew needs...to start with anyway.
(Well Sir Arthur Conan Doyle did -- to a limited extent -- and based upon your FREEPname, that alone should be enough to satisfy you)
ALL: This is REALLY the bottom-line "upshot" of Mormonism...
This question asks all Mormons, based upon the Book of Mormon verse of being saved by grace only "AFTER ALL you can do." (2 Nephi 25:23)
Mormons...anyone...have you done ALL you can do?
If "NO," per the Mormon gospel, then grace won't "kick in" for you...for ye will be saved by grace only AFTER all you can do.
You, Mormon, are therefore in a lost outer darkness state unless you can attain perfection in all dimensions of your life!!!
Did you know that Mormons believe that EVERYBODY intially goes to this very same "spirit world" -- that's supposedly not very far from us?
Here's a FR article posted from an official Lds church mag: The Spirit World, Our Next Home
Hence, Mormons teach:
1. The Mormon spirit world is "on this earth."
2. President Ezra Taft Benson declared that the spirit world is not far away. Sometimes the veil between this life and the life beyond becomes very thin."
3. The wicked go to "spirit prison," which is not eternal hell.
4. Peter refers to the spirit world as prison, and it is for some. (1 Pet. 3:1820, 1 Pet. 4:6.) However, to the Mormon, spirit prison is a "higher university" -- it chiefly being a place of learning and waiting, not a place of suffering. [Oh. First Mormons eliminate the eternality of hell. Then they redefine actually as a "school," which I suppose for some students of our public schools, the same thing as "hell."]
5. In short, the spirit world is the temporary home of the spirits of all mankind, whether they are good or evil. Thus Joseph Smith could declare that the righteous and the wicked all go to the same world of spirits until the resurrection. (Teachings, p. 310.) Yet some have wondered why Jesus promised the dying thief that after his death he would join the Savior in paradise. The Prophet Joseph taught: King James translators make it out to say paradise. But what is paradise?
6. So, instead of teaching that the righteous go to heaven, or really any "degree of salvation," Mormonism actually emphasizes a "dumbing down" where "all mankind" originally goes to the same place, no matter what! And guess what? God isn't there: it is not the place where God the Father, the resurrected Lord, and other resurrected beings dwell. Rather, it is an intermediate condition or state where people await the resurrectiona sphere where disembodied spirits live in one of several conditions according to what their mortal lives have merited."
7. So, so far, trusting in Jesus Christ and relating to Jesus Christ amounts to what your life merits. You're just a cosmic Boy Scout.
8. Thus, Mormons remain "missionaries" on the other side. It's no place of rest as the Bible describes the other side. Yup, for Mormons ...the spirit world is the place where disembodied spirits go. It is a tangible, substantial sphere incorporated with our earth, the focal point of a massive missionary effort in which we share.
Thus, they get to continue to earn their way to heaven by trying to bump up others along the way!
Do you mean Catholics becoming Mormons?
I had a couple in my store last year. The wife was converting to Catholicism.
They had been married for many years, he was Catholic, she was Mormon. Very interesting conversation.
Welcome home, I say.
Doyle believed fairies were real. He was a lapsed Catholic who conducted seances. What he wrote about any religion is not relevant to me.
“he believes every word that he learned from childhood and is preached to him constantly.....as do protestants.”
Thank you for a really good post.
I was a Protestant. Thanks be to God, I became a Catholic.
“To think that we proclaim truth about Mormonism only as some political leverage — and not for the sake of truth-telling itself — would be the same error as assuming that 55,000 Lds missionaries were out and about 2011-2012 only to expose the Catholic “heresies” of Santorum & Gingrich...anytime they rang a Catholic doorbell...”
I have had Mormons at my door as well as Jehovah’s Witnesses.
I tell them all the same thing. I am Catholic.
Of course I was telling them that before I became Catholic, so now at least I am being truthful. LOL
I wasn't trying to make a point, someone else was. They were condemning Romney for following a false religion that he had experienced since childhood....I merely pointed out that it is not that hard to do.....
I was a Catholic. Thanks be to God, I became a Christian.
very true, but Catholics were there from the beginning....protestants came alng about 1,600 years later....big difference!!!
If you were baptized in the Catholic Church, you are still a Catholic.
Don’t know how to break this to you but, the very first Christians were Catholic and we still are!
You didn’t become a Christian, you gave up the Eucharist. You left Jesus.
thank you....I'm intoxicated with the true Christian religion on earth....the others, churches of what's happening now, just don't measure up...
"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."