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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: Al Hitan
Who should we believe? The gospel according to you or to Luke?

Who should we believe? The gospel according to RCC or to Luke?

551 posted on 01/09/2013 12:30:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Heart-Rest
Did Christ teach Saul/Paul personally, other than knocking him down with a bright light, and asking Saul why he was persecuting Him?

If PETER had been any kind of POPE at all; then HE would have sought Saul/Paul out and assigned him his mission statement.

552 posted on 01/09/2013 12:33:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
What will it take for you to stop posting this nonsense?

Catholic only nonsense will STILL be flowing from Rome until the Lord comes.

THEN all of us bleating, ovine creatures will get separated; with no doubt very many saying, "Whaddya mean I'm a GOAT?"

553 posted on 01/09/2013 12:36:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
makes salvation too complicated. Too many hoops to jump through. Too many do's and don't's.

Actually, note by the above that Jesus Christ Himself says that we must repent, believe, be baptised, eat of His body and blood.

Salvation is given freely, yet to accept it is not to just mumble "Lord, Lord" -- refer to James 2:17

If one does not believe, one does not receive the freely given grace -- Mk 6:16. If one does not repent, same thing. Same thing with not enduring to the end etc. etc. -- These are Jesus' own words

Note that our God is not a God of "Or" -- this or this, but AND -- baptism AND repentence AND faith AND etc. -- the problem is when one takes only St. Paul's one verse and ignore the entire statement -- Paul elaborates on each statement, each of the AND gates put forth by Christ.

554 posted on 01/09/2013 12:36:57 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Natural Law
...what ensures the ongoing inerrancy of His Church.

That's worked out well...

555 posted on 01/09/2013 12:38:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
That position is not supported by historical fact.

Where's YOUR facts?

556 posted on 01/09/2013 12:39:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
An appeal to authority is only effective when the authority is universally accepted.


557 posted on 01/09/2013 12:41:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
Presenting a Protestant academic as an authoritative source in contravention to Catholic teaching and expecting Catholics to accept it is a fools errand.

While...

Presenting a Catholic pope as an authoritative source in contravention to BIBLICAL teaching and expecting rational people to accept it is a fools errand.

558 posted on 01/09/2013 12:43:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums; Natural Law
Tell me what he said that you consider “contravention to Catholic teaching”.

Good luck!

NL rushes to judgement and then fails to either back up with evidence or fails to admit error.

559 posted on 01/09/2013 12:44:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
...and defensive as in “You’re deluded.”

You STILL tryin' this?



560 posted on 01/09/2013 12:45:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos

#441

it’s just that many of those born-again groups are, well, Jesse Duplantis - it’s a bit difficult to hold with him, right?


561 posted on 01/09/2013 12:47:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
...your posts are only enlightening in the sense of revealing your utter lack of knowledge and propensity to get befuddled ...




562 posted on 01/09/2013 12:49:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
Glad to hear it -- though most of the other non-catholic posters here, disagree with it, mostly about the Trinity...

Did you just paint ME with your broad brush?

563 posted on 01/09/2013 12:50:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Why mangle John 3? Here we are told about Nicodemus who ‘secretly’ seeks out Jesus to tell Him, that Nicodemus knows that Christ is a teacher come from God. Christ was the leader of the protesters. He came to fulfill prophecy among other objectives. Hebrews 2:14 fits most appropriately with God's purposes.

Given this background information Christ tells Nicodemus something that He knows that Nicodemus has not been taught. Giving the implication the teaching is not new, as per the question of Nicodemus “Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?.....”

I have no clue who is the first one that decided they would fix the Words Christ spoke to Nicodemus, but the words ‘born again’ are not the words or the message or the instruction Christ was giving to Nicodemus or to Christians.

Christ is telling any and all the first requirement to SEE the kingdom of God... Except a man/woman be born *from above*, he/she cannot SEE the kingdom of God.

Those of Genesis 6 and Jude refused to be born of woman and journey through this flesh age, and they have already been sentenced to death. But, that sentence has yet to be fulfilled.

564 posted on 01/09/2013 12:55:41 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: dartuser
BS walks -- you walk, right?

You do realise that it was editor-surveyer was the one saying it was written only in Hebrew, right?

Now go back and realize how all of your beliefs are based on incomplete reading....

565 posted on 01/09/2013 12:59:38 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Syncro
They would be seen as protesting towards the Catholic church, then huh? So they are Protestant.

Now you are the one categorising. And no, the term "Protestant" has been flexed too much over the years. Even some born-agains and non-trinitarians would claim to be Protestant and many Protestants would reject those claims.

So the very "p" term is redundant.

again, you look at the news article, whereas I gave you the link to the actual text which states that Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church and "Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation" -- ergo, your earlier post based on a headline is wrong.

566 posted on 01/09/2013 1:02:10 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: editor-surveyor
What the Greek corrupted translation says is irrelevent.

Its the Hebrew original gospel that counts, and that calls him a “throwing rock.”

Actually you don't even have any proof that the original was in any language other than in Koine Greek or Aramaic

In the New testament the words used are mostly Aramaic, not Hebrew

example: Matthew 27:46 eli eli lema sabachthani is ARAMAIC, not Hebrew as in Psalm 22:1 ‘eli ‘eli lama ‘azavtani

editor; Yeshua humorously called Peter “hard pebble,” a name that he had been called all of his life because it was the nature of his personality.

"all of his life" -- really, you know that hidden knowledge that the rest of humanity didn't know? Where did you find the evidence that he was called that "all of his life"?

and, "hard pebble" -- where do you keep coming up with so many errors? over and over again

Petros in Koine Greek (which is the greek of the time of Christ and the greek of the New Testament) was a synonym of Petra

Only in ancient (500 BC + ) Greek was petros meaning "small rock"

In Koine Greek pebble is translated as "lithos"

567 posted on 01/09/2013 1:04:23 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Religion Moderator; Iscool

What dispute — Iscool stated once that He was Catholic converting to being a Baptist, then recanted that, then other statements about being other things. Puts the entire veracity of the poster’s statements in doubts, right?


568 posted on 01/09/2013 1:05:30 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: CynicalBear

the English term “priest” is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder) — these have the responsibility of teaching, governing, and providing the sacraments in a given congregation (1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15).


569 posted on 01/09/2013 1:07:33 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: CynicalBear
Oh, they give lip service to Jesus

That may be true about your sect, but not Christianity as a whole.

570 posted on 01/09/2013 1:08:20 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Elsie
Who should we believe? The gospel according to RCC or to Luke?

The Catholic Church is in agreement with Luke that Jesus gave Simon the name of Peter.

Your claim, however, is in opposition to the truth of Scripture.

YOU:

    And you IGNORE the scripture (#180) I posted that PROVES He didn't [name Simon "Peter"]?

LUKE:
    Simon, whom He also named Peter...

571 posted on 01/09/2013 1:10:16 AM PST by Al Hitan (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.)
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To: CynicalBear
it's drivel if you can't argue with facts, eh?

Cynical bear: Trying to carry over the Old Testament meaning of priest

The Bible: Exodus 19:6 and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

and 1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God

Sorry, the Bible contradicts what you are saying

The Church holds that, just as with the ancient Israelites, we are all a "nation of priests" and just as the ancient Israelites had ministerial priests set aside (Levites), so too do we have in the Church

The same structure -- with the difference that the High Priest is eternal Jesus Christ who is present at each Eucharist, each Mass

the Israelites abdicated their role as a “nation of priests” with their little foray into gold-calf making. -- sorry, that doesn't hold as we read in Exodus 16 how Aaron and Moses preach to the Israelites

Even in Exodus 19 with the pronouncement of you[a] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ -- these come from God through Moses and in Exodus 19:22 you read And let the priests also, which come near to the Lord, sanctify themselves, lest the Lord break forth upon them.

This was before Moses went up into Mt. Sinai

during the Eucharist, Christ IS present as the High Priest

Christ is the High Priest and we are all His priestly nation -- whether lay priests or ministerial priests

The High Priest, Jesus Christ is the High Priest and the one-time Sacrifice -- note, this is a participation in the One-Time sacrifice which as seen in the words of the Apocalypse of St. John of Patmos, as seen in Heaven is the Lamb standing proudly with the blood of Christ in the Eucharist

So, just as in the OT the Israelites/we are all a nation of priest yet they/we had a ministerial priesthood, who, while part of the priesthood had additional, ministerial duties

And this is apparent in the roles of the elders (Presbuteros), bishops etc. in the New Testament -- NOTE: the English term "priest" is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder) -- these have the responsibility of teaching, governing, and providing the sacraments in a given congregation (1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15).

572 posted on 01/09/2013 1:11:28 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: metmom
and the NT was written before the recorded history of the Catholic church.

sorry, but that is incorrect. The recorded history of the Church goes back to the Apostles.

Note also that Jewish canon was not closed until the Council of Jamnia in circa 90 AD. This removed many of the words from the Septuagint that were used by Christians as scriptural proof, which is why preaching Christianity from modern-day Jewish scripture is refutable by our Jewish friends. From the Septuagint, not so much.

573 posted on 01/09/2013 1:45:51 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Elsie

Nice self portrait!


574 posted on 01/09/2013 2:02:23 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Elsie; Natural Law
what ensures the ongoing inerrancy of His Church.

Yes, that did work out very well, thanks to God's grace alone His Church has won many to the Faith of Christ -- Germanics, Slavs, Baltics, Nordics, Naiman, Keralites etc. -- truly fulfilling the prophecy that God's praises will be sung from east to west.

575 posted on 01/09/2013 2:14:39 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: CynicalBear
to turn your words on you It’s obvious to us who fo not renounce Christ's teachings that cynics continually express belief in themselves and their own powers of sola interpretation rather than in Christ alone
576 posted on 01/09/2013 2:34:29 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Al Hitan
Your claim, however, is in opposition to the truth of Scripture.

there's plenty of this to go around.

577 posted on 01/09/2013 4:20:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
Where would God be without the church...well He would still be God, but you would have never heard of Christ, Mary and Joseph, Pilate, the Magi etc. etc. because it was through the Catholic church that this normal, human story was brought to you. You seem to think that this information, as holy as it is, would just somehow be there without someone to do the work to bring it to you. Thank God that the Catholic church was there to do it.

FOTFLOL!!!!!!

God did it and would have anyway without the Catholic church. The Catholic church is simply taking credit for it.

"Where would God be without the church..." ..... my foot...

578 posted on 01/09/2013 4:22:59 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Cronos
Nice self portrait!

If you like it so much; why did I have to post it for you?

579 posted on 01/09/2013 4:23:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law; boatbums
An appeal to authority is only effective when the authority is universally accepted. Presenting a Protestant academic as an authoritative source in contravention to Catholic teaching and expecting Catholics to accept it is a fools errand.

The authority of the Catholic church is not universally accepted.

580 posted on 01/09/2013 4:28:34 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Cronos
to turn your words on you...





581 posted on 01/09/2013 4:33:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
there's plenty of this to go around.

Indeed. In addition to your erroneous "proof" other examples can be found in the plethora of conflicting doctrines within Protestantism.

582 posted on 01/09/2013 4:36:12 AM PST by Al Hitan (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.)
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To: Elsie

Because it’s your self portrait.


583 posted on 01/09/2013 5:01:54 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Elsie

Jessie visited heaven and comforted Jesus!

Jesse Duplantis: "People told me, 'Well, they say, Jesus was poor.'  When was He poor?  I would like to know when He was poor.  Well, He was born in a stable.  Why?  Why was He born in a stable?  Because that short, deaf lady lost their reservation.  He couldn't get into the inn.  Think about that for a minute...And He had 12 full time people on His staff.  Some were married and He took care of them.  He had 70 part timers.  You don't gamble for rags Marcus."
Marcus Lamb: "Yeah."
Jesse Duplantis: "You don't gamble for rags.  You gamble for some clothes that cost.  Don't you?  He wanted a donkey that had never been rode.  As I said earlier, 'You might want a car that has never been drove.'
Marcus Lamb: "He had a full time treasurer on staff."
Jesse Duplantis: "That's right!  And stole for three years and the other guys didn't know about it."
Joni Lamb: "And wise men came to see Him."
Jesse Duplantis: "That's right!  I mean He wasn't three minutes on the ground and the three wise guys are looking for Him with what?  Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh.  Let me tell you something, this concept that Jesus was in poverty is totally wrong!"
(Jesse Duplantis, Marcus Lamb, and Joni Lamb, Daystar Fall, "Share-A-Thon," September 15, 2004)

584 posted on 01/09/2013 5:07:23 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Heart-Rest

Was Paul with the apostles when Jesus told them He would send the Holy Spirit that would “bring to their remembrance the things He taught? Wanna pick at more nits?


585 posted on 01/09/2013 5:09:53 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: NYer

I keep seeing this article popping up in the feed- and I have got to comment. Can’t hold it in anymore. :)

Jesus is the word of God. He is the daily bread and the manna. Jesus is the light of the world. Without Jesus, we do not get the comforter. We need the Holy Spirit to be born again, and to enter into fellowship with God, and to be made righteous enough to dwell in paradise with our Father.

I pray that all believers, take the time to read the Bible, to invite the Holy Spirit, and to pray.

If, as this article states, Christianity is based on the writings of Paul, then your God isn’t big enough.

Christianity is based on our own ability to have a personal relationship with the creator of Earth and Heaven.


586 posted on 01/09/2013 5:20:15 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Natural Law
Of course that’s what you have been taught. Catholic history is replete with evidence of what they do to anyone who disagrees with their dogma. It’s also a matter of history what they have done to the people they call a heretic.

Let’s put things in perspective here. The Catholic Church has been calling anyone who doesn’t agree with them heretics since its inception. Right here in this forum it’s a rather regular occurrence for Catholics to call anyone who doesn’t agree with the RCC dogma a heretic. It’s also a well known fact that the RCC has dogma that isn’t even in scripture nor is it supported in scripture. Anyone who has eyes to see understands that the Catholic Church controlled “religion” with an iron grip with dire consequences to anyone who dared disagree with them. And anyone who denies that the Catholic Church restrained anyone other than their indoctrinated leadership from access to scripture is simply blind to history.

Luther was called a heretic because after he translated the scriptures from Greek rather than rely on the erroneous Catholic translation into Latin he began to see error in RCC teaching and practice.

Excuses like “these were books that were altered” hold little weight since we have seen that anything that disagreed with Catholic dogma was considered heretical and attempts by the RCC to keep them out of the hands of the public were fierce and deadly. Luther and others who dared to attempt to understand the true intent of the writings of the apostles were threatened at least and often killed. To deny that the RCC restricted the availability of the public to have access to scripture falls on deaf ears with anyone who honestly reads or understands history.

587 posted on 01/09/2013 5:48:43 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; Natural Law
And it's also a matter of history of what the heretics taught and what those who left orthodoxy, what happened to their theories. Such as your theories, all of these died out, whether powerful like the Arians or Manichaeans or lesser. And now we see the Anglicans and Unitarians and other 1st and 2nd and 3rd generations dying out.

Don't you get it? These philosophies and yours die out, as they are built on sand, not solid bedrock, the solid bedrock of Christ, that orthodoxy is built on

588 posted on 01/09/2013 5:59:13 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: CynicalBear
I recall one Catholic poster claiming murder and torture was doing Christ's will and a purifying of the faith. Yet according to Catholic doctrine to justify such sins is to share in them.

What can one say in the face of such spiritual aridity.

589 posted on 01/09/2013 5:59:43 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Natural Law
>> What Jesus promised in John 14:26 was a Paraclete.<<

paraklétos
Short Definition: an advocate, comforter, helper, Paraclete

The Holy Spirit was sent as all those but the apostles were told that He would “bring to their remembrance”. No one else was told that but we also know that the “advocate, comforter, and helper were also given to each believer and not just the “magesterium” nor was the “magesterium” promised that He would “bring to their remembrance”.

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

590 posted on 01/09/2013 6:01:05 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Cronos

Yeah right. Give me a break. The use of the word priest by the Catholic Church is simply an attempt to inject a false impression.


591 posted on 01/09/2013 6:06:34 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Cronos
>> Sorry, the Bible contradicts what you are saying<<

No it doesn’t. I have been clear when using the word priest as it is used in the New Testament. I have stated over and over that there is no use of the word priest as it pertains to “leadership” in the New Testament church. The RCC using the word priest as it pertains to their leadership is dishonest not sanctioned by scripture.

>> during the Eucharist, Christ IS present as the High Priest<<

Christ is present as the High Priest 24/7/365 to a true believer.

I John 3:24: "Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit which He has given us."

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Trying to restrict the presence of Christ to a single place and time is unscriptural and dishonest.

>>NOTE: the English term "priest" is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder)<<

Nice try but I’ll stay with the intent of the language the apostles used and not Etymologies.

592 posted on 01/09/2013 6:17:36 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Cronos
Was it the Holy Spirit that inspired the writing of scripture or not? Were we as individuals given the Holy Spirit as an advocate, comforter, and helper or not?

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

Paul commended the Bereans for “searching the scriptures daily to see if these things be true”. It was rather clear that he understood that the scriptures were plain enough that the Bereans and we can easily ascertain whether what those who would propose to “teach” is true to scripture or not.

Yet Catholics on a daily basis it seems excoriate those who would take Paul who was inspired by the Holy Spirit at his word.

593 posted on 01/09/2013 6:26:19 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Cronos
>> These philosophies and yours die out, as they are built on sand, not solid bedrock, the solid bedrock of Christ, that orthodoxy is built on<<

Now that there is funny I don’t care who ya are when coming from a Catholic. Catholic structure is built on the rock Peter as we are daily told.

594 posted on 01/09/2013 6:29:36 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Whatever you want to bicker about. At the end, the truth still hurts ya, eh? Your philosophy is doomed to failure like the philosophy of Mani, of Arius, etc. — because it’s not from God.


595 posted on 01/09/2013 6:38:27 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: CynicalBear
It’s obvious to us who do not renounce Christ's teachings that cynics continually express belief in themselves and their own powers of sola interpretation rather than in Christ alone

your philosophy is more in line with that of Arius or Marcion, so no, it's not inspired by the Holy Spirit

596 posted on 01/09/2013 6:40:55 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
Your carrying the dispute from thread to thread is making the discussion "about" the other poster and yourself. It is "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

597 posted on 01/09/2013 6:41:55 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Cronos
>>Your philosophy is doomed to failure like the philosophy of Mani, of Arius, etc. — because it’s not from God.<<

Scripture is not from God? That is after all my source of truth rather than some made up magisterium. The writings of the Holy Spirit through the authors of scripture have endured much longer than then the so called magisterium and precede it by thousands of years.

598 posted on 01/09/2013 6:45:12 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
And context, context, context, read the preceeding and following lines
10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue.
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.
So, they did rely on a man's word initially -- two men, Paul and Silas who spread the Good News amongs them. Then they checked the OT to see if the references to the Christ were correct. And also, the Berean Church included GREEKS -- who wouldn't have read the scriptures as they were not of Jewish origin, they took the Gospel for what Paul and Silas preached, tradition alone, not scripture.

Furthermore, note what happened before -- in Thessalonia. There, "For three weeks he [Paul] reasoned with them from the Scriptures" --> THESE THESALLONIANS were cynical personal interpretation folks who disagreed with Paul and Silas' interpretation of scriptures (the OT) on the Christ.

Remember, both the Thesalonians in the passages before this and the Bereans were Jews who studied the OT for the references of Jesus being the Christ. Why did they study this? because of the ORAL TRADITION that Paul and Silas brought, claiming Jesus Christ was the Son of God.

The Thesalonians rejected this as "it weren't in scripture, cynical personal interpretation", while the Bereans accepted Holy Tradition, i.e. ORAL teaching by Paul and Silas.

if anything, the tale of the Bereans shows the error of cynical personal interpretation.

Remember, the Bereans AND Thessalonians had the Septuagint and nothing from the NT.

The Thessalonians stuck to cynical personal interpretation and rejected the oral teachings of Paul and Silas.

The Bereans did NOT stick to cynical personal interpretation and listened to Paul and Silas. They referred to scripture but accepted the ORAL teachings of Paul and Silas. And they believed.

This is an utter refutation of cynical personal interpretation.
599 posted on 01/09/2013 6:45:48 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

Well, how about you show us from the New Testament where the words strictly translated priest apply to the leadership of the New Testament church. Wouldn’t that be a very easy task if it were true?


600 posted on 01/09/2013 6:48:36 AM PST by CynicalBear
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