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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: CynicalBear
I have been clear when using the word priest as it is used in the New Testament.

And you are sticking to English -- the English term "priest" is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder) -- these have the responsibility of teaching, governing, and providing the sacraments in a given congregation (1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15).

The Elder (Presbuteros -- in english "priest", not hierus) is given the role of leadership

Christ is present during the Eucharist, thanks for acknowledging the True presence of Christ in the Eucharist, as do our Lutheran brethren

601 posted on 01/09/2013 6:48:40 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: CynicalBear

“is simply an attempt to inject a false impression.” - yes, your post is doing that — the English term “priest” is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder) — these have the responsibility of teaching, governing, and providing the sacraments in a given congregation (1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15).


602 posted on 01/09/2013 6:49:11 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: CynicalBear
CB: Trying to restrict the presence of Christ to a single place and time is unscriptural and dishonest. -- good point, that's why the Eucharist is a participation of Christ's sacrifice which is for all eternity

The High Priest, Jesus Christ is the High Priest and the one-time Sacrifice -- note, this is a participation in the One-Time sacrifice famously captured by Van Eyck in the 14th century painting

We are participating in Christ's one-time sacrifice which as seen in the words of the Apocalypse of St. John of Patmos, as seen in Heaven is the Lamb standing proudly with the blood of Christ in the Eucharist

603 posted on 01/09/2013 6:53:41 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

MAry visited FAtima and comforted....


604 posted on 01/09/2013 6:57:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
Catholic history is replete with evidence of what they do to anyone who disagrees with their dogma.

Yup; they'll befuddle them...

605 posted on 01/09/2013 6:58:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
These philosophies and yours die out, as they are built on sand, not solid bedrock, the solid bedrock of Christ, that orthodoxy is built on

See there; you DO know that PETER was not the foundation!

606 posted on 01/09/2013 6:59:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos

Bottom line. The Bereans checked with scripture to see if even what Paul and Silas taught was true. We DO have the writings of the apostles which even the Catholics believe to be scripture. We also have the same Spirit so will keep “searching the scriptures daily to see if what they teach is true”. Doing that we can easily find the RCC in error.


607 posted on 01/09/2013 7:03:03 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Cronos
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


608 posted on 01/09/2013 7:03:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos

It should be easy for you to show from the New Testament the strict use of the Greek word for priest applied to the New Testament church leadership if it’s true. How about it?


609 posted on 01/09/2013 7:04:14 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Cronos

Catholics may rely on pictures as scripture. I don’t.


610 posted on 01/09/2013 7:04:32 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Cronos

ACTS 15


611 posted on 01/09/2013 7:04:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Then: Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”


Now: Certain people came down from ROME to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are baptised, according to the custom taught by PETER, you cannot be saved.”

612 posted on 01/09/2013 7:07:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
>> Yup; they'll befuddle them...<<

LOL Is that what it’s called? I suppose since the Catholic Church has declared that the Muslims serve the same god as Catholics the Muslims now “befuddle” infidels? Infedels, heretics. I suppose it's all the same.

613 posted on 01/09/2013 7:21:01 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
Nice try but I’ll stay with the intent of the language the apostles used

And the intent of the language that the apostles used is what's in the Apostolic Church and has been since the time of the Early Christians

it's rather funny for a johnny-come-lately to come along 2000 years later and thing he/she knows something that contradicts 2000 years. yeah, right....

very "progressive" of ya!

615 posted on 01/09/2013 7:22:59 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Iscool
And it was said in 'jest'

you mean like the claims to be Baptist, then to be a Pentecostal, then Modalist -- oh, yeah, when the Modalist "phase" was on, the mask slipped with a few "Jesus is just a prophet" statements

Tell us, what's the new phase this time?

616 posted on 01/09/2013 7:26:46 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Elsie
you'd have us believe that when Christ said, "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church" the two clauses had nothing to do with each other, so the burden is on you to say why Christ included the first clause.

Matthew 16:13-18

13. When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
14. They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15. "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
16. Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17. Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
18. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
19. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

It's not that the two CLAUSES are linked, but that two VERSES are.

That verses 17 and 19 are about Peter STILL doesn't explain why Christ said, "And I tell you that you are Peter". Did He think Peter had forgotten his name?

617 posted on 01/09/2013 7:26:46 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Elsie
Elsie: Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”

Good for you, next will you be preaching " And the prophet J. Smith came with golden plates"?

618 posted on 01/09/2013 7:27:51 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: editor-surveyor
you'd have us believe that when Christ said, "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church" the two clauses had nothing to do with each other, so the burden is on you to say why Christ included the first clause.

If you get away from the Greek translations that were prepared by the Nicolaitans, and read it from a direct translation from the original Hebrew to English, you can see that he told Peter that he was called a hard pebble, then the true meaning of the verse comes to light, and it is obvious that he who had been called “The Rock” for 1500 years was the head of the church.

I notice you didn't answer my question. Why is that?

I don’t answer agitprop.

A question is "agitprop"? What a cowardly evasion.

619 posted on 01/09/2013 7:28:40 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Elsie; CynicalBear
Elsie: Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”

Remember that those preaching this were strictly sticking to the scripture in terms of what should be done

They didn't follow the Apostolic Tradition as first experienced by Peter on the clean and unclean and then expanded by Paul about no need for circumcision

So these folks from Judea talking sola scriptura were akin to your philosophies.

620 posted on 01/09/2013 7:31:42 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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