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Unpaid Mormon Leaders Get a Pretty Sweet Deal [So-called 'unpaid' bishops get $100,000 in benefits!]
Mormon Coffee ^ | Jan. 31, 2013 | Sharon Lindblum

Posted on 01/31/2013 5:05:06 PM PST by Colofornian

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To: ozzymandus; Osage Orange; All
Bigotry towards Mormons is the same as bigotry towards Catholics, Jews, or any other religion. And no, I’m not a Mormon. I’m nominally a Christian, but not a bible-beating bigot like some posters here.

Show us then a single post of yours on another FR thread where you've gone to bat for the literally TENS OF THOUSANDS of negative comments about Islam/Muslims?

Go ahead. Show us.

Give us a link.

Are you -- in the eyes of ALL FREEPERs -- going to start labeling those who have repeatedly commented negatively on Islam "bigots?"

Are you consistent? Or religiously hypocritical?

What about Satanists? Do you go to bat for them, too, when negative comments about Satanism are issued on FR?

How about Scientology?

Is every negative comment about ANY "religion" "bigoted" in your eyes?

What about the apostle Paul in Acts 20 who referenced "wolves" who were about to come in and steal sheep?

If/when you get to heaven, will you presume to lecture him on that matter?

What about when Jesus referenced the Pharisees as "children of the devil" in John 8; or when he called them whitewashed sepulcres -- tombstones -- in Matthew 23? He also referenced them in their proselytizing efforts as attempting to make others "twice the son of hell."

Are you going to start badgering Jesus, too, over these comments he made?

I’m nominally a Christian...

It seems this is precisely the problem: Apparently you don't even know some of the things uttered by the divine-man you claim to follow...

41 posted on 01/31/2013 6:40:27 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

OK, bigots like you have made me an agnostic. Happy?


42 posted on 01/31/2013 6:53:56 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

What “view” do I think is superior? I have not espoused any view that I’m aware of.


43 posted on 01/31/2013 6:57:02 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

I am sorry, ozzy, it is not possible to be a “nominal Christian”.
You are either a Christian or you are not, however your statement explains much.


44 posted on 01/31/2013 7:02:51 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ozzymandus

No they lost because they were rhinos.


45 posted on 01/31/2013 7:04:55 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ozzymandus

Sure you did!

You condemned someone else’s ideas- demonstrating that you believe your view is superior- even worse, that you are so intolerant that you had to publicly condemn his ideas.

Bigotry is the belief that your view is superior, and an intolerance of competing beliefs. I don’t condemn you for your bigotry though. I accept you as you are.

Really ironic, since you accused him of bigotry.


46 posted on 01/31/2013 7:10:55 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: svcw

Sorry, I didn’t know you were the judge of who is a Christian. Forgive me, God. When I said I was a nominal Christian, I meant that my parents made me attend Sunday School. I haven’t been back to church since, but I haven’t joined any other religion. If that doesn’t fit your definition, that’s OK too.


47 posted on 01/31/2013 7:17:20 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I condemned bigotry. I realize this is not popular with bigots. I don’t think you know what bigotry and irony are.


48 posted on 01/31/2013 7:23:37 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Did the fact that Obama won stop the heresies of the Mormon Church?

Sometimes there are other battles, battles that are more important and indeed may well be the cause of the lesser ones.

Obama wasn’t happenstance...


49 posted on 01/31/2013 7:24:02 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ozzymandus

Oh, I see.
Church just for your edification does not make you a Christian.
I stand by my statement, you are either a Christian or you are not.
Being a nominal Christian would be no different than being nominally pregnant.


50 posted on 01/31/2013 7:24:14 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ozzymandus

The most bigoted seem to always be the ones who yell bigot first.

Of course all humans are bigots, it is our very nature. The fact so much effort is being made to eradicate all bigotry is a fools errand. The very fact one does that is bigotry itself.


51 posted on 01/31/2013 7:29:24 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: WilliamRobert

You have the floor, would you like to rebut?

You would be one of the few...


52 posted on 01/31/2013 7:31:52 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: svcw

Whatever. You don’t consider me to be a Christian. I can live with that. I will leave you to enjoy your bigotry.


53 posted on 01/31/2013 7:32:06 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Actually AMPU nailed it dead on. But then sometimes logic is a wasted effort...


54 posted on 01/31/2013 7:37:18 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

I agree about the fool’s errand. Apparently everything is bigotry except attacking Mormons. I’m done here. It’s like talking to a box of rocks.


55 posted on 01/31/2013 7:38:14 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

I admit its bigotry. I am bigoted agains those who corrupt my Saviors message. I am also bigoted against leftist, communists, democrats Muslims and anyone else who firecly wants to alter what is good and true in the world as well as those who support such activites and groups.

I assume as a poster on FR you love and agree with democrats...

Wait, you don’t?

Bigot.

See its so easy.


56 posted on 01/31/2013 7:47:19 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ozzymandus

No, you judged someone else’s religious belief that differed from yours - and were quite intolerant that he should dare express his view publicly.

Bigotry, pure and clear as day. You believe you have the right to correct him, as seen in your post, because you know better than he what he should not believe or express.

But as I wrote, I accept you as you are. We all have shortcomings. Me too. I guess it’s why we all need a Savior. We fall short.


57 posted on 01/31/2013 7:53:43 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Colofornian

Boy did my family miss out. My son-in-law has been a Mormon bishop twice- never got a dime. And yes he did and does pay a full tithe on his income. I think this time you have fallen over the edge in your lack of knowledge and overall stupidity and hatred.


58 posted on 01/31/2013 8:30:59 PM PST by handmade
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To: ozzymandus; All
The Religion Forum has its own guidelines because the subject matter is sensitive and flame wars easily ignite. Click on my profile page to read all of them.

The main guideline is simply this:

"Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal."

Reading the mind of another Freeper ("you wanted") is a form of "making it personal."

Accusing another Freeper of being a bigot is also mind reading and therefore "making it personal."

And changing the subject of thread over such things makes the thread "about" you and/or other individual Freepers. That also is a form of "making it personal."

This thread is an example why ad hominems are not tolerable in religious debate.

All of you: Discuss the message - not the messenger.

59 posted on 01/31/2013 8:38:34 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: ozzymandus

I did not say you were not a Christian, I said going to church does not make you a Christian.
And I also said you are a Christian or you are not.
Only God knows whether you are Saved or not, it is one judgement I am not permitted.


60 posted on 01/31/2013 9:02:43 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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