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LA Archbishop Relieves Retired Cardinal of Duties [Mahony, sex abuse fallout]
Yahoo News ^ | 2/1/13 | Gillian Flaccus

Posted on 02/01/2013 7:10:16 AM PST by marshmallow

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1 posted on 02/01/2013 7:10:21 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

30 years too late.


2 posted on 02/01/2013 7:18:04 AM PST by steve8714 (We miss you, Stan.)
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To: steve8714

30 years late, but never TOO late.


3 posted on 02/01/2013 7:30:49 AM PST by O6ret
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To: marshmallow

“In one instance, a draft of a plan with Mahony’s name on it calls for sending a molester priest to his native Spain for a minimum of seven years, paying him $400 a month and offering health insurance. In return, the cardinal would agree to write the Vatican and ask them to cancel his excommunication.”

In return?!? Why would you be bargaining with molesters in the first place? Besides, both the compensation package and the letter are for the benefit of the molester, meaning there is no quid pro quo, so what is this “in return” for?


4 posted on 02/01/2013 7:31:38 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: O6ret

It is about 250 years too late to turn him over to the secular arm. Say what you like about the Spanish Inquisition—it would have gotten to the bottom of this.


5 posted on 02/01/2013 7:39:51 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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6 posted on 02/01/2013 7:40:45 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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Cardinal Roger Mahony, who retired with a tainted career after dodging criminal charges over how he handled pedophile priests, was stripped of duties by his successor as a judge ordered confidential church personnel files released. The unprecedented move by Archbishop Jose Gomez came less than two weeks after other long-secret priest personnel records showed how Mahony worked with top aides to protect the Roman Catholic church from the engulfing scandal.
[Faithful Departed author Philip] Lawler points out that while less than five percent of American priests have been accused of sexual abuse, some two-thirds of our bishops were apparently complicit in cover-ups. The real scandal isn't the sick excesses of a few dozen pedophiles, or even the hundreds of priests who had affairs with teenage boys -- the bulk of abuse cases. No, according to Lawler, it is the malfeasance of wealthy, powerful, and evidently worldly men who fill the thrones -- but not the shoes -- of the apostles. In case after case, we read in their correspondence, in the records of their soulless, bureaucratic responses to victims of psychic torture and spiritual betrayal, these bishops' prime concern was to save the infrastructure, the bricks and mortar and mortgages. Ironically, their lack of a supernatural concern for souls is precisely what cost them so much money in the end.
-- from the thread Kneeling Before the World

"The Dublin Archdiocese's preoccupations in dealing with cases of child sexual abuse, at least until the mid-1990s, were the maintenance of secrecy, the avoidance of scandal, the protection of the reputation of the church and the preservation of its assets," said the report. "All other considerations, including the welfare of children and justice for victims, were subordinated to these priorities. The archdiocese did not implement its own canon law rules and did its best to avoid any application of the law of the state"....
-- from the thread Pope calls Irish church leaders to Vatican to discuss abuse report

If the InsideCatholic.com blog can be believed, two-thirds of all American bishops were complicit in covering up the immoral and illegal actions of 4% or fewer Catholic clergymen. All we can say with certainty is that 96+% - 105,302 Catholic clergymen - were never accused, yet 95 percent of all Catholic dioceses in the United States were impacted negatively. The numbers are more damning for the bishops then they are for the priests.
.... Alex Murphy, Sept. 29, 2009

7 posted on 02/01/2013 7:41:12 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: marshmallow

You’ve got to love Archbishop Gomez. Slowly and surely he will clean up the mess in LA. He’s a quiet, yet thorough, person. I bet a lot of cleaning house has been going on — this just got the media’s attention.


9 posted on 02/01/2013 7:44:44 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
And he became a citizen the right way so has set the example for all immigrants to follow. He studied and took the test!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%c3%a9_Horacio_G%c3%b3mez#Early_life_and_education.
 
[8] He became a U.S. citizen in 1995.[3]

10 posted on 02/01/2013 7:46:55 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
Funny how all the offenders in the pedophile-protecting scandal are libs, ain't it?

That's a rhetorical question.

11 posted on 02/01/2013 7:58:35 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: marshmallow

**Some church critics said Gomez’s actions, particularly against Mahony, amounted to a slap on the wrist as long as he remained a cardinal and a member of the powerful Vatican body that elects the Pope.**

I was wondering he Mahony would still be a member of the College of Cardinals.


12 posted on 02/01/2013 8:04:34 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

Wow! Over a thousand comments at the site!


13 posted on 02/01/2013 8:05:47 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

Mahony was also a big supporter of Illegal Alien Amnesty....so wonder how many illegal alien youths were pedophiled? Probably never know....but probably a big reason why Mahony supported Illegal Alienism


14 posted on 02/01/2013 8:09:13 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: marshmallow

He should be in jail.


15 posted on 02/01/2013 8:25:10 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: SeminoleCounty; Salvation
Mahony was also a big supporter of Illegal Alien Amnesty....

So is his replacement, Archbishop José Gómez:
Latino Bishops: Undocumented Immigrants Are Not Criminals [USCCB / Archbishop José Gómez]
Law threatens Church’s ministry [official statement by Catholic Archbishop Jose Gomez]
USCCB backs Alabama bishops’ efforts to reverse immigration law [Archbishop Gomez statement]
USCCB campaign urges parishes to pray, preach on behalf of DREAM Act
Defeat of DREAM Act only a temporary setback, says Archbishop Gomez
President's immigration reform speech a good sign,says US Conference Catholic Bishops migration dir
New L.A. Archbishop...Discusses Immigration & Hispanics In Church
Immigration Integration [Catholic Bishops Advocate for Humane Treatment of Illegal Immigrants]
Catholic bishop calls for new thinking on illegal immigration
How to Train Catholic Citizens to Elect Morally-Perverted Catholic Politicians
US Catholic Latino leaders meet with Vatican officials, discuss ‘Hispanic reality’
Bishops to the Left of Senate Dems on Immigration
Praying for immigration reform [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Los Angeles, CA]
Jose Gomez, champion of illegal immigrants [2005 post]

You’ve got to love Archbishop Gomez.

That's the policy, or so I'm told.

16 posted on 02/01/2013 8:36:04 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: marshmallow

At least there is no Catholic bashing going on this thread unlike other threads.


17 posted on 02/01/2013 9:35:21 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Salvation

At least he is doing the needed house cleaning.


18 posted on 02/01/2013 9:37:27 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Give it time ...

Rule One: "Rome" is the locus of all evil in the universe.

Rule Two: In case of doubt, see Rule One.

Conclusion: "Rome" must be destroyed. All else (even the truth) is irrelevant.

There are people on this forum whose behaviour can be understood by assuming that their beliefs are as outlined above. I cannot read their minds; I do not know what they think, or how they are motivated. BUT ... if I assume that they believe "Rule One", "Rule Two" and "Conclusion" above ... I find their behaviour to be explicable and predictable.

19 posted on 02/01/2013 9:41:43 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

....And they forget that what took place in regards to child sex abuse took place in other places of worship and even in the schools as well.


20 posted on 02/01/2013 9:51:52 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Salvation

Even if Archbishop Gomez successfully petitioned to have Mahony laicized, the biretta is beyond his reach. (The last lay cardinal was sometime in the 19th century, but it is a possibility).


21 posted on 02/01/2013 9:54:38 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Biggirl
As stated, the truth is irrelevant.

They're no different from the secular leftists in Big Media ... The Agenda (whatever it may be, in this case destroying "Rome") trumps all. Truth, completeness, context ... all are irrelevant. Even when they do accidentally publish something true, it is invariably a half truth or a distortion ... and one must always be on guard for outright falsehoods when reading any of their material.

22 posted on 02/01/2013 9:54:57 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

This is the thread in question.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2984186/posts


23 posted on 02/01/2013 10:04:46 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow

thanks for posting this. Godspeed to Archbishop Gomez.


24 posted on 02/01/2013 10:04:58 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You got that right, people with agendas.


25 posted on 02/01/2013 10:06:02 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
I'm aware ...

There's really very little to say, here.

Mahony should have been sacked a long time ago. He's a destroyer, and apparently a pervert. Or at least a pervert-enabler. And, once again, the unspeakable truth.

We had a sexual abuse problem because malfeasant bishops deliberately, knowingly admitted homosexual perverts to the seminaries and bishops deliberately, knowingly ordained homosexual perverts to the presbyterate. The malfeasant bishops who did this, did it in spite of clear direction from the Pope that homosexual perverts were to be excluded from the clergy.

ANY organization, particularly one that deals extensively with children, that admits homosexual perverts to its leadership will have serious problems.

26 posted on 02/01/2013 10:19:29 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Mahony should have been REMOVED years ago. Having said that, the focus should be on those who did or allowed those who attacked children, not attack the Church as a whole, but focus on removing those who either did or enabled.


27 posted on 02/01/2013 10:34:17 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Biggirl

I’ve read some speculation that Mahony would not have gone quietly into this good night, and keeping him on was a way of avoiding schism. Sending someone in after he has retired and does not have the energy or the remaining time to become a rallying point and having them unearth whatever was present to allow him to die with the reputation he deserves is arguably a better strategy. It isn’t the strategy that I would have used—but I’m not the Pope, and there is a reason for that.

I would have had him burnt at the stake some years ago, but that is just me.


28 posted on 02/01/2013 12:29:07 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Biggirl
...the focus should be on those who did or allowed those who attacked children, not attack the Church as a whole, but focus on removing those who either did or enabled.

So not the whole - just two-thirds.

29 posted on 02/01/2013 12:29:22 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Alex Murphy

Two-thirds at the time—but how many of those presently in place? To quote my bishop, there is a reason people die. Those going in will make their own mistakes, but are less likely to repeat the mistakes of their predecessors.


30 posted on 02/01/2013 12:46:01 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: ArrogantBustard
They're no different from the secular leftists in Big Media ... The Agenda (whatever it may be, in this case destroying "Rome") trumps all."
They're one and the same thing which is obvious from the way the folks here attacking the Catholic Church always, without fail, pick up whatever "crisis" the fascist and leftist media are using to attack our rights with and try to weave that crisis into their attacks on the Church.

Look through a few posts at the thread in question and you'll see what I mean. They work here as little fry, if they do well and get noticed, they advance to being attack dogs in blogs that spread their name around and let them get known, then they advance to some low level paying propaganda spot and from there the it's onward and upward for them.

It's no accident that when the mainstream media are comparing those who defend the Second Amendment to Nazis that lies about the Catholic Church being tied to Nazis show up at exactly the same time. That's the meme of the month and so it's everywhere fifth columnists spew their lies. Next month, it'll be something else but the same comparison and the same sorts of lies will show up here in attacks on the Catholic Church at the same time they show up in democrat loving media about whoever else is the primary target for the fascists at that time.

31 posted on 02/01/2013 12:54:25 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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....And they forget that what took place in regards to child sex abuse took place in other places of worship and even in the schools as well.

Because, "Everyone rapes children" is such a great excuse.
32 posted on 02/01/2013 1:23:24 PM PST by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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Because, "Everyone rapes children" is such a great excuse.

Is that what you believe? I would never have accused even you of believing such a thing ... but if that's what you believe ...

well ...

Thanks for telling us.

33 posted on 02/01/2013 1:28:59 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Biggirl
..And they forget that what took place in regards to child sex abuse took place in other places of worship and even in the schools as well.

I don't believe that they forget ... any more than the secular leftists in Big Media and Big Government 'forget' what the Second Amendment or First Amendment mean, or 'forget' that a 'fetus' is in fact a live human person, or ...

It's just that mentioning such inconvenient facts doesn't promote their agenda.

34 posted on 02/01/2013 1:32:42 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Biggirl
Oh yes ... there also appears to be a systematic effort, among some folks, to hide the homosexual aspect many institutional sexual abuse problems.

I'm not sure why some people want to provide top cover for militant homosexuals ...

But there it is.

35 posted on 02/01/2013 1:36:00 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: TSgt

Your opinion, not mine.


36 posted on 02/01/2013 2:43:03 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You hit it right on the nail, this is all agenda driven.


37 posted on 02/01/2013 2:45:13 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Salvation

It seems that there is A LOT of Catholic bashing going on.


38 posted on 02/01/2013 2:48:45 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Alex Murphy

I don’t think so. You are making judgments that are leftist media like, aren’t you?


39 posted on 02/01/2013 6:48:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hieronymus; NYer

Father Z speculates on that in the thread (Catholic Caucus) that NYer posted.


40 posted on 02/01/2013 6:49:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I don’t think so. You are making judgments that are leftist media like, aren’t you?

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt!

41 posted on 02/02/2013 7:54:07 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...

ping


42 posted on 02/02/2013 8:23:25 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: marshmallow
"It's quite extraordinary. I don't think anything like this has happened before," Reese said. "It's showing that there are consequences now to mismanaging the sex abuse crisis."

Consequences for sex abuse is extraordinary within the Catholic church.

Consequences..... What a novel concept.

What an indictment of the Catholic church.

43 posted on 02/02/2013 8:26:14 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Biggirl
....And they forget that what took place in regards to child sex abuse took place in other places of worship and even in the schools as well.

Nobody forgets that. The issue has never been that abuse happened because everyone knows that abuse happens. Nobody can prevent someone determined to abuse from abusing. They will find a way. That is recognized.

What the problem is is what this article admits to; the mismanaging of the abuse.

The world at least, knows how to deal with homosexual rapists of children.

It's called pressing charges, prosecuting them, and sending them to jail for a VERY long time, indefinitely at the least.

It's too bad the RCC didn't have the integrity to address the issue properly until the negative publicity from the world forced them to act.

45 posted on 02/02/2013 8:34:58 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Biggirl

And they DESERVE it for , by their own admission, mismanaging the sexual abuse they KNEW was going on under their noses.

Those who covered it up were guilty of standing guard outside the door, allowing the rape to go on unhindered.

They were WRONG!!!!!

The *bashing* is well deserved. As it would be for ANYONE who covered up such reprehensible activity.

46 posted on 02/02/2013 8:38:39 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"It's quite extraordinary. I don't think anything like this has happened before," Reese said. "It's showing that there are consequences now to mismanaging the sex abuse crisis."

So we have concurrence that it was mismanaged. And concurrence that there were no consequences placed on the bishops, archbishops, and cardinals before now.

47 posted on 02/02/2013 8:43:48 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Alex Murphy

What’s going on on this thread with the RC’s reactions is part of the problem within the Catholic church.

All the hand wringing on how the RCC is being *bashed* and those criticizing the situation have an agenda. Deflection all over the place and downplaying what this thread is all about.

How blinded can someone be to strain at a gnat (alleged Catholic *bashing) and swallow a camel (downplaying the abuse and mismanagement of it)?


48 posted on 02/02/2013 8:48:36 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

But wait, that never happened in the Catholic Churches. Nobody covered up did they? /sarc


49 posted on 02/02/2013 9:24:43 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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To: metmom

“....And they forget that what took place in regards to child sex abuse took place in other places of worship and even in the schools as well.
Nobody forgets that. The issue has never been that abuse happened because everyone knows that abuse happens. Nobody can prevent someone determined to abuse from abusing. They will find a way. That is recognized.

What the problem is is what this article admits to; the mismanaging of the abuse.

The world at least, knows how to deal with homosexual rapists of children.

It’s called pressing charges, prosecuting them, and sending them to jail for a VERY long time, indefinitely at the least.

It’s too bad the RCC didn’t have the integrity to address the issue properly until the negative publicity from the world forced them to act. “

My position that I take is that, while those priests who abused children/young people MUST BE REMOVED AND PUNISHED as well as those who have ENABLED the abuse to take place in the first place.

Also at the smae time, a CRHISTIAN ROMAN CATHOLIC, I will not tolerate attacks being made against the rest of my Christian faith community just because of the horrilbe, horrible wrongs of a few.


50 posted on 02/02/2013 10:40:46 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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