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To: HarleyD

Thanks for posting this.

A few comments:

1. This source proves the exact opposite of your original claim. We do NOT believe in changing the scriptures nor the faith to meet contemporary needs. Did I misunderstand your original claim?

2. We do NOT support Pelagius. The idea that one can come to God on their own apart from the work of the Spirit is heresy.

3. We do NOT teach salvation by works. We do teach that works are necessary for the working of salvation in us because salvation is understood as the transformation (by Grace) of the soul rather than an imputed state. Good works are NOT! meritorious. It’s all by grace.

4. It is true that we do not consider Augustine a saint. We refer to him as blessed Augustine. We do however believe that a *consensus* of fathers is necessary to define the faith, not following one man.


34 posted on 02/10/2013 2:47:22 PM PST by newberger (Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men in whom there is no salvation.)
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To: newberger
1. T...We do NOT believe in changing the scriptures nor the faith to meet contemporary needs. Did I misunderstand your original claim?

We might be talking pass each other. Did you noticed the post above yours? (#33 I believe)

2. We do NOT support Pelagius.

True the Orthodox do not support Pelagius. They do support John Cassian who was a student of Pelagius. Please note this from Orthodox Wiki:

It should be noted, as you mentioned in #4, John Cassian is considered a saint in the Orthodox Church while Augustine is not. For good reason.

We do NOT teach salvation by works. We do teach that works are necessary for the working of salvation in us because salvation is understood as the transformation (by Grace) of the soul rather than an imputed state.

I think that is a fair and appreciated clarification. But if works are necessary for salvation, then isn't one saved by their works?

35 posted on 02/10/2013 6:19:57 PM PST by HarleyD
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