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Pope’s Possible Successor Promotes Marxist for Sainthood
Accuracy in Media ^ | February 11, 2013 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 02/11/2013 8:25:30 PM PST by ubipetrusest

...Cardinal Timothy Dolan, reported to be in the running to replace Pope Benedict XVI as the head of the Roman Catholic Church, is usually described as a “conservative” because he has strongly criticized President Obama’s attacks on religious liberty and federal intrusions into church affairs. But Dolan is also the leader of the campaign to promote Marxist Dorothy Day for Sainthood.

One report asks, “Could Timothy Dolan Become The First American Pope?” Dolan, president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB,) is considered the voice of U.S. Catholicism.

But Carol Byrne, author of "The Catholic Worker Movement (1933-1980): A Critical Analysis," says Dolan manipulated a vote by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops last November to move forward with the canonization of Dorothy Day....

In a letter obtained by this journalist, Virginia State Senator Richard H. “Dick” Black was so disgusted by the push for sainthood for Dorothy Day that he told the Pope on January 7, 2013, that he was “appalled” that “a woman of such loathsome character” would be considered for sainthood.

Black, a retired Marine Corps colonel, noted that “Vatican archives are filled with reports of Christians martyred under the regimes that Dorothy Day supported. I am revolted by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops’ support for the canonization of a woman whose views supported the violent extermination of Christians throughout the world. I ask that these matters be carefully weighed so that the Holy See will not be inadvertently misled when considering the canonization of Dorothy Day.”

As a Marine pilot, Black fought the communists. He flew 269 combat missions in Vietnam and was wounded during fierce ground fighting with the 1st Marine Regiment.

“I am particularly concerned about her support for Ho Chi Minh,” Black said in his letter.

(Excerpt) Read more at aim.org ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: carolbyrne; dickblack; dorothyday; pope; religiousleft; richardhblack; timothydolan; vageneralassembly
In his letter, Senator Black also notes Day's "favorable writings regarding Lenin, Castro, Mao, and Ho Chi Minh. As you well know, each of the above dictators ordered the execution of Catholic priests among the millions of other Christians murdered by these regimes.” Kincaid also cites author Carol Byrne's documented research confirming that Day “supported the policies of hostile foreign powers operating ... against her own country, the USA.... Nor could she in principle bring herself to condemn the social and economic ideals of Marxism.” Still, Cardinal Dolan remains devoted to Day and, in the words of the "New York Times," has "embraced" her cause with striking zeal."
1 posted on 02/11/2013 8:25:43 PM PST by ubipetrusest
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To: ubipetrusest

There is zero chance that Dolan will be Pope. From Benedict to Dolan.. no.


2 posted on 02/11/2013 8:29:30 PM PST by JFoobar
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To: ubipetrusest

I remember seeing somewhere a bookie had the odds of Dolan becoming Pope as twice as much as an American being selected as Pope.

Of course, Cardinal Martini had the odds last time too, and he walked out the same as he entered.


3 posted on 02/11/2013 8:32:02 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: JFoobar

True- no way, no how.


4 posted on 02/11/2013 8:32:58 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: ubipetrusest

Speculation.


5 posted on 02/11/2013 8:42:56 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ubipetrusest

Nonsense. Dolan is not in the running for anything


6 posted on 02/11/2013 8:43:47 PM PST by Nifster
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To: ubipetrusest

The College of Cardinals ain’t about to go slumming!


7 posted on 02/11/2013 8:45:50 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: ubipetrusest
That would be more like the Pope's impossible successor.
8 posted on 02/11/2013 8:47:07 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: ubipetrusest

I can’t imagine the Vatican looking to the US for the next Pope. This country has wayyy too many morality issues.


9 posted on 02/11/2013 9:01:56 PM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: ubipetrusest

Dorothy Day was *not* a Marxist. She was a Distributist - an economic view championed by G K Chesterton and Hillaire Belloc - hardly Marxists.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 9:14:41 PM PST by newberger (Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men in whom there is no salvation.)
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To: JFoobar

I surely pray you are correct. There are many things I do not *like* about Cardinal Dolan.

At this point, The Church needs a true conservative Pope who will be hardline—and unequivocally denounce Marxism/Socialism/homosexuality loudly-—like it did before Vatican II. Those who elevate such evil ideology or allow it to pervade culture without LOUD condemnation is putting a seal of approval on the behavior.

Marxism, which includes sexual perversions, is the most insidious ideology which uses people as a “means to an end” and is destroying the worldview of children. You can not be a Christian and a Marxist. They are exclusive. There are Marxists in the clergy who have to be weeded out. It is unacceptable.

Until Vatican II, Socialism/Communism was strongly and regularly condemned and criticized—as was Freemasonry and Secret Societies and Homosexuality. Not so much anymore and people *think* they are all OK because it gets a pass-—or worse, Catholic money goes to promote organizations which support Marxist policy or abortions or “Human” rights (homosexuality) or “social justice”(Marxism). It blurs good and evil (intentionally).

After all, Catholics put a Marxist in the White House and Marxists like Ted Kennedy in the Senate. It is because of the corruption of Catholic Theology by the Bishops in the US and Europe that refuses to educate Catholics on Sin, like prior to Vatican II. (They won’t be “popular” if they preach about contraception evil and sexual sin or evils of welfare states).

Time the Church got some you-know-what and quit caring about “what people will think”. They have to hit hard with the TRUTH! It is all about Truth and Saving Souls——that is it. We have to get a person who isn’t afraid to be unpopular and despised——because if he is “good”—he will be.


11 posted on 02/11/2013 9:14:41 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ubipetrusest

Bob Cardinal Dolan? Who knew?


12 posted on 02/11/2013 9:15:49 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: newberger

Yes. Shame that all the operative words (liberalism, distributism, capitalism, socialism, and so many others) have “evolved.” The Molly Maguires are no longer necessary to confront the early evils of America’s Industrial Revolution. Funny though—Three Acres and a Cow came well after Five Acres and a Mule.


13 posted on 02/12/2013 2:00:49 AM PST by Mach9
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To: ubipetrusest

Did she not quit being a communist once she became a Catholic?


14 posted on 02/12/2013 2:48:10 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: JFoobar

No American will ever be Pope. Look to south America as a place for the new Pope—maybe east Europe? Perhaps Spain? many changes are coming to the Roman Catholic Church in the next decades—a tough, devout vicar is needed. A Younger man this time to heal the branches of the Universal Church and make an alliance with the Russian Orthodox Church as we face the storm of radical Islam and the power of the secular progressives and socialists.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 3:33:36 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: newberger

For Dorothy Day “distributism” meant that property should be “distributed” equitably, transferred from those who have “too much” to those who have “too little”—no wonder Obama called Day one the “great social reformers” at the 2012 National Prayer Breakfast. Carol Byrne, in “The Catholic Worker [CW] Movement (1933-1980): A Critical Analysis” (2010, p. 198) states: “Clearly, Day was only interested in what she termed ‘the communal aspect of property.’ As far as dwellings were concerned, Day advocated OCCUPANCY rather than private ownership. She accepted Kropotkin’s idea of the ‘right’ of needy people to enter family homes and occupy spare rooms in them.” In the November 1964 “CW,” Day declared: “It seems to me that anything that threatens money or property, anything that aims at a more equitable distribution of this world’s goods, has always been called communism. I like the word myself; it makes me think of the communism of the religious orders.” In the July-August 1969 “CW,” Day had more to say: “’The more property becomes common—the more it becomes holy.’... But to do away with private property is a mortal sin in our system.... Certainly the Catholic [religious communities] have always profited by an increase of land and wealth so that persecution has come over and over again. The corporate wealth is then taken away, but later accumulates again. Fortunately, the Papal States were wrested from the Church in the last century, but there is still the problem of investment of papal funds. It is always a cheering thought to me that if we have good will and are still unable to find remedies for the economic abuses of our time, in our family, our parish, and the mighty church as a whole, God will take matters in hand and do the job for us. When I saw the Garibaldi mountains in British Columbia . . . I said a prayer for his soul and blessed him for being the instrument of so mighty a work of God. May God use us!”


16 posted on 02/12/2013 7:45:46 AM PST by ubipetrusest (Dorothy Day, distributism, Marxism)
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To: Mach9

Yes, and Dorothy Day’s mishmash of Catholic devotional and doctrinal language with the Marxist terms she used throughout her life—the masses, the workers, the bourgeois, the class war are some of the most frequent—has contributed greatly to the mess.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 7:47:53 AM PST by ubipetrusest (Dorothy Day, distributism, Marxism)
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To: Biggirl

No, her writings and actions show that she never gave up her “radical” beliefs, but sought to create a “Christian Communism” in the Catholic Church. She maintained friendships and working relationships with prominent US Communists Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, who was one of the US Party’s founders and later its Chair; Mike Gold, “Daily Worker” columnist and author of the “proletariat” novel “Jews Without Money,” which she praised to “CW” readers; and Anna Louise Strong, her fellow journalist and propagandist, who received a state funeral in Moscow. Day was an invited “observer” at the 16th Annual Convention of the Communist Party USA, although the press was excluded. Day praised “Papa Marx” and Lenin, who she wrote “went about doing good,” in the April 1948 “CW.” She defended the guilty Rosenbergs and Black Panther Bobby Seale; she recommended Saul Alinsky’s books and praised his efforts in the May 1966 “CW.” (Perhaps Cardinal Dolan needs to take time to read the “CW.”)

Day was also called “Moscow Mary,” an epithet based on her actions: “I have spoken at Carnegie Hall against the Smith and McCarron acts, with Communists and fellow travellers; others of us have walked on picket lines protesting the payment of income tax and lastly there have been four days of picketing the Spanish consulate in New York in protest against the executions of the five Spanish trade unionists. These last demonstrations were headed by Norman Thomas, the highly respected Socialist, and included the aid of the I. W. W., Catholics, the Independent Socialist League and others. I assume the Communists were not invited” (”CW,” April 1952). For more details, see Carol Byrne’s “The Catholic Worker Movement (1933-1980): A Critical Analysis” and her “Complete Supplementary Notes,” available at “Dorothy Day Another Way.”


18 posted on 02/12/2013 8:25:29 AM PST by ubipetrusest (Dorothy Day, distributism, Marxism)
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To: savagesusie; Campion; JFoobar; et al

The odds are small, but Dolan’s name has been included in the first round of media possibilities for Pope, or as campion would rightly say, “impossibilities.”

I couldn’t agree with you more, savagesusie; the corruption of the US Church—and its failure to preach the truth—led to the election of a modern-day Herod as President of the USA. This infidelity has also enabled the cause of the great Communizer Dorothy Day to be treated as legitimate! You speak of the link between Marxism and sexual immorality, and the latter was a recurring problem at the CW farms, one that Day enabled.

The “Catholic Worker” has as much “right” to its name as the “National Catholic Reporter.” If only Cardinal Spellman had not retreated when Day repeatedly refused to remove “Catholic” from the paper’s name. God bless Bishop Finn for standing firm.

Cardinal Dolan would be a poor choice for Pope. While trying to do good, he has unwisely aided and abetted enemies of the Church, such as Big Brother Obama and the rabidly pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage NY City Council Speaker, declared lesbian and “Catholic” Christine Quinn. Quinn had a great a photo op as she handed out free turkeys with Dolan in November 2011. Seven months later Quinn had the photo on her desk for show-and-tell and stated: “He is a leading religious, but more significantly a leading civic and public figure who has a lot of influence in this city in a lot of ways. The way he uses that influence around immigration issues, around poverty issues are ones that I often agree with, and often will ask for his help with. How he uses that influence around choice and women’s issues and LGBT issues are not ones that I agree with. And he knows that. And we’ve had those conversations. But I don’t think it’s useful for me to shut down communication with anybody ever” (”As City’s Political Heat Rises, Quinn Treads Carefully, Confidently,” “Gay City News,” June 21, 2012, http://gaycitynews.com/as-citys-political-heat-rises-quinn-treads-carefully-confidently/).


19 posted on 02/12/2013 9:09:16 AM PST by ubipetrusest (Dorothy Day, Cardinal Dolan, Obama, Christine Quinn)
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To: Biggirl; newberger
After her conversion, Dorothy Day's economic justice ideals were the polar opposite of Communism. Communism stands for Total State Power subsuming and replacing every other institution: family, church, the entirety of civil society. Personalism eschews State power to support voluntary poverty as a basis for voluntary charity in the name of God: a view in excellent harmony with the Prophets of Israel and the Fathers of the Church.

My favorite Dorothy Day quote is the following:

"The Catholic Church must never abandon the poor
to 'Holy Mother the State'."

Dorothy Day was not a political theorist, but a broom-pushing, bread-baking, rosary-praying Personalist. You don' have to believe just me: here's 21,000 sources that say the same:

http://tinyurl.com/D-Day-vs-Holy-Mother-the-State

Of course, this is a different perspective than you'd get from "Tradition in Action," the source of a great deal of the anti-Dorothy-Day propaganda. You can see all that at their website --- not that I'd recommend anyone going there, because it is full of shocking attacks on the past five Popes as well.

.

So instead...

A Feast of Dorothy Day Quotes

20 posted on 02/12/2013 9:34:04 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God: the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth." 1 Timothy 3:15))
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I think with the planned stepping down of this present Pope from a western country, Germany, most likely the next Pope will come from what is considered a “global south” country, Africa, Asia, or Latin America. Maybe even eastern Europe, maybe an eastern rite Catholic from that part of the world who can with the help of God work to bring greater Christian unity.


21 posted on 02/12/2013 9:46:21 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ubipetrusest
WWFGSS,


22 posted on 02/12/2013 11:05:00 AM PST by jaz.357 (Contrary To Ordinary)
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To: savagesusie

I think the Church is rapidly getting over the excesses after Vatican II.

If Pope John Paul II didn’t fight against communism, I don’t know anyone who did. And, if Pope Benedict didn’t fight against the homosexual agenda, I don’t know who did.

I fully expect the next Pope to continue.


23 posted on 02/12/2013 11:21:19 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ubipetrusest

It seems to me the author of this article is really stretching to make Dolan “possible successor” and slamming Day in order to... who knows? Make an emotional article that seems to have relevance the topic of Pope Benedict’s resignation?

Big Fail.


24 posted on 02/12/2013 11:58:38 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: newberger
Dorothy Day was *not* a Marxist. She was a Distributist - an economic view championed by G K Chesterton and Hillaire Belloc - hardly Marxists.

I suppose. But her sympathies were all over the map, extending at various times to anarchism, communism, pacifism.

People who have gotten used to routinely labeling their political opponents Marxist may have a better case with Day than with today's run-of-the mill US politicians given her sympathy with Castro and Guevara, even though her theism and Marx's atheism excluded each other.

25 posted on 02/12/2013 12:26:59 PM PST by x
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To: Mrs. Don-o; newberger; Biggirl

Saying it doesn’t make it so, Mrs. Don-O. You write: “Dorothy Day’s economic justice ideals were the polar opposite of Communism. Communism stands for Total State Power subsuming and replacing every other institution: family, church, the entirety of civil society. Personalism eschews State power to support voluntary poverty as a basis for voluntary charity.”

If only this were correct. Day never lost her admiration for the economic and social policies of Communist states, although she did leave atheism behind and could not “condone” the violence that achieved these “reforms.” She attempted to create a “Christian communism.” After Pius XII”s “Decree Against Communism” was published, Day declared herself “an ex-Communist,” stating: “Certainly we disagree with the Communist Party, as we disagree with other political parties who are trying to maintain the American way of life. We don’t think it’s worth maintaining. We and the Communists have a common idea that something else is necessary, some other vision of society must be held up to be worked for.” (”Beyond Politics,” “Catholic Worker” [CW,] November 1949). In the same article she wrote: “[Communists] believe, of course, that violence will come. (So do we when it comes down to it, and we are praying it won’t.) They believe that it will be forced upon the workers by the class struggle which is going on all around us now. . . . Class war is a fact and one does not need to advocate it. The Communists point to it as forced upon them, and say that when it comes they will take part in it, and in their plans they want to prepare the ground, and win as many as possible to their point of view and for their side. And where will we be on that day?”

When Pope John XXIII excommunicated Fidel Castro in January 1962, Day traveled a few months later to Cuba and then wrote several articles on the “social advances” achieved there (CW, September 1962-February 1963). She praised farming communes in Red China. She believed in a compulsory form of “voluntary poverty,” as the aim of the CW is—in her own words—”to MAKE the rich poor and the poor holy” (capitals added).

She consistently attacked “Holy Mother the State” in non-Communist societies such as the US, but accepted her daughter Tamar receiving $360 a month for her children and “something for herself” from the State of Vermont after Tamar and her husband separated (Day notes this in her diary, “The Duty of Delight,” 2011, p.325). Day’s economic theories do not seem to apply to everyday nuclear families not living in communal arrangements. (By the way, she never gave an equivalent term for Marxist countries—Unholy Father Soviet?)

Sadly, Tamar and children also fell away from the Faith, and Day writes in 1967 of being the only one attending Christmas Mass (”Duty of Delight,” p. 427).

Your claim that Day was not a “political theorist” gave me my laugh of the day. She studied Kropotkin as a college student, and then Peter Maurin broadened her knowledge of his works, as she reveals in “From Union Square to Rome” and “The Long Loneliness.” One need only read her CW columns to see how aware she was of movements within the Communist Party and who was who. She often did not bother to inform readers of the details about her Communist friends. She was also an admirer of Saul Alinsky (CW, May 1966) and endorsed his call for a massive public authority similar to the TVA to be set up: “He envisages something like the Tennessee Valley Authority with the use of the billions to build villages, schools, hospitals, roads, and all else needed.”

Most of the articles on Day’s cause are long on praise for her love of the poor, and short on her unchanged Marxist views and other facts. The answer to Day’s fitness is found in her own writings. A “softer, gentler” Dorothy is being fabricated by her admirers (and thankfully is being questioned in the “Comments” to the articles). For example, CW Brian Terrell questioned the veracity of, and publicized his inability to find one of Day’s statements. For your and his information, here is the statement and its source: “Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy, rotten system” (Dorothy Day, from a public speech, “Women on War,” Daniela Gioseffi, ed., 1988, pp. 103, 371).

Similarly, Robert Ellsberg— editor of the CW under Day’s tutelage for five years and now editor of her Selected Writings, Selected Letters, and Diary (cited above)—claims that the matter of the CW changing its name was “not raised again” after Day wrote a conciliatory letter to the New York Chancery (”Duty of Delight,” p. 169). However, CWs Michael Harrington, Ammon Hennacy, and Jim Forest stated that the issue recurred (Carol Byrne, “The Catholic Worker Movement (1933-1980): A Critical Analysis,” 2010, pp. 206-208).

In addition to the homespun quotes you propose, more quotes of Dorothy Day are available at http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dorothy_Day and at http://dorothydayworker.blogspot.com/2012/10/sayings-and-writings-by-dorothy-day.html


26 posted on 02/12/2013 12:40:47 PM PST by ubipetrusest (Dorothy Day, distributism, Marxism, Saul Alinsky, Carol Byrne,)
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To: ubipetrusest

Indeed, sadly. (Love your screen-name.)


29 posted on 02/12/2013 3:58:39 PM PST by Mach9
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To: ubipetrusest

Dolan seem pretty fitting to me.

Dorothy Day can be his Valerie Jarrett.


30 posted on 02/14/2013 5:47:05 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: ubipetrusest

Sounds like a commie to me.


31 posted on 02/14/2013 6:19:01 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Mach9

Thank you for noticing! “Where Peter is, there is the Church,” or “Ubi Petrus [est], ibi Ecclesia.”


32 posted on 02/14/2013 6:53:14 AM PST by ubipetrusest ("Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesia")
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To: jaz.357

What would Fr. Guido Sarducci say? Perhaps, “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.” — Luke 6:43-45.

Thanks for sharing. LOL.


33 posted on 02/14/2013 7:02:53 AM PST by ubipetrusest ("Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesia")
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To: Little Ray

Seems like it. “The God of the Copybook Headings” is pertinent. I doubt Dorothy Day or Cardinal Dolan would appreciate Rudyard Kipling’s poem—it has such wisdom in even the few stanzas below:

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”


34 posted on 02/14/2013 7:20:27 AM PST by ubipetrusest ("Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesia," Kipling, Dorothy Day)
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To: ubipetrusest

I am firmly of the opinion that nearly all social, cultural, and governmental issues can be correctly resolved by referring to Kipling’s poems.

Terrorism? The Grave of a Hundred Head and Arithmetic on the Frontier
Islamism? Kitchener’s School
Socialism (and especially Obamacare!)? An Imperial Rescript
Society and Culture in general? The Gods of the Copybook Headings.
Religion and State? Requiem and Hymn before Battle.

All the answers are there, but Gods of the Marketplace and their followers ignore them because they are not pretty, “fair” or “politically correct.” So the lights go out in Rome and the Gods of the Copybook Headings limp up to explain it once more...


35 posted on 02/14/2013 8:27:30 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Syncro

Birds of a feather!


36 posted on 02/16/2013 7:37:09 PM PST by ubipetrusest ("Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesia," Kipling, Dorothy Day)
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To: Little Ray

Thanks, it will be good to to check more of Kipling’s poems.


37 posted on 02/16/2013 7:39:08 PM PST by ubipetrusest ("Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesia," Kipling, Dorothy Day)
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