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Mormon Reformation Group...Posting 95 Theses on LDS Church Doors [this upcoming Sunday, 2/17]
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Posted on 02/12/2013 11:52:32 AM PST by Alex Murphy

American Fork, UT (PRWEB) February 12, 2013

A group of over 260 active and disaffected Mormons will be posting a copy of 95 LDS Theses onto the doors of their local churches around the world between the hours of 9:00 p.m. Saturday, February 16th, and 9:00 a.m. Sunday, February 17, 2013.

The project is organized by Mormon Reformation, a protest movement which aims to follow protestant reformer Martin Luther, who in 1517 posted a list of grievances on the door of the Castle Church of Wittenberg. Within two weeks, it was distributed by the press throughout Germany, exposed the corruption of the Catholic Church, and started what came to be known as the Protestant Reformation. Now, protesters claim, it is time for a Mormon Reformation.

Why Do Concerned Mormons Feel a Protest Is Necessary?

The protest is intended to be a peaceful, non-confrontational, and anonymous way to achieve the following two objectives:

1) Educating the membership of the church on controversial, revised, and hidden aspects of church doctrine, history, and fundamental claims, and

2) Influencing church leaders to officially address topics that they have dodged, dismissed, and covered up for too long.

The 95 LDS theses include grievances concerning the church’s whitewashing & suppressing of documented history, such as:

• Joseph Smith illegally marrying at least 33 women, some of whom were as young as 14 years old. Some of Joseph's marriages were secured by promising salvation or threatening damnation.

• Joseph Smith married at least 11 women who were already married to other men. In some cases, Joseph married the wives of men whom he had sent away on missions. Brigham Young also married other men's wives.

• Boyd K. Packer and other church leaders have openly advocated obscuring and editing history by teaching us that "some things that are true are not very useful."

• The LDS Church stifles honest scholarship of Mormonism, going as far as excommunicating people who find and publish history that contradicts the Church's narrative.

• The LDS Church’s refusal to disclose its finances, even to its tithe-paying members, despite former President Hinckley stating to Larry King that financial "information belongs to those who made the contribution."

“To make this event successful, I am enlisting the help of a wide variety of people,” says the protest’s organizer, Luther-day Saint.“ The group of protesters consists mainly of progressive, temple recommend-carrying members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as well as less active members and some members who have recently left the church.

There are now over 1,000 discussion forums, podcasts, and blogs in what is called the Exmormon community, which vary in focus and style from gently discussing pertinent issues to openly satirizing covered-up Mormon beliefs as well as the church's inauthenticity and institutionalized behavioral and information control.

In January, 2012, a Reuters article announced a statement by church historian & recorder Marlin K. Jensen’s that the church has never experienced such a profound loss of its membership since the Kirtland, Ohio, banking scandal in 1837.

According to Mormon Luther-day Saint, “Some people wish for nothing short of the complete destruction of the church. For them, my efforts don't go far enough. Others just want to tweak a thing or two about the church. Whatever your personal desires for the church, I hope that I can count on your support to achieve the above two objectives by sharing the 95 theses and our event through social media.”

The event and printable copy of the 95 theses can be found on MormonReformation.blogspot.com as well as its Facebook event.

Mormon Reformation is a group of active and disaffected Mormons who seek to create change within the church--not by attacking its beliefs or lay members, but by petitioning LDS leadership to openly address its covered-up history and dishonest claims.


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Mormon Reformation Group Protests Concealed Mormon Beliefs & History, Posting 95 Theses on LDS Church Doors

A group of over 260 active and disaffected Mormons will be posting a copy of 95 LDS Theses onto the doors of their local churches around the world between the hours of 9:00 p.m. Saturday, February 16th, and 9:00 a.m. Sunday, February 17, 2013. The project is organized by Mormon Reformation....The 95 LDS theses include grievances concerning the church’s whitewashing & suppressing of documented history, such as:

• Joseph Smith illegally marrying at least 33 women, some of whom were as young as 14 years old. Some of Joseph's marriages were secured by promising salvation or threatening damnation.
• Joseph Smith married at least 11 women who were already married to other men. In some cases, Joseph married the wives of men whom he had sent away on missions. Brigham Young also married other men's wives.
• Boyd K. Packer and other church leaders have openly advocated obscuring and editing history by teaching us that "some things that are true are not very useful."
• The LDS Church stifles honest scholarship of Mormonism, going as far as excommunicating people who find and publish history that contradicts the Church's narrative.
• The LDS Church’s refusal to disclose its finances, even to its tithe-paying members, despite former President Hinckley stating to Larry King that financial "information belongs to those who made the contribution"....

....The event and printable copy of the 95 theses can be found on MormonReformation.blogspot.com as well as its Facebook event.

1 posted on 02/12/2013 11:52:36 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Colofornian

*Ping*


2 posted on 02/12/2013 11:53:32 AM PST by MeganC (Liberals fool people by walking upright.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Wish them well, they will need it.

There are people on FR claiming they are just haters for mormonism exposure.


3 posted on 02/12/2013 11:55:18 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Alex Murphy

uh Oh

Ive been reading about this the last few days...

fresh air into a stinky religion...

However Mormonism ism not a Protestant denomination...

Mormoinism is anti-Christianity...

It was intended to be when founder Joey Smith first invented it...

Each of the 10 Commandments are corrupted and rejectede in the doctrines of Mormonism...


4 posted on 02/12/2013 12:01:38 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Alex Murphy

Don’t they already have an outlet in the RLDS, the ones who chose not to follow Brigham Young into the wilderness, choosing instead to stay in Independence, MO?


5 posted on 02/12/2013 12:02:04 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Did “Mormon Luther” pull all of this out of hat?


6 posted on 02/12/2013 12:05:33 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Alex Murphy
At the risk of sounding like the former Sec of State - What does it matter?

If you don't like the church you are in, find one you do like. Seriously, who cares?

I split the Catholic church years before the homosexual and rape scandals. I don't come here and post anti-anything.

Why not just point to a better organization?

(shrugs and walks away)

7 posted on 02/12/2013 12:08:04 PM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: ASOC

hum?
This is the Religion Forum posting an article about a religious issue, “if you don’t like the forum you are in, find one you do like”.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 12:11:37 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw; Elsie
Dear Ask Tommy,

Some evil apostates have threatened to post 95 lies about our church on the doors of our buidings.

I have been told they are just haters for mormonism exposure but I think they just want to sin

What do you think ?


9 posted on 02/12/2013 12:21:16 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Alex Murphy

At first I thought these were homosexual liberals doing the protesting, demanding a more “inclusive” church.

But maybe I was right.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 12:26:28 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Ping for later.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 12:39:50 PM PST by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Mormons will be posting a copy of 95 LDS Theses onto the doors of their local churches around the world between the hours of 9:00 p.m. Saturday, February 16th, and 9:00 a.m. Sunday, February 17, 2013. “

Always trying to copy Christians!

Watch, they will even pervert this...


12 posted on 02/12/2013 12:55:45 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: svcw; ASOC; Alex Murphy; MeganC; T-Bird45; All
At the risk of sounding like the former Sec of State - What does it matter? If you don't like the church you are in, find one you do like. Seriously, who cares? ... Why not just point to a better organization? [ASOC]

This is the Religion Forum posting an article about a religious issue, “if you don’t like the forum you are in, find one you do like”. [SVCW]

Actually, SVCW...after reading of a few of the "theses" to be published -- this group posting these is standing in sharp contrast to the compartmentalism reflected in both ASOC's and your comments...

Note this from the article: Joseph Smith illegally marrying at least 33 women, some of whom were as young as 14 years old. Some of Joseph's marriages were secured by promising salvation or threatening damnation. • Joseph Smith married at least 11 women who were already married to other men...

This was bigamy...already against the law in the 19th century...bigamy is not "just" a "religious" issue.

ASOC asks "what difference does it make?" as if Muslim or Mormon polygamy doesn't matter...

If a Mormon "prophet" could implement polygamy; and then temporarily set it aside; then he could also bring it back.

If a Mormon "prophet" could take it upon himself to marry 11 wives already married to other men...If recent fLDS "prophets" can take a wife and give her to another man...which has happened more than people care to concede in Hildale, UT and Colorado City, AZ...then these aren't simply "tucked-away-in-a-corner 'religious' activities..." Hence the raid on the fLDS compound in 2008 was justified.

ASOC treats all this in typical amoral/immoral libertarian style...

When this worldview is applied to abortion, it comes out as, "Don't like abortion? Don't have one."

Applied to the abolitionist movement it was, "Don't like slavery? Don't own one."

When applied to environmental issues or moral sewage coming into homes, it sounds like, "Don't like polluted water coming in thru your pipes at home? Buy bottled water."

When applied to cults, it's "Don't like laced koolaid? Don't drink it or join cults that do. Don't like religious groups acting as pied pipers to hell? Don't follow them. But otherwise, keep your mouth shut."

This line of reasoning is essentially concluding, "The hell with looking out for your neighbor who might unknowingly be drinking polluted water; or to hell with the gullible youngster falling for a cult."

'Tis the EXACT opposite ethic of loving your neighbor as yourself...

13 posted on 02/12/2013 1:06:57 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Alex Murphy; Elsie; All
From the article: The protest is intended to be a peaceful, non-confrontational, and anonymous way to achieve the following two objectives:

Anonymous?

This group is announcing that it's going to tape something on Lds doors Sunday...and, having announced it in advance, they somehow think they can do that anonymously?

Won't the Lds church dispatch its door-protecting goons(its equivalency of modern-day avenging 'angels'...the Danites) starting Saturday at o-dark hundred? Do you think they will either allow ANYTHING to be posted; or if successfully posted, stay there for very long?

If there's one thing that the Lds church has consistently proven, the Mormon hierarchy isn't very pro-"let's hear other viewpoints"...

As one Lds leader announced in a message in the 1940s, "When the prophet has spoken, the thinking's been done."

It has ALL the marks of a cult.

14 posted on 02/12/2013 1:14:04 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Yep, you are correct.
The goons will be out in force.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 1:17:17 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: T-Bird45

There are several hundred breakaway sects that stem in one way or another from the original Mormon church founded by Joseph Smith, some are defunct and new ones seem to spring up regularly. When doctrine is whatever you say it is, I guess this sort of thing is not unexpected.


16 posted on 02/12/2013 1:17:30 PM PST by centurion316
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To: ASOC

“(shrugs and walks away)”

(also shrugs and follows you out the door)


17 posted on 02/12/2013 1:18:55 PM PST by libdestroyer
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To: T-Bird45
Yes "they" do.

"It" used to be called the Reorganized Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, now they refer to themselves as the Commu itu of Christ.

18 posted on 02/12/2013 1:23:19 PM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: T-Bird45
Yes "they" do.

"It" used to be called the Reorganized Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, now they refer to themselves as the Community of Christ.

19 posted on 02/12/2013 1:23:42 PM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: Alex Murphy; All
From the article: A group of over 260 active and disaffected Mormons...

NOTE: ALL Mormons are in reality "disaffected"...the problem is those who have discovered it too late and who will discover it upon death.

Here's a test for Lds to discover their disaffection:

Have you been told that "eternal life" is eventual life in the extra-"goody" heaven -- the third heaven -- called the "Celestial Kingdom?" And that it's part of "eternal progression" and that it will take a "while" to reach it? And that it's ONLY available for married Mormons? And that it's ONLY available for temple Mormons?

IOW, have you been told that "eternal life" takes place either at death -- or, for the Mormon, much, much beyond that?

Well, that's a lie. Plain and simple.

How do we know that?

Compare that "line" to what Jesus repeatedly said about "eternal life"...read the passages below and then ask, "Is eternal life something available on this earth BEFORE we die?" The final verse below gives the best brief definitional understanding of eternal life...'tis a relationship with the ONLY TRUE God...a relationship that can start right NOW!

* 36 Whoever believes in the Son HAS eternal life... (Jesus, John 3:36)
* 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life and will not be judged but HAS CROSSED OVER from death to life. (Jesus, John 5:24)
* 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes HAS eternal life. (Jesus, John 6:47)
* 11 And this is the testimony: God HAS GIVEN us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever HAS the Son HAS life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may KNOW that you HAVE eternal life. (1 John 5:11-13)

3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (Jesus, John 17:3)

Mormons, yield the lies your leaders have told you. Realize how disaffected you have done. Come to the true God....the ONLY ONE...embrace eternal life NOW thru a relationship with the True Christ!!!! Believe!!!

20 posted on 02/12/2013 1:33:55 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
"Did “Mormon Luther” pull all of this out of hat?"

A Herring barrel

21 posted on 02/12/2013 1:53:27 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: svcw

OH My!!! Come and get your anti-LDS fix while you can!

Of course; in order to totally enjoy the biggited experience you must hypocritically ignore the facts that surround the development of the doctrines that you use to flail LDS (Mormonism)

The facts surrounding the establishment of the Nicene Creed as wells as mono and dual physite doctrines required the murders of thousands!

....and required the direct manipulation of such notable figures as Emperor Justin the Apostate who rescued the Nicene Creed from the dustbin of history in an attempt to fracture Christianity and restore paganism.

I’m continually amazed at how you smug anti-mormons seethe with indignation at LDS doctrine/history, while whitewashing and ignoring the much greater distortion, coercion and outright bloodshed which led to your Christian Doctrine.

I believe that Christ himself adequately described your brand of hypocracy as “...straining at a gnat, while swollowing a camel..”


22 posted on 02/12/2013 2:08:02 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: teppe

I have a really good idea, post your anti-Christian rants and ping me - k?
Until them please address the incorrect messages of mormonism’s history and words of mormon’s leaders that you say these “haters” are posting - k?
If what is being posted on mormonism threads is wrong, then what in your opinion is correct - k?


23 posted on 02/12/2013 2:24:46 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Scoutmaster
Mormon Reformation Group...Posting 95 Theses on LDS Church Doors [this upcoming Sunday, 2/17]

(The SLC group?) Why??

MORMONs have left the 'church' ever since Joseph Smith died!


With the Mormons (to be precise, the members of The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - based in Salt Lake City) intent on being called “Christians” after so many years of eschewing that word, and despite the fact that there are so many fundamental theological differences between Christianity and Mormonism, I often wonder: 

How do members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints feel about calling the members of its various spin-off sects Latter-Day Saints, Christians, or Mormons? Or about those sects calling themselves Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? (There was an earlier campaign by LDS to have journalism style books use the word “Mormon” to refer only to LDS, and not RLDS, FLDS, or other LDS sects).

For a man who bragged about holding things together, Joseph Smith, Jr. doesn’t appear go have done a good job of it during his lifetime. Wycam Clark’s “Pure Church of Christ” spun off in 1831. This trend continued. There were six LDS sects spawned in the 1830s, eight in the 1840s, two in the 1850s, and seven in the 1860s.

Do those responsible for the “Mormons are Christians” campaign consider these denominations to be Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? Surely many of these denominations are much closer to mainstream LDS than LDS is to Christianity. Many stick to Smith’s teachings and old temple endowment ceremonies.

Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Centennial Park
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven

Blackmore/Bountiful Community
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Aaronic Order
Zion’s Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zion’s Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halley’s Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ “With the Elijah Message” (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)

Or these defunct sects:

Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Alston Church
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (this one was particularly curious - started by William Law, editor of The Nauvoo Expositor, just one of many sects started in opposition to plural marriage)
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite) Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Congregation of Jehovah’s Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Independent Latter Day Saints of Nigeria
Independent Latter Day Saints of Ghana
Apostolic Divine Church of Ghana

Are members of those LDS groups “Mormons”? “Latter Day Saints?” “Christians?”

Do the folks in Salt Lake City have a problem with any of those groups, who believe in the restoration of the original church by Joseph Smith, calling themselves Mormons or Saints?

Most of these divisions in the Latter-Day Saint movement occurred over the issue of polygamy or succession of the Prophet. Sects broke off when Joseph Smith was still alive, and when Brigham Young was named prophet, because they didn’t believe in the practice of plural marriage – either publicly, or in some cases when it was practiced in private and denied in public.

Of course, there was the great split between Rocky Mountain Saints and Prairie Saints, when LDS members couldn’t agree on a successor prophet to Smith, Jr., and the church went to Utah, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania under Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon (senior member of the First Presidency), James Strang, Lyman Wight, Alpheus Cutler, William Smith, David Whitmer (a BOM witness), or Joseph Smith III (son of Joseph Smith, Jr.). Almost all of these individuals still has multiple sects in existence that date to an 1844 decision about who should be the next President/Prophet of the church.

The Prairie Saints split into sects over the issue of whether Smith practiced polygamy. Rocky Mountain Saints had many, many spinoff sects after the 1890 Manifesto – groups that still practice plural marriage.

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Thanks to ScoutMaster for all the hard work here!


24 posted on 02/12/2013 2:27:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

200 more potential FI’s!!!!


25 posted on 02/12/2013 2:28:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ASOC
If you don't like the church you are in, find one you do like. Seriously, who cares?

No one.

That is no one but Christians that happen to love the Lord and are WILLING to exposem the heresies of MORMONism and the truth of the BIBLE.

26 posted on 02/12/2013 2:30:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ASOC
I don't come here and post anti-anything.

This then must be a PRO-mormon reply?

27 posted on 02/12/2013 2:31:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ASOC
Why not just point to a better organization?

Well; according to what the BOOK says....


 
Acts 17:18-19
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
 
Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
 
 
 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



28 posted on 02/12/2013 2:33:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fwdude
At first I thought these were homosexual liberals doing the protesting, demanding a more “inclusive” church.


29 posted on 02/12/2013 2:34:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fwdude
At first I thought these were homosexual liberals doing the protesting, demanding a more “inclusive” church.


http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/6/25/14/enhanced-buzz-29722-1340650006-15.jpg

30 posted on 02/12/2013 2:35:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
The goons will be out in force.


31 posted on 02/12/2013 2:37:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; All
The lady Mormon holding the sign on the left cites 1 Cor. 13:7...but fails to mention the verse before: "Love rejoices in THE TRUTH." ... And "the truth" is that God and the Bible does NOT sanction homosexuality or diverse forms of marriage.

As for the guy holding the sign on the right, of course, some Mormons would be vying for alternative ways to define marriage...I mean, isn't that what 1843 to 1890 was all about for Mormonism?...Redefining marriage so that Lds leaders could operate their personal harems???

32 posted on 02/12/2013 2:37:35 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: teppe
My!

Aren't YOU wound up!!!


ENJOY!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

33 posted on 02/12/2013 2:39:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
I have a really good idea, post your anti-Christian rants and ping me - k?

Let ME help!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

34 posted on 02/12/2013 2:41:01 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
I'm a MORMON ...
 
 
 

http://www.affirmation.org/


35 posted on 02/12/2013 2:43:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe; Jim Robinson; Alex Murphy; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; ...
I’m continually amazed at how you smug anti-mormons seethe with indignation at LDS doctrine/history, while whitewashing and ignoring the much greater distortion, coercion and outright bloodshed which led to your Christian Doctrine.

And the above, folks is your Anti-Christian rant for the day from teppe.

Jim Robinson's statement on mormonism:"Free Republic is a pro-God site. The one and only true Judeo-Christian God as taught to us by KJV with no additional editing or books of fiction..I have zero faith in Joseph Smith or his so-called Mormon religion and do not want it taught on FR as gospel Joe Smith was a false prophet and his book is false gospel (look it up in KJV). Those who cannot live with that are certainly free to post elsewhere."

Link

36 posted on 02/12/2013 2:45:28 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I have tape! Will travel!!!


37 posted on 02/12/2013 2:53:23 PM PST by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: Alex Murphy
Interesting but until the LDS church feels the need to start teaching the truth about Jesus and about the Bible it won't matter. Their theology is still really messed up.

And while they're at it they can expose what the church knows about Joseph Smith and where he really got the "book of mormon"......hint, hint...he worked part time in a printing shop. As an ex-mormon I wish them the best - the people are beautiful.

38 posted on 02/12/2013 2:55:02 PM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: wesagain
And while they're at it they can expose what the church knows about Joseph Smith and where he really got the "book of mormon"......

Read the history.

It suffices.




"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




39 posted on 02/12/2013 3:13:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
You assume much, defend little.

But again given what is in this article I would deflect as well...

40 posted on 02/12/2013 3:13:32 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: wesagain
And while they're at it they can expose...

Ok; happy to do so!


The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...
only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.



Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



 



What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


41 posted on 02/12/2013 3:14:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wesagain; All
The key here tho is this is from the inside-out.

And you need to understand how unprecedented that is.

There's always been individuals acting with wishes of reform; but Lds leaders ensured they remained "death wishes" by either removing them from the Mormon church...or between the 1850s & 1870s...removing them by other means [read up on "Avenging Angels" & "Danites"]

Here, you have a group of Mormons acting in concert. A true internal Lds "conspiracy."

The General Authorities in SLC are, right now, doing flips! 'Tis unprecedented to openly, brazenly, as a GROUP, have the "audacity" to question "the Brethren."

42 posted on 02/12/2013 3:20:42 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: wesagain; All
As an ex-mormon I wish them the best ...

I would hope that disaffected ex-Mormons and disaffected Mormons would join together and go the "next step"...

Those Lds leaders who have hidden what these 95 theses reveal should immediately resign...and that probably is 100% of the Lds general authorities!

Grassroots Mormons...now is the time for accountability...

Call for the resignations of the Mormon censors masquerading as "authorities..."

The time for mindlessly and unanimously "sustaining" the "prophet" and his cronies is over!!!

Just as Berlin Wall came down after the spell of the Iron Curtain was eroded, the Internet has eroded the Spiritual Iron Curtain within Utah! The spiritual "Berlin Wall" maintained by the "guards" within Salt Lake City must fall!!!

43 posted on 02/12/2013 3:30:12 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: All
The Mormon church needs its glasnost and perestroika movement... openness...transparency...release of controls...freedom...from covering up its past...from legalism...

Mormons, if not for your children & grandchildren, then for whom???

Will you not be part of this?

When your kids & grandkids read of this "hour" in Mormon history, what part will you tell them you played? Part of the cover-up? Or a reformation???

44 posted on 02/12/2013 3:37:18 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: teppe

“I’m continually amazed at how you smug anti-mormons seethe with indignation at LDS doctrine/history, while whitewashing and ignoring the much greater distortion, coercion and outright bloodshed which led to your Christian Doctrine.”

Aw, teppe, there you go again.

I have watched your posts and observed that they are long on opinion and short on facts and evidence. You have a right to post as you will, but what you are posting here is historically false.

Have you considered this: I do not believe Christian doctrines because ANYTHING was decided in the past. I have trace each doctrine through history, gone through the Holy Scriptures verse by verse, book by book, and reached an identical conclusion. Christian doctrines were arrived at because they answer the most questions and avoid heresies.

Today, you can come to Christ and accept His Gospel of Grace, leaving behind the mormonic doctrine of “be all you can be.” Wait. That is the Army. Mormon belief is “achieve your own worthiness”. It is there. He beckons you. He loves you.

Why not turn to Him today?


45 posted on 02/12/2013 3:41:56 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: svcw; Elsie; All
Yep, you are correct. The goons will be out in force

MSM...you have a role in this: When the Mormon "goons" keep Mormons from placing these theses on the Mormon doors, you need to be there with your cameras rolling and shooting!

ALL: The rest of you interested in freedom from mormon bondage may want to also take a look after 9:00 p.m. Saturday night...and just before the dawn breaks Sunday a.m.

Drive by your local Mormon church...take a look and see how many "goons" the Lds authorities have placed out front to "defend" their doors from the "onslaught" of a piece of paper!!!!! (And bring your cameras!!!)

46 posted on 02/12/2013 3:42:25 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: teppe; svcw

you must hypocritically ignore the facts that surround the development of the doctrines
_________________________________________

Yeah maybe but we dont ignore the facts

1. Joey Smith wanted to continue his womanizing and continue cheating on Emma so he “developed the doctrine” of polygamy being necessary to be saved and go to the Mormon after life and had sex with at least 40 woman before he got himself killed in a jail break...

2 Joey Smith wanted to get rich quick so he “developed the doctrine” of “required tithing” and other types of offerings, and in Kirkland, OH developed a bank scam complete with countafiet three dollar bills to cheat his own followers and had to run for his life so those followers wouldnt catch up with him ...

3. Joey Smith wanted to be worshipped so he “developed the doctrine” of him as “the prophet”..

4. Joey Smith wanted to be big stuff among other men so he “developed the doctrine” of king for like..

6. Joey Smith wanted people to hate God like he did so he “developed the doctrine” of “the first vision” and that God was a polygamist ...

7. Joey Smith wanted people to hate Jesus as he did so he “developed the doctrine” of the blood of Jesus lacking in the power to save and that Jesus also was a polygamist ...

8. Joey Smith wanted people to hate Christianity so he “developed the doctrine” of no Christian church teaches the Gospel..

9. Joey Smith wanted people to hate Christians so he “developed the doctrine” of every Christian is evil and an enemy of God...

10. Joey Smith wanted to replace the Christian Bible and sell his amatuer boring fiction that he had copied from someone elses novel and called the book of mormon so he “developed the doctrine” of “burning in the bosum” to prove it was true after a person read it...

11. Joey Smith wanted to keep his evil doings and secret life under cover so he “developed the doctrine” of secret marks and handshakes and incorpated Masonic rituals into his new religion..

Yeah Joey was busy with his “development of the doctrines” to the point that among the men outside the jail at Carthage were many Mormons who had reason to want him dead...

the followers he had cheated out of their life savings with his bank scam..

his fellow Freemasons who were angry at him for betraying the oathes of secrecy he had taken..

his fellow Mormons who had been cukoldeed by Joey when he had sex with their wives.,,

His fellow Mormons who were angry that he had had sex with their young daughters..

Pick any of those men...

They shot back at him..

He was put down like the dog he was..

It just happened that amongst the development of the doctrines Joey Smith had said his type of evil sinner should be exterminated...

so in the end Joey did die for his religion...

Joey Smith makes Chris Dorner look like a Pope...


47 posted on 02/12/2013 3:49:05 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Always trying to copy Christians! Watch, they will even pervert this...

I don't get this. If they acknowledge that Joey was a swinging snake in the grass, why don't they drop all the other garbage he created and convert to Christianity?

48 posted on 02/12/2013 3:52:15 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Colofornian

Good idea.


49 posted on 02/12/2013 3:56:27 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: dragonblustar

The mormons in my family would die before they acknowledged that Joseph Smith was this person.
If he is as history says he is, then everything they have believed for more than century, was in vain.
I have had cousins who have left, it is very hard. They are shunned by the rest of the family and lds friends.
I have a cousin who lost his job.
I have a cousin, who nearly lost her husband. Her struggle did not end well for her or her children.


50 posted on 02/12/2013 4:00:21 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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