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In Defense of the Papacy: 9 Reasons True Christians Follow the Pope
stpeterslist ^ | February 21, 2013 | HHAMBROSE

Posted on 02/22/2013 5:43:18 PM PST by NYer

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To: Iscool
Think about it...Don't you think Peter cringes and covers his face in embarrassment and shame every time some schmuck bows down to one of your popes and calls him 'holy father'???

NO

301 posted on 02/25/2013 5:57:13 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Iscool
Think about it...Don't you think Peter cringes and covers his face in embarrassment and shame every time some schmuck bows down to one of your popes and calls him 'holy father'???

NO

302 posted on 02/25/2013 5:57:13 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Iscool

I didn’t know you were a Catholic and could make judgments like that. LOL!


303 posted on 02/25/2013 6:26:34 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: boatbums

Thank you sir...I absolutely agree with you. It has to do with who we are together in Christ. I know that Jesus, The Christ, did not come to earth to create a religion. He came to reconcile us to God...God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit...One God. He speaks to us...and if we listen, we hear Him. He is our mediator. And yes, He said, through His brother James, to ‘confess our sins one to another’...

...and on the other hand, we are all ‘kings and priests’...


304 posted on 02/25/2013 6:42:35 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: terycarl

“...when he speaks “ex Cathedra” he cannot err.....ever....”

Only God speaks without error. No man, not even the ‘Pope’ can speak without error. God never ordained that. Period. The Catholic Church ‘defines’ ‘ex Cathedra’...how convenient.


305 posted on 02/25/2013 6:51:07 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
The Christ, did not come to earth to create a religion. He came to reconcile us to God...

.....thou art petros, and upon this Rock I will build My church....

306 posted on 02/25/2013 6:53:54 PM PST by terycarl
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
The Christ, did not come to earth to create a religion. He came to reconcile us to God...

.....thou art petros, and upon this Rock I will build My church....

307 posted on 02/25/2013 6:54:01 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl

and your rejoinder has nothing to do with the hisotricity of Peter....history shows he was never in Rome....

but let’s not let anything like that get in the way


308 posted on 02/25/2013 7:18:52 PM PST by Nifster
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To: terycarl

The church is built on Christ, not on Peter. Gross misinterpretation to say otherwise.


309 posted on 02/25/2013 7:30:09 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: terycarl

Surely you are not that obtuse.

The poster said he studied history

You said he did not study history

THAT WAS THE LIE

Or maybe you actually are...that obtuse.


310 posted on 02/25/2013 7:38:27 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: terycarl
the Pope speaks, just as we all do, and is subject to error

There it is in your own words, the Catholic church in error, from the top guy even!

Not only subject to, but actually IN ERROR many times over, and over many centuries.

311 posted on 02/25/2013 7:41:32 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Syncro; terycarl
TC: the Pope speaks, just as we all do, and is subject to error

Syncro: There it is in your own words, the Catholic church in error, from the top guy even! Not only subject to, but actually IN ERROR many times over, and over many centuries.

Hang on there, TC! Didn't you just get done saying:

the Catholic Church is Truth personified....there is no error within her teachings at all....none!!!

Can you clarify what sounds like a glaring contradiction? How is it your Popes can say, and, presumably, teach things that may be in error, yet the Catholic Church has "no error within her teachings AT ALL"? We have many examples in the past where proclamations by popes were negated by successive popes and teachings that were once considered inerrant got changed and/or corrected. Can you explain this disconnect?

312 posted on 02/25/2013 10:57:06 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Nifster; terycarl
and your rejoinder has nothing to do with the hisotricity of Peter....history shows he was never in Rome.... but let’s not let anything like that get in the way

You are aware that Peter was martyred in Rome, crucified upside down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter#Death.

go to Google type in "Death of Peter the Apostle" and you will get quite a few links.

Note it is very difficult to die in a place that you have never been.

313 posted on 02/26/2013 2:23:08 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Salvation; Iscool; BlueDragon

The second part is the Litrugy of the Eucharist is completely focused on Jesus Christ. The priest is the alter Christus there for us in place of Christ.

No he ain't...

281posted on Monday, February 25, 2013 9:24:12 AMby Iscool
Salvation: "I didn’t know you were a Catholic and could make judgments like that. LOL!"

Christians are supposed to judge other Christians when they or their denominations participate in extra/un/Biblical practices.

Having a priest turn into another Christ as you have admitted when describing the Catholic mass is not from God, in fact breaks the rule of there is only one God.

To believe that there are more than one Christs is unscriptural and actually blaspheme.

Could you explain the reason behind this false practice and show how it glorifies the One True God, God the Father, God the Holy Spirt, and the ONE AND ONLY CHRIST: Jesus, the Lord and Saviour of all born again Biblical Christians who have a born again personal relationship with Jesus Christ, the ONLY Christ?

Thanks in advance if crickets don't intervene.

314 posted on 02/26/2013 5:01:12 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Steelfish
This is the kind of sophomoric stuff that those not properly schooled in this subject ventures onto. By your definition, no one needs to be "taught" we can all look at scripture and intepret it for ourselves without guidance just like David Koresh did

Not properly schooled??? What kind of schooling is required to reject the simple words of the scriptures???

I'm a firm believer in Sunday School...I read commentaries...I listen to a great deal of preaching...I read a lot of your Catholic propaganda...How much schooling is required for you???

And of the course all the the great theologians from St. Ambrose, St. Catherine, St. Thomas Aquinas, and the early Church fathers all got it wrong.

They got some right...But not nearly enough to teach someone how to get into the Body of Christ...

And yet you admit that there were many things things that Christ said and did that were not recorded but were handed down as part of the apostolic tradition.

I never said that...Why are you making things up???

But no worries, you don't need to hear all of it because for you "all" of it was written down.

For Christians, 'all' of it was written down that is necessary for our Salvation...That's what the apostle John said...You don't believe the apostle John, eh???

No need for One Church,

There is one church...But there is no One Church...

no need for One Truth,

The only One Truth is Jesus...It is NOT your Catholic religion...And Jesus and the apostles and disciples spoke and wrote many truths...

No need for one Interpretation.

Jesus says nobody gets to make an interpretation...That includes your religion...Understanding the scriptures has to do with believing, not interpreting...

Everyone gets to interpet his/her own way. Wow!

You don't spend much time learning the words that God preserved for his church, do you???

315 posted on 02/26/2013 5:06:23 AM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Seems to be a number of definitions of what exactly makes up the Middle Ages

Middle Ages

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Middle Ages is a period of European history that lasted from the 5th until the 15th centuries. It began with the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, and was followed by the Renaissance and the Age of Discovery. The Middle Ages is the middle period of the traditional division of Western history into Classical, Medieval, and Modern periods. The period is subdivided into the Early Middle Ages, the High Middle Ages, and the Late Middle Ages.

In the Early Middle Ages, depopulation, deurbanization, and barbarian invasions, which began in Late Antiquity, continued. The barbarian invaders formed new kingdoms in the remains of the Western Roman Empire. In the 7th century North Africa and the Middle East, once part of the Eastern Roman Empire (the Byzantine Empire), became an Islamic Empire after conquest by Muhammad's successors. Although there were substantial changes in society and political structures, the break with Antiquity was not complete. The still sizeable Byzantine Empire survived and remained a major power. The empire's law code, the Code of Justinian, was widely admired. In the West, most kingdoms incorporated extant Roman institutions, while monasteries were founded as Christianity expanded in western Europe. The Franks, under the Carolingian dynasty, established an empire covering much of western Europe; the Carolingian Empire endured until the 9th century, when it succumbed to the pressures of invasion — the Vikings from the north; the Magyars from the east, and the Saracens from the south.

During the High Middle Ages, which began after AD 1000, the population of Europe increased greatly as technological and agricultural innovations allowed trade to flourish and crop yields to increase. Manorialism — the organization of peasants into villages that owed rent and labor services to the nobles; and feudalism — the political structure whereby knights and lower-status nobles owed military service to their overlords, in return for the right to rent from lands and manors - were two of the ways society was organized in the High Middle Ages. The Crusades, first preached in 1095, were military attempts, by western European Christians, to regain control of the Middle Eastern Holy Land from the Muslims. Kings became the heads of centralized nation states, reducing crime and violence but making the ideal of a unified Christendom more distant. Intellectual life was marked by scholasticism, a philosophy which emphasized joining faith to reason, and by the founding of universities. The philosophy of Thomas Aquinas, the paintings of Giotto, the poetry of Dante and Chaucer, the travels of Marco Polo, and the architecture of Gothic cathedrals such as Chartres are among the outstanding achievements of this period.

The Late Middle Ages were marked by difficulties and calamities, such as famine, plague, and war, which much diminished the population of western Europe; in the four years from 1347 through 1350, the Black Death killed approximately a third of the European population. Controversy, heresy, and schism within the Church paralleled the warfare between states, the civil war, and peasant revolts occurring in the kingdoms. Cultural and technological developments transformed European society, concluding the Late Middle Ages and beginning the Early Modern period.

316 posted on 02/26/2013 5:19:23 AM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: boatbums
As an example, I was having breakfast with a local priest and other family members and we started talking about our "favorite" verses in the Bible (I think I might have been the one to suggest it, but I don't remember). I said mine was Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast.". The priest looked up and said, "That sounds Protestant to me.".

He was right...That verse is Protestant...The whole of scripture is Protestant...

There are no Protestants in the Catholic religion and there are no Catholics in the Bible...

317 posted on 02/26/2013 5:25:11 AM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: terycarl
Jesus Christ came to earth and just said....if you believe in Me...you're saved....is nonsense

(The Holy Bible, and Jesus say differently. To call it nonsence shows a lack of knowledge of the Bible and speaking from a position that lacks wisdom)
Again, scripture trumps your erroneous proclimation:

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved--Acts 16:31

John 6:47 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hatheverlasting life."--Jesus Christ

John 5:24: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.:--Jesus Christ


318 posted on 02/26/2013 5:39:14 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Salvation; terycarl

**You can’t stuff the millions of baptized Biblical Christians into your Catholic denomination, the Holy Spirit will not allow it.**

The Holy Spirit already allows it!

Nonsence. That was a reply to terycarl, and the Holy Spirit will NOT let her "stuff the millions of baptized Biblical Christians into your Catholic denomination."

Neither can you, and BTW the Holy Spirit does not "stuff" anyone anywhere.

Yes, very good your scripture does come from the "end of Matthew," in fact Matthew 28:19:

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit"
Thanks, that makes my point. No where can you find that people when baptized are automatically instantly "stuffed" into the Catholic organization.

When a person believes on Jesus Chfrist and becomes born again and starts a personal relationship with Jesus...Jesus in the believer, the believer in Jesus...he or she instantly becomes a part of the Church that is Jesus Christ. NOT the Catholic church, which did not even exist back then.

Yes I know that terycarl states that the Catholic Church started on Jesus' birthday, but that is just plain poppycock.

319 posted on 02/26/2013 6:04:59 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: terycarl

Yeah, yeah, we’ve heard it all before. The Pope and the Church NEVER make mistakes... well they never make mistakes on the important things... well they never make mistakes when they are speaking in just a certain way, and that has only happened twice in 2000 years. But... don’t call us out on it when we wrongly claim they never make mistakes!


320 posted on 02/26/2013 6:35:06 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: verga
You are aware that Peter was martyred in Rome, crucified upside down.

That was Simon Peter Magus...

321 posted on 02/26/2013 6:40:01 AM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: Steelfish; Iscool

“But no worries, you don’t need to hear all of it because for you “all” of it was written down”

Iscool never said that. He said that everything that was necessary for our salvation was written down. Do you dispute that? Is there some secret formula for salvation which isn’t included in the New Testament that the Catholic church has kept to itself all these years? Or do you believe that the Gospel of Christ is sufficient to show us the way?


322 posted on 02/26/2013 6:46:10 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Iscool
You are aware that Peter was martyred in Rome, crucified upside down. That was Simon Peter Magus...

Try again. This time try to support your argument with references like I did.

323 posted on 02/26/2013 7:06:39 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: All

Christ cannot be there to change the bread and wine into his Body and Blood as he did at the Last Supper. In his place (alter Christus) is the priest, empowered through his ordination to celebrate the Eucharist in this very special way.


324 posted on 02/26/2013 7:42:55 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: verga

your ‘study’ of history is really underwhelming. googling something I realize is the ‘modern’ manner of education but that is NOT a proper manner to become informed.

Your ‘tradition’ view of Peter’s death has NO first century sourcing. The earliest it appears is some 150 years later anecdotally. Hence no one can claim that it is a generally known fact...because it is not provable factually (except by stories passed on with no supporting evidence) and it is not ‘generally’ accepted.

We KNOW by Paul’s own words that he was in Rome. In his letter to the Romans he talks about the time that he was there. And interestingly, in that very same letter Paul does not acknowledge Peter at all. IF Peter had been in Rome at that time, Paul would have acknowledged him.

Since the New Testament is absolutely silent on what happens with Peter and there is no other evidence that can be referred to Peter’s Roman adventures remain nothing more than stories of interest but unsupportable.


325 posted on 02/26/2013 9:55:36 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

If that makes you feel better than you are welcome to it. as for me i will stick with the truth.


326 posted on 02/26/2013 10:28:39 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: All

I can’t believe this thread is still going.


327 posted on 02/26/2013 11:52:57 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: All
It would have been better for a thread devoted to
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. I will give you they of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
because that is what the Catholic Church bases all of their supremacy claims from anyway.
328 posted on 02/26/2013 11:58:29 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Boogieman
If you would kindly give me the FReepername of one Catholic on FR who has ever said "the Catholic hierarchy never makes mistakes," or "the Pope never makes mistakes" or even "the Church never makes mistakes," I will go after that person hammer and tongs.

I really will.

Name and link or quote.

Thank you.

329 posted on 02/26/2013 2:01:39 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God: the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Tim 3:15)
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To: Iscool
Quite right. As I said, when it comes to historical "ages," there are many ways to slice the salami.

One can at least center the Dark Ages in the West as the period of anarchy between the fall of Rome and the rise of Charlemagne. That would put it roughly between 400 AD and 800 AD. The only source of order in that period --- the lighted pathway through the Dark Ages, if you will --- was the Catholic Church.

That's speaking of course of central and western Europe. The Roman empire continued in the East--- for another 1,000 years! --- until the fall of Constantinople in 1453.

330 posted on 02/26/2013 2:15:18 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God: the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Tim 3:15)
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To: verga

And I will stick with The Truth....


331 posted on 02/26/2013 2:26:58 PM PST by Nifster
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To: BipolarBob

I think you might want to go back and reread Revelation, because not a single one of the 144,000 is a “survivor”. They are specifically martyrs, killed for their witnessing of the Lamb. They are the firstfruits of the resurrection, in a way (Christ was technically THE first fruit), and it is enlightening to compare them to the OT practice of firstfruits.

In the OT, the firstfruits were the best, most flawless part of the crop, which was given (offered, or sacrificed) to God before the rest was harvested. In Revelation, the 144,000 are the most blameless of mankind, who are martyred (sacrificed, and literally given to God) before the God reaps the rest of humanity.


332 posted on 02/26/2013 2:55:02 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Salvation

Jesus does that every time when partaking of communion in Biblical Christian churches.

There are no “other Christ’s” as your Latin phrase indicates.

Only One, Jesus.

Invite the Holy Spirit to help.

The steps taken in the Catholic church are not needed to properly celebrate the Lord’s supper, but I know it is tradition.


333 posted on 02/26/2013 2:56:53 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; terycarl

Well, I was responding on this very thread to terycarl, who has stated:

“That having been said, the church itself, not individual members, is protected from error bu the Holy Spirrit.....the pope, bishops, priests, altar boys, nuns....etc. can err and be sinful.....the Church can’t!!.” in Post #81

So, there is the “Church never makes mistakes”, as it sounds to me.

Also, there is this, in Post #114:

“...in the 2013 year history of the Catholic Church, it has never taught anything in opposition to the teachings of Christ.....NEVER.”

Although he’s since walked that back to say he just meant the couple of teaching that have been pronounced ex cathedra, and not really everything the church has taught, even though that is not what he wrote.


334 posted on 02/26/2013 3:00:00 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Salvation

“Christ cannot be there to change the bread and wine into his Body and Blood as he did at the Last Supper.”

Maybe the Christ you follow can’t do it, but the one I know can do pretty much whatever he pleases, since he is Lord of Heaven and Earth. He’s not imprisoned up in heaven unable to participate, instead, anywhere two or three of His follower gather, He is there too, whether one of those followers is a priest or not.


335 posted on 02/26/2013 3:04:41 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: GeronL
>>>UNDISPUTED: real Christians follow Jesus everything else is something else

I can GAURANTEE the Apostles would have an much easier time recognizing the ecclesiology of most evangelicals than they would the ecclisiology of the RCC. It doesn't mean there are not Christians in the RCC...just like it doesn't mean there are not lost people in the evangelical movement.

But it's a matter of historical fact that the ecclesiology of New Testament Apostolic Christianity is vastly different than that of the modern (or even post 4th century) Catholic Church.

Whether that is right or wrong is a different debate I will not have (because in all my history and decades of debating Catholics on this issue...they have never persuaded me...and I have only persuaded one of them [and then he his family]). It's futile.

336 posted on 02/26/2013 3:04:48 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: Boogieman
because not a single one of the 144,000 is a “survivor”.

I guess it would depend on your definition of a survivor. What did they survive? Life without receiving the Mark of the Beast. That makes them survivors in my book.

337 posted on 02/26/2013 3:07:12 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Boogieman; terycarl
Terycarl: "...the pope, bishops, priests, altar boys, nuns....etc. can err and be sinful.....the Church can’t!!.”

That's true. But it also illustrates the problem with saying "the Church" this and that, without explaining exactly what you mean and how it's defined in this context.

Half the poorly-catechized Catholics --- let alone the other baffled brethren --- don't know whether you mean "the USCCB" or "L'Osservatore Romano" or "papal diplomacy" or "the Vatican's policy" (by which they mean, sometimes,the editorial tilt of L'Osservatore Romano) or "Pope Urban VIII's opinions on heliocentrism" or "the #@%# Diocesan Marriage Tribunal I had to tangle with back in the 1980's."

Best to say something like "the teachings which are de fide doctrines of the Catholic Church are free from error." Those who are actually interested in the truth, will inquire further; those who are actually not, will reach for another intellectual Cheez Doodle and go on to some other topic. Fine. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Tagline's for all to ponder, from Holy Scripture:

338 posted on 02/26/2013 3:27:28 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God: the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Tim 3:15)
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To: Boogieman

Thanks, Boogieman, for taking the time and care to provide the actual quotes, and promptly, too. I appreciate that.


339 posted on 02/26/2013 3:29:32 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God: the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Tim 3:15)
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To: Boogieman; All

Short answer: No. Why? Because Scriptural text can be interpreted a million different ways and so much depends on how Peter, the other Apostles, and their successors understood and applied His teachings. This is most manifest in the Holy Eucharist and the Catholic Mass. Indeed, at the very outset it was the early Church Fathers who decided on what books would be admitted as authentic Gospel and Biblical writings and what ought to be excluded.


340 posted on 02/26/2013 4:47:41 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Nifster
And I will stick with The Truth....

Great Welcome to the Catholic Church!

341 posted on 02/26/2013 5:24:40 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
If you would kindly give me the FReepername of one Catholic on FR who has ever said "the Catholic hierarchy never makes mistakes," or "the Pope never makes mistakes" or even "the Church never makes mistakes," I will go after that person hammer and tongs. I really will. Name and link or quote.

See post #312.

342 posted on 02/26/2013 6:16:27 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
No man, not even the ‘Pope’ can speak without error.

sure he can....God promised it and so far...so good...for 2013 years the pope has never said anything ..Ex Cathedra...that was in error.

343 posted on 02/26/2013 7:03:41 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Syncro
the Pope speaks, just as we all do, and is subject to error There it is in your own words, the Catholic church in error, from the top guy even! Not only subject to, but actually IN ERROR many times over, and over many centuries. probably hundreds of times...However...when he declared that he was speaking officially...he NEVER erred.....NEVER.
344 posted on 02/26/2013 7:08:54 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Syncro
Surely you are not that obtuse. The poster said he studied history You said he did not study history

there is a difference between studying history and learning history....he studied it.

345 posted on 02/26/2013 7:12:59 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl
Not only subject to, but actually IN ERROR many times over, and over many centuries. probably hundreds of times...However...when he declared that he was speaking officially...he NEVER erred.....NEVER.

So, an official ex cathedra declaration is officially declared infallible beforehand? Except for those retroactively declared ex cathedra that occurred prior to 1870 when papal infallability became doctrine?

Is that about right?

How many ex cathedra declarations have there been since 1870, that were officially declared beforehand? And, who retroactively determined what was and was not to be declared ex cathedra prior to 1870?

346 posted on 02/26/2013 7:24:48 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Syncro
Yes I know that terycarl states that the Catholic Church started on Jesus' birthday, but that is just plain poppycock.

why.....if not then, when???and really not at His birth, but when He gave unto Peter the authority to lead His church and gave him the keys to the kingdom of Heaven....works for me!

347 posted on 02/26/2013 7:28:14 PM PST by terycarl
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To: RegulatorCountry
Does Dogma Evolve?

Dogmas of the Catholic Church [Catholic Caucus]
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The Three D's -- Dogma, Doctrine and Discipline [Ecumenical]
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Ineffabilis Deus: 8 December 1854 (Dogma of the Immaculate Conception)

348 posted on 02/26/2013 7:29:21 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool
He was right...That verse is Protestant...The whole of scripture is Protestant... There are no Protestants in the Catholic religion and there are no Catholics in the Bible...

the whole of scripture is protestant.............without the Catholics there would be NO SCRIPTURE....

all the new testament characters are Catholic...when Christ established the church, all who had been baptized immediately became cATHOLIC...there were no Lutherans, Methodists, POresbeterians ...nothing...just Catholics.

349 posted on 02/26/2013 7:41:36 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Syncro
Jesus Christ came to earth and just said....if you believe in Me...you're saved....is nonsense (The Holy Bible, and Jesus say differently. To call it nonsence shows a lack of knowledge of the Bible and speaking from a position that lacks wisdom) Again, scripture trumps your erroneous proclimation:

SATAN believes that Christ is the savior, Hitler probably believed it, PolPot might have believed it, David Koresch believed it, for crying out loud, certainly we have some responsibilty for our redemption...it cannot be as simple as believing one fact....Jesus is the Savior....BINGO!!!!!!!!! I am saved.....please.

350 posted on 02/26/2013 7:57:27 PM PST by terycarl
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