Posted on 03/10/2013 11:58:35 AM PDT by patlin
Colossians 2: He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. 20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath Matthew 12
1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the grain field; and his disciples were hungry, and began to pluck the ears of grain, and to eat.
2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, your disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3But he said unto them, Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him;
4How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?
5Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
AND....John 15:1-17
I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine dresser.
2Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and every branch that bears fruit, he prunes it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me.
5I am the vine, you are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.
6If a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done unto you.
8In this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; so shall you be my disciples.
9As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you: continue you in my love.
10If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
The Greatest Love
12This is my commandment, That you love one another, as I have loved you.
13Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14You are my friends, if you do whatsoever I command you.
15From now on I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his lord does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that you should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
17These things I command you, that you love one another.
Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath....if we abide in him then we abide in HIS Sabbath for-ever...No matter what day of the week it is!
Is there a trend here in spinning the Word? Yes, and it started in the Garden...”Didn’t God say?” satan was the first preacher and is still spinning it today.
Aramaic (The Hebrews’ ancient enemies, and maybe Assyria/Babylon (Beast Power) Is there a trend here?
Ahhh, and Aramaic came from the Chaldee and Chaldee certainly did come out of Babylon. All roads lead back to Babylon.
Catholic Church in Republic of Iraq http://www.gcatholic.org/dioceses/country/IQ.htm
See also: Ancient church awaits restoration in Iraqi desert http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=23665
The word written as ‘law’ there is not law as in the ‘nomos’ of Moses but rather, Paul is referring to the ‘entole’, the statutes and precepts contained in the ‘dogma’, legal decrees of man (see Daniel and the decrees of the kings). One cannot read Eph 2:15 without considering its sister verses in Colossians.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (dogma) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled (stripped) principalities and powers, he made a shew (mockery) of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
G1378 δόγμα dogma Total KJV Occurrences: 5 decrees, 2 Act_16:4, Act_17:7 ordinances, 2 Eph_2:15, Col_2:14 decree, 1 Luk_2:1
G1378 Total LXX Occurrences: 12 δογμα (10) Dan_2:13, Dan_3:10, Dan_3:29, Dan_4:6, Dan_6:8-10 (3), Dan_6:12, Dan_6:15, Dan_6:26 δογματι (2) Dan_3:12, Dan_6:13
G1378 Total GRC Occurrences: 6 δογμα (2) Dan_6:12, Luk_2:1 δογμασιν (2) Eph_2:15, Col_2:14 δογματα (1) Act_16:4 δογματων (1) Act_17:7
The Greeks never used the word ‘dogma’ in reference to God’s Law, NEVER!
I had to laugh when Hoggard finally responded to this, not in private as a good pastor would, but without asking he decided to air his answers to the public first, which thankfully I caught the last part so I could write in a couple of comments. What Hoggard said was that I was defining the word ordinances using Hebrew not Greek, he said I hate the Greek and never us it. Now who is the liar? Who is the false prophet leading people astray? One who shows truth using the Greek text or one who lies to his listeners when he who obviously couldn't see the Greek right in from of him because of the Roman glasses he wears.
That which is left of Matthew is our constant and everlasting Rock that all mankind of all ages can count on. His Words there are our everlasting examples of how His Law and Order sustains the universe and all life that is in it. Paul delighted in the Law, James called it the Law of Liberty so how can something that is delightful be bad to the taste or how can something that brings liberty be bondage?
Joh 14:11 “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, otherwise believe Me because of the works themselves. 12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he shall do also, ..."
If we truly believe in Him we will follow him and walk as He walk, do as He did which was obey the Father, not change or do away with what the Father gave.
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets, ..."
The word 'fulfill' at the end of verse 17 cannot mean to do away with, but rather it means to fill to its fullest so it now operates as it always was meant to operate, to keep us safe, to bring blessing which is eternal life to those who trust in it because they trust in the Father as Abraham trusted in the Father. Those who don't walk as Jesus walked, don't really trust in the Father as Jesus trusted in the Father. It is that simple. Jesus is our example, not our waterboy.
Okay, let's examine Jeremiah,
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
The law not on stone but written on the heart. So where pray tell does He say He will put a "new" law? Where is the prophecy preceding this that declares that God is going to give us a new law?
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
It would seem to me that since every man is still teaching his neighbor and not every man on earth "knoweth" the LORD, then this covenant has not been "fulfilled" yet now has it. So no, Jesus has not completely fulfilled the new covenant. Yes, His blood sealed it up, but that seal has not been broken yet for it to be implemented. That comes at His return when all receive the promise of the new covenant together at one time, not one before the other as so any can boast.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
The bride prepares herself, just as we see rehearsed at every wedding. She endures all the stresses that come with that preparation and then she is rewarded when she comes to stand before her husband-to-be and then the two become one forever and ever. The end told from the beginning just as He promised it would be.
The greatest lie ever told: Gen 3:4 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"
Die from what? What state of being was Adam and Eve in in that day? They were in the state of eternal beings now weren't they?
Deu 32:46 "And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law. 47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life,"
Bear fruit? What is the fruit we are to bear?
Joh 15:6 “If anyone does not stay in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up. And they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 “If you stay in Me, and My Words stay in you, you shall ask whatever you wish, and it shall be done for you.
Joh 15:8 “In this My Father is esteemed, that you bear much fruit, and you shall be My taught ones.
Joh 15:9 “As the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you. Stay in My love.
Joh 15:10 “If you guard My commands, you shall stay in My love,1 even as I have guarded My Father’s commands and stay in His love. Footnote: 1See 14:15.
The Son's commands were the Father's as the Son and the Father are one. The Son said his works were not of him but that they were the works of the Father, so as it was for the Son, if the Son be in us and we in Him, then the Father will do His works through us just as He did His works through the Son.
It's the "Clinton Effect" where it all depends on what the definition of the word is, is.
Joh 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him. 24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”
But in the case of true worship, they change the word "and" in Jn 4:23-24 to mean "of", its all about Jesus now, he does it all for them. but in doing so, what they do not realize is rejecting truth is rejecting Messiah.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the lifeno man cometh unto the Father, but by me: .
Psa 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. 2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. 3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways. 4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Psa 119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.
Psa 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Deu 32:46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law. 47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Grace "AND" Truth, through His grace and our humbling of ourselves as to submit ourselves to His authority as our Maker and Master to whom we are to obey, we are able to receive His Truth in order to do His Truth. The cycle of "life", eternal life as God told us to be through His Gospel message that has been from the beginning.
Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. (see Mt 4:4 & Lk 4:4)
Deu 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, Deu 10:13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good.
Deu 10:16 “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more. 17 “For יהוה your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.
Wow, thanks for that - Watched the Daniel thing and the blood tetrads thing... pretty good info. Now I will go back and do the whole thing.
I wonder if their '48 and '67 failures are due to the barley - 29 days off for the leap year thing... Many of the Hebrew roots folks still don't get the importance of the barley being abib.
Their conclusion is close to mine, but their final conclusion, i think, is not right, as there simply isn't enough time to fulfill all that still needs to happen... or so it would seem to me. I think the blood tetrads are the final warning, and that the next Jubilee will be the time frame for the action. All the signs and portents indicate that we are entering into the end of days.
However, the Jubilee following that one(14 years off) is a grand Jubilee, I believe, and is inside the window predicted by the long count prophecies. IOW, i think they are right in that the signs have to happen BEFORE, but they are way-markers for what will happen in the next (or near) Jubilee.
I think the grand Jubilee has to be figured in. the next one probably marks 6000 years, and is likely a Grand-grand Jubilee (50 fifties). I can't say exactly, and I don't think anyone really can - But I agree that the blood tetrads are a sign that the wise maidens had best trim their wicks and light their lamps. If nothing else, it is a confirmation that it nears, and that those who watch the Holy Days of YHWH are dead-on right.
I have said for some time now that we are very close - If I do not see the coming of Messiah with my own eyes, my children most certainly will. I am 51 and I am expecting to see it happen.
I hope others will go to this teaching...it is so important! 119Ministries.net their 5 part prophecy teaching, especially Daniel Unsealed. It will startle you what the scriptures actually say. John Hagee and Perry Stone are teaching the Blood Moon tetrads but 119’s teaching is more in depth.
Speaking of Abib. A lady at our last bible study said she had a strange dream...very short and I think prophetical. She saw someone throw a loaf of BARLEY bread into a massive tree and it burst into huge flames.
Any thought?
Part of the confusion in Paul's writings is not discerning which “Law” Paul is alluding to. The written commandments (613 mitzvot) were nailed to the cross but the Ten Commandments have been written on the heart of every Believer. They are our marriage covenant and MUST BE obeyed. We are “under” the Royal Law but His Grace covers our transgression till we come to repentance. How many years did we break the 4th Commandment out of ignorance but once you know the law you are bound by it. Depart from me you workers of INIQUITY. Iniquity is to break a known law. Obviously with this statement Yahshua is saying there will be judgment if you break a known law.
Actually they do give their names, they are Steve and Jon and be careful, while their teachings are mostly truth, I have found some grave errors that for some reason, they have been too proud to correct even though they say if we bring it to their attention, using Scripture only, they will correct it.
Um, NO, the word Paul uses is not the word or any of God's commands, they are what pertains to the ‘dogmas’ of man. Mt 22:37-23:3; Mt 5:17-20; Rev 22:18-19
And also, heaven and earth are His witnesses against us, so as long as heaven and earth are still here, not one iota of Moses and the Prophets are to be set aside. He came to fulfill, to fully fuel that which had been waiting for His first coming in order that through the Spirit we now can do as He did, walk in total obedience to the Father.
Mt 5:18 = Dt 30:19 Want to know His love, read and get to know Moses because Moses wrote of Him as He gave it to Moses to give to us. Acts 7:38, this is He who gave Moses the living Oracles of God to give to us!
Who ate lunch with Abraham? http://www.amazon.com/Who-Lunch-Abraham-Asher-Intrater/dp/1935906607 a must read for every bible and prophecy student.
“BARLEY bread into a massive tree and it burst into huge flames.”
Pentecost is the first barley harvest and it also was the date the Holy Spirit fell upon the Apostles and that 3000 people were saved.
The dream seems incomplete....what was the description of the person who threw the bread and while the tree was burning was the tree consumed by the flame or was it undamaged?
The barley bread... was it leavened or unleavened?(puffed up like a yeast bread or was it more like barley crackers, small cakes, or wafers?) Ask the lady from your Bible study for a few more details.
If the tree was consumed into ashes it speaks of a judgment of some type; yet only God can give the full interpretation of dreams. Yet even without interpretation, the dream is so upfront spiritual in nature that one can’t ignore it.
It might be interesting to see what happens about 50 days after this year’s Passover(when Pentecost is supposed to take place)....that would put it late May.
Correction: Pentecost the the first wheat harvest 50 days after the barley Harvest or Abib(the date was historically flexible depending on the ripeness of the first stalks of barley. Sorry about the confusion. Still interested if the bread was leavened or unleavened and if the tree was consumed or not consumed? Being so close to Passover, the the bread being leavened or not leavened might have very ominous significance.
There are 4 possibilities.....1. leavened barley bread causing a flame that does not consume the tree.
2. leavened bread that causes flames that do consume the tree.
3. Unleavened bread that causes flames that do not ultimately consume or damage the tree
and lastly: 4. Unleavened bread that causes flames that utterly reduce the tree to ashes
Thank you...will run this all by her today and try to get some answers to your questions. One thing should be noted, the BARLEY loaf was completely off her radar and she specifically KNEW it was BARLEY. That, she thought was odd.
I don’t know, when I heard it, I just knew it was prophetic and I am very conservative when it comes to Word of Knowledge, dreams, etc. The lady is a very godly woman, sweet in spirit and is called to Intercession so I know the source is good. I’ll get back to you. Thanks.
“the BARLEY loaf was completely off her radar and she specifically KNEW it was BARLEY”
It may be a message meant for someone else...kind of like how the BBC sent coded messages to resistance groups via short wave during WW2. One message held significance for one group, another held significance for another. So who ever has heard or has read of her message, it holds a meaning for someone for whom that message was shaped.
I haven’t liked the notion of Obama going to Israel during pass-over(the first “barley” sheafs or Abid are supposed to be able to be harvested around that time). I fear something dreadful will come out of it though as to what may not immediately be apparent!
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